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kpete

(71,981 posts)
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 11:52 AM Sep 2017

DISGUSTING: How one Florida County Sheriff's office is preparing for Irma

POLK COUNTY SHERIF:


We cannot and we will not have innocent children in a shelter with sexual offenders & predators. Period.

If you go to a shelter for #Irma and you have a warrant, we'll gladly escort you to the safe and secure shelter called the Polk County Jail













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DISGUSTING: How one Florida County Sheriff's office is preparing for Irma (Original Post) kpete Sep 2017 OP
Someone desperately wants to be the next Joe Arpaio. nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #1
Grady Judd does this stuff all the time. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #3
Judd is a real piece of work HAB911 Sep 2017 #14
"camera hog too" Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #16
A good way for more people to get killed gratuitous Sep 2017 #2
Racism? Duppers Sep 2017 #6
I know, right? cwydro Sep 2017 #10
For sure. mia Sep 2017 #12
This tweet doesn't highlight predators. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #17
No, I'm saying that the Sheriff is using sexual predators as a veil gratuitous Sep 2017 #39
have a friend with a kid on the registry...there are no excuses dembotoz Sep 2017 #4
"might cut the sheriff some slack" ??? Not a fucking chance. Iggo Sep 2017 #5
correct you do not check ids but onus is on the offender to avoid the shelter in the first place dembotoz Sep 2017 #13
Would you feel comfortable knowing that a predator might be lurking around your children? mia Sep 2017 #15
Again, this piece of shit just insinuated anyone with a warrant would be arrested. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #24
Thanks for the clarification. mia Sep 2017 #33
If they already served treestar Sep 2017 #109
Here sex offenders are can be sent back for pretty much anything dembotoz Sep 2017 #110
I see. thanks treestar Sep 2017 #112
Should known sexual predators sarisataka Sep 2017 #7
Yeah, I don't have much of a problem with this. cwydro Sep 2017 #8
Protecting us from speeders and jaywalkers whose tickets have gone into warrant as well. LanternWaste Sep 2017 #27
If I have a petty warrant sarisataka Sep 2017 #36
They really need to stop pretending they care about children. Initech Sep 2017 #9
Trump's a piece of shit, but he's not a pedophile. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2017 #80
Well, he does joke about it. Initech Sep 2017 #84
The poster didn't call him a pedophile but since you brought it up... .99center Sep 2017 #97
This is WITH a warrant janterry Sep 2017 #11
A warrant could be for anything as innocuous as failing to pay a ticket. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #18
Yeah, criminals are just warm, fuzzy sweethearts. cwydro Sep 2017 #20
Well, I'm glad you are okay with people possibly dying for misdemenor offenses. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #22
Yeah, right. That's what I said. Sheesh. cwydro Sep 2017 #29
That's what you're implying. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #30
Yeah, "buddy." cwydro Sep 2017 #49
Being a bad speller is better than having a broken conscience Bradical79 Sep 2017 #55
Wow, having a bad day dude? cwydro Sep 2017 #60
You're a smooth smoothie, ya know? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #63
Your opinion is sick Bradical79 Sep 2017 #64
Lmao. cwydro Sep 2017 #67
What if someone is too poor to pay these exorbitant court costs and fees? Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2017 #57
Uh huh. cwydro Sep 2017 #62
Look, I'm able to pay my fines and tickets. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2017 #65
I think someone just likes to argue. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #71
It's exactly what you're saying Bradical79 Sep 2017 #42
I'm not sure what "sime" means. cwydro Sep 2017 #48
Yes, I'm saying you're dishonest like Trump Bradical79 Sep 2017 #51
You are hilarious. cwydro Sep 2017 #54
You're dishonesty and callousness is not so amusing Bradical79 Sep 2017 #56
OK, you've decided to have a mad-on at me. cwydro Sep 2017 #66
Glad you are amused Bradical79 Sep 2017 #70
No, the correct thing to do when you disagree with another DUer..... Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #61
If there is a warrant out leftynyc Sep 2017 #19
Not to split hairs or ignore the greater issue, but the sheriff insinuated.... Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #23
So you're AGAINST leftynyc Sep 2017 #26
It's a gross abuse of power to threaten citizens during a crisis. Period. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #28
And I think giving them leftynyc Sep 2017 #32
Shelters should have a law enforcement presence just for practical reasons. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #35
Oh please leftynyc Sep 2017 #38
So having police at the doors of a hurricane shelter checking papers for warrants is what then? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #40
I think the guy is an asshole leftynyc Sep 2017 #74
But that's not what he said. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #76
I think the sheriff should make it clear that he is after sex offenders (or maybe those with riversedge Sep 2017 #77
Yup. cwydro Sep 2017 #50
There have been rapes and sexual assaults and other crime at shelters before Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #21
Why does this Sheriff have so many unapprehended predators? leftstreet Sep 2017 #25
Innocent until proven guilty Not Ruth Sep 2017 #31
So, we have a girl who is 17 and has speeding tickets Doreen Sep 2017 #34
How does a 17 year old girl get so many tickets? cwydro Sep 2017 #52
If this were limited to just sex offenders with warrants out, then I would be fine with it. FLPanhandle Sep 2017 #37
Problem is, that would still necessitate police officers at the door checking papers. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #41
Also wouldn't this require an ID check? -nt Bradical79 Sep 2017 #45
Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #43
So explain it to an idiot sarisataka Sep 2017 #73
To everyone ok with checking all people showing up for shelter in a storm for outstanding warrants TeamPooka Sep 2017 #44
Personally, I think they don't care Bradical79 Sep 2017 #46
Simple sarisataka Sep 2017 #72
That's a stretch. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #82
If you selectively look sarisataka Sep 2017 #86
Well, to start Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #79
Manning a hurricane shelter isn't akin to pulling someone over for speeding. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #81
It's not as clear cut as that Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #89
But how many officers can just readily identify a person with a warrant alone? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #92
That's pretty much what I said above Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #95
nice that you skipped the whole probable cause part of encountering citizens TeamPooka Sep 2017 #102
Florida requires registration on sex offender lists for consensual sex between teenagers NutmegYankee Sep 2017 #47
We have the same policy Sailor65x1 Sep 2017 #53
Yes, THAT makes sense Bradical79 Sep 2017 #59
We try hard to get IDs Sailor65x1 Sep 2017 #69
So you prevent people who have been CONVICTED Mariana Sep 2017 #75
That sounds like a good way of handling it nini Sep 2017 #91
Their #1 priority should be saving lives. liberalmuse Sep 2017 #58
ACLU of Florida responds: demmiblue Sep 2017 #68
Thank You ACLU obnoxiousdrunk Sep 2017 #78
I don't have a problem with that nini Sep 2017 #83
Words matter. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #85
I draw the line with sexual predators nini Sep 2017 #87
Yes, but how do you determine someone is a sexual predator? nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #88
You check people in nini Sep 2017 #90
With IDs? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #93
Check post 91 nini Sep 2017 #94
Okay, but that's not what this sheriff was saying. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #96
You do realize there are a lot of non-predators on sex offender lists right? NutmegYankee Sep 2017 #98
Yes I know that nini Sep 2017 #99
That distinction isn't made. NutmegYankee Sep 2017 #100
Tier 2 and above usually have rules to not come within so many feet of minors etc.. nini Sep 2017 #101
I know for a fact that Florida doesn't make the distinction. NutmegYankee Sep 2017 #103
Am I reading incorrectly sarisataka Sep 2017 #104
It's a statutory rape. NutmegYankee Sep 2017 #105
Okay that makes sense, sarisataka Sep 2017 #106
Yeah, I updated my prior post. Romeo and Juliet laws fix it now, but the conviction remains. NutmegYankee Sep 2017 #107
There is no reason to be treestar Sep 2017 #108
This lazy-ass sheriff can't be bothered Mariana Sep 2017 #111
 

Weekend Warrior

(1,301 posts)
3. Grady Judd does this stuff all the time.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 12:00 PM
Sep 2017

People in the area seem to find it amusing. We are talking Polk County.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
2. A good way for more people to get killed
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 11:59 AM
Sep 2017

Well played, Sheriff Nitwit. The saddest thing is that he probably thinks he's being oh-so-clever by veiling his racism like that.

 

Weekend Warrior

(1,301 posts)
17. This tweet doesn't highlight predators.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 12:38 PM
Sep 2017

If you go to a shelter for #Irma and you have a warrant, we'll gladly escort you to the safe and secure shelter called the Polk County Jail




That's what I take issue with.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
39. No, I'm saying that the Sheriff is using sexual predators as a veil
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 01:23 PM
Sep 2017

Nobody likes the idea of sexual predators sharing shelter space with children. My reading is that the Polk County Sheriff is using that as his screen to threaten anyone who might have an outstanding warrant (valid or invalid) to avoid going to a shelter, because they will get locked up.

Who do you supposed is more likely and less likely to have a background check run on them when they show up at a shelter run by the Polk County Sheriff? Under the rubric of protecting children from sexual predators, what is the real-world expected outcome of the sheriff's men running checks? Please choose from the following:

A. Sex offenders who are on the list will be locked up, whether there's a warrant out on them or not, for the crime of seeking shelter from the hurricane.

B. Sex offenders who are on the list will avoid seeking shelter, fearful that even if they don't have a warrant out for them they'll be locked up, and will be exposed to the hurricane.

C. Individuals who have warrants out for their arrest, whether they know about the warrant or not, will be locked up when they seek shelter.

D. Individuals who are worried that they might have a warrant out on them will not seek shelter because they don't want to be tossed in jail, and will instead be exposed to the hurricane.

If you don't see a racist lurking behind the Sheriff's tweets, you haven't been paying very close attention for the last 20 years or so.

dembotoz

(16,799 posts)
4. have a friend with a kid on the registry...there are no excuses
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 12:07 PM
Sep 2017

if you are found in violation they go after you big time...period

might cut the sheriff some slack

better to say disaster coming come here and comply with your restrictions than to say.
You went into an off limits shelter to survive...that does not matter.....off to prison for you

Iggo

(47,548 posts)
5. "might cut the sheriff some slack" ??? Not a fucking chance.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 12:12 PM
Sep 2017

You don't check ID's to get into a hurricane shelter.

dembotoz

(16,799 posts)
13. correct you do not check ids but onus is on the offender to avoid the shelter in the first place
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 12:33 PM
Sep 2017

to avoid big time trouble go to the jail and not the shelter

mia

(8,360 posts)
15. Would you feel comfortable knowing that a predator might be lurking around your children?
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 12:35 PM
Sep 2017

I wouldn't be able to fall asleep. Besides, buildings that house jails are probably a whole lot sturdier than school cafeterias.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
24. Again, this piece of shit just insinuated anyone with a warrant would be arrested.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 12:47 PM
Sep 2017

Not just those with a sex offense background.

And hence, an unpaid traffic ticket becomes a potential death sentence.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
109. If they already served
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 07:01 PM
Sep 2017

the sentence, then they cannot be put in prison.

Also they are identified. So everyone in the shelter knows who they are.

dembotoz

(16,799 posts)
110. Here sex offenders are can be sent back for pretty much anything
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 09:27 PM
Sep 2017

Sorta like eternal probation with restrictions galore

treestar

(82,383 posts)
112. I see. thanks
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 10:55 AM
Sep 2017

for the info. I wonder that they should use an emergency like this and hopefully it would not slow down the processing of others while they figure out what to do with these offenders. I guess in the end they are not that numerous.

sarisataka

(18,577 posts)
7. Should known sexual predators
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 12:18 PM
Sep 2017

be housed with children at shelters?

IMO that is a recipe for disaster. I cannot fault the sheriff for wanting to protect kids.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
8. Yeah, I don't have much of a problem with this.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 12:22 PM
Sep 2017

Remember the crimes that took place inside the dome during Katrina?

You could not pay me to go into a shelter, but that's just because I cannot stand being crowded in with other people. But if I DID go, I'd not relish the idea of criminals in there with vulnerable elderly, kids, etc.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
27. Protecting us from speeders and jaywalkers whose tickets have gone into warrant as well.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 12:52 PM
Sep 2017

Protecting us from speeders and jaywalkers whose tickets have gone into warrant as well. And many, many more of those exist than predators, and will be prevented from safe shelter.

Javert gets a woody.

"I cannot fault the sheriff for wanting to protect kids..."
I think it''s adorable that you believe it as such.

sarisataka

(18,577 posts)
36. If I have a petty warrant
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 01:08 PM
Sep 2017

And choose to avoid a shelter, risking my life, because I don't want to spend a couple days in jail that is on me.

A child should not have to fear being molested or raped in a shelter.

Initech

(100,061 posts)
9. They really need to stop pretending they care about children.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 12:22 PM
Sep 2017

They endorsed a president who is a noted sex offender and doesn't want 800,000 of them here, so why would they care if they share a room with sexual predators?

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,915 posts)
80. Trump's a piece of shit, but he's not a pedophile.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 04:06 PM
Sep 2017

One can both support Trump and want to protect children from molesters.

.99center

(1,237 posts)
97. The poster didn't call him a pedophile but since you brought it up...
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 05:14 PM
Sep 2017

Trump bragged to Stern about walking in on girls that were as young as 15 and told Stern that "it's true" he's a sexual predator.
https://www.mediaite.com/online/watch-when-howard-stern-accused-trump-of-being-a-sexual-predator-in-2006-he-said-its-true/



 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
11. This is WITH a warrant
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 12:29 PM
Sep 2017

I think the laws regarding sex offenders are horrific (for many). However, these folks have an active warrant. What are the police supposed to do?

In Florida, there is shelter for sex offenders, however..........it's not what most folks want: the prisons can shelter community based sex offenders during the hurricane. When the emergency is over, they can leave.

Frankly, we all know that some folks get caught up on the registry who aren't a threat to anyone. The folks who are scary are predators - and I wouldn't want to house children near them, either.

This issue comes up, btw, when folks are released from prison. In FL., many folks are released to shelters.........and many won't (can't, legally) take anyone with sex charges (period). It makes stepping down from prison successfully very difficult.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
18. A warrant could be for anything as innocuous as failing to pay a ticket.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 12:38 PM
Sep 2017

Which really doesn't justify putting life and limb at risk.

There's a time and place for everything. And this is definitely not the time.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
20. Yeah, criminals are just warm, fuzzy sweethearts.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 12:41 PM
Sep 2017

Misunderstood, poor babies.

Somehow I never had a problem with paying tickets when I got them.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
49. Yeah, "buddy."
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:25 PM
Sep 2017

They sure do.

Learn how to spell them.

I don't want criminals in a shelter with vulnerable people, but you keep on with this.

Silliness.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
55. Being a bad speller is better than having a broken conscience
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:32 PM
Sep 2017

It's clear from your posts you care more about typos than innocents being hurt.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
60. Wow, having a bad day dude?
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:36 PM
Sep 2017

Teeth hurt? Shoes too tight?

Awesome attacks for a different opinion than yours. This is a DISCUSSION forum. Look up the word. A few pages before "sime"

Might wanna take a little break from the puter.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
64. Your opinion is sick
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:41 PM
Sep 2017

Some opinions like yours are simply disgusting. You don't deserve any kind of respecful discussion. Again, you can't do anything but harp on spelling. Show more concern for human beings lives than typos, and maybe I will have a better day and calm down a bit.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
67. Lmao.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:46 PM
Sep 2017

You have a good day BRAD, and don't let different opinions from yours get your knickers so twisted.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
57. What if someone is too poor to pay these exorbitant court costs and fees?
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:34 PM
Sep 2017

There are plenty of "criminals" out there for petty misdemeanors or failure to appears who just can't afford it. Once you're trapped in the system, for some, it's extremely difficult to get out. It's a vicious cycle.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
62. Uh huh.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:39 PM
Sep 2017

You let your kids and parents hang out with criminals if you want.

I'll keep on being law-abiding. And so are the people I know,

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
65. Look, I'm able to pay my fines and tickets.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:43 PM
Sep 2017

However, I don't harbor any illusions that the poor are targeted with all of these justice system rip-offs. Once they get caught up in the cycle, it's extremely difficult to get out of it.

If you'd like to get over yourself for just a few minutes, I can provide links to essays on progressive websites that describe the vicious cycle they are trapped up in. Or you could just dismiss it out of hand and keep feeling superior because since they don't pay their tickets on time like you do, you pristine law-abiding citizen, they deserve death!

I mean really - you could just think about it for a few more seconds instead of knee-jerkingly think everyone is like you or has the same amount of money or social status/economic status.

Jeez - can't believe I have to explicitly advocate for the poor on a progressive website.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
48. I'm not sure what "sime" means.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:24 PM
Sep 2017

Are you comparing me to Trump?

Is that what you do when you disagree with another DUer?

Very nice.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
51. Yes, I'm saying you're dishonest like Trump
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:28 PM
Sep 2017

You say one thing, then claim you didn't. It's what Trump does, and it's what you do. Congrats on being unable to decipher a simple typo though.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
54. You are hilarious.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:32 PM
Sep 2017

Seriously.

I don't want criminals in a shelter with vulnerable people.

Your ad hominem attacks are very amusing.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
56. You're dishonesty and callousness is not so amusing
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:34 PM
Sep 2017

Nice that you are having a laugh at human suffering though.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
66. OK, you've decided to have a mad-on at me.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:44 PM
Sep 2017

Obviously something going on with you. I don't put people on ignore, but I will not engage with you further.

I find you to be extremely unable to discuss things without insults and so on. I've been here much longer than you; I've had disagreements with many long time DUers who do not stoop to this kind of nonsense. You have a good evening BRAD.

Still, you have given me a good chuckle, and I thank you for that.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
70. Glad you are amused
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:54 PM
Sep 2017

People will die and be hurt, but your amusement and spelling ability is what's important. Might as well ignore me. I'm going to hate you regardless.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
61. No, the correct thing to do when you disagree with another DUer.....
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:37 PM
Sep 2017

...is to zing him on how he spelt "misdemeanor" and then claim victory.

Duh.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
19. If there is a warrant out
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 12:39 PM
Sep 2017

for a sex offender, I have zero problem with them making sure he/she doesn't get around my children. Or me.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
23. Not to split hairs or ignore the greater issue, but the sheriff insinuated....
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 12:46 PM
Sep 2017

....anyone with a warrant could be arrested if they go to a shelter. Not just those with sex offenses in their background.

Honestly, I can't believe some people on DU are trying to justify this piece of shit's behavior.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
26. So you're AGAINST
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 12:50 PM
Sep 2017

making sure criminals with warrants out for their arrests don't get around everyone else? Fuck this sheriff - he's an asshole - that doesn't mean I have such an open mind my brains have fallen out.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
28. It's a gross abuse of power to threaten citizens during a crisis. Period.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 12:53 PM
Sep 2017

If someone has a warrant, goes to a shelter, starts acting out and a police officer on duty detains him and determines he has a warrant, yeah, bring him in.

But telling anyone who might possibly have a warrant for so little as a misdemeanor offense to stay away from a shelter or risk arrest--or if someone is undocumented and is concerned that they'll be checking papers at the door--is horrific and I won't excuse that sort of behavior from a public official.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
35. Shelters should have a law enforcement presence just for practical reasons.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 01:08 PM
Sep 2017

But the whole "papers please" at the door is downright fascism.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
38. Oh please
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 01:12 PM
Sep 2017

Stop with the drama queen bullshit. It's not fascism and frankly I'm sick and tired of people throwing words around to such an extent, they lose all meaning. Warrants don't go out for nothing - they're issued when you either don't show up when you're supposed to or are suspected of committing a crime and they have enough proof to arrest you. Why have a police presence and NOT check if there are already criminals in the house?

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
40. So having police at the doors of a hurricane shelter checking papers for warrants is what then?
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 01:44 PM
Sep 2017

This isn't a traffic stop where a police officer runs a license. This is an emergency shelter during a natural disaster. It's wholly inappropriate.

But if you want to defend this Arpaio-esqe piece of shit and his tactics, that's your prerogative.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
74. I think the guy is an asshole
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 03:43 PM
Sep 2017

That's the SECOND time I've posted that since your outrageous outrage obviously didn't hear me the first time. He wants to keep sex offenders away from children and I have personal reasons for being VERY in favor of that. This conversation is over.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
76. But that's not what he said.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 03:48 PM
Sep 2017

He wants to arrest anyone with a warrant who comes into a hurricane shelter.

That's what he said. And that's what people will hear.

riversedge

(70,186 posts)
77. I think the sheriff should make it clear that he is after sex offenders (or maybe those with
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 03:52 PM
Sep 2017

violent crimes warrants) will be apprehended.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
21. There have been rapes and sexual assaults and other crime at shelters before
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 12:41 PM
Sep 2017

You have a mass gathering of vulnerable people. Predators will take advantage of that.

It happened after Katrina, although reports initially greatly exaggerated the scope of it in some cases there were enough confirmed cases, and many more eyewitness accounts coming from survivors that in the chaos never got officially reported.

The jail is still a bible safe shelter. Taking offenders there for the duration is providing them a safe space without endangering others.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
34. So, we have a girl who is 17 and has speeding tickets
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 01:07 PM
Sep 2017

that are unpaid and there is a warrant for her and now he is going to put her in a jail with sex offenders? Wow, that's the solution.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
52. How does a 17 year old girl get so many tickets?
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:30 PM
Sep 2017

You get one and you are supposed to learn.

Not to mention, why not pay for them? Irresponsibility, it's a real thing.

Hope you're not talking about someone related to you.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
37. If this were limited to just sex offenders with warrants out, then I would be fine with it.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 01:11 PM
Sep 2017

Sounds like he is using sex offenders as an example of a broader "any kind of warrant" approach though.

Not cool.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
41. Problem is, that would still necessitate police officers at the door checking papers.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 01:48 PM
Sep 2017

And that sends a certain message of intimidation to anyone trying to get in to a place that was designed as a shelter from a storm.

Police presence in shelters is certainly wise. But paper checking at the gates is creeping fascism.

Response to kpete (Original post)

sarisataka

(18,577 posts)
73. So explain it to an idiot
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 03:35 PM
Sep 2017

Who recalls the the sex assaults post Katrina in shelters.

What should be done to protect children and other vulnerable people in shelters from predators? The children won't have to go fuck themselves, Chester will do it.

TeamPooka

(24,220 posts)
44. To everyone ok with checking all people showing up for shelter in a storm for outstanding warrants
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:14 PM
Sep 2017

is it also okay to check and MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS A CITIZEN AS THEY SHOW UP TOO and then arresting the undocumented?

Please explain the difference to me.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
46. Personally, I think they don't care
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:17 PM
Sep 2017

Better to hurt innocents if it means getting someone with outstanding parking tickets off the streets.

sarisataka

(18,577 posts)
72. Simple
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 03:22 PM
Sep 2017

People with warrants are potentially dangerous to those around them

Undocumented persons are not dangerous

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
82. That's a stretch.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 04:22 PM
Sep 2017

I'm not saying that not paying a traffic ticket is the right thing to do, but I don't think that makes them more inherently dangerous than any other random person. And yet that will earn someone a warrant.

That makes no sense.

sarisataka

(18,577 posts)
86. If you selectively look
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 04:42 PM
Sep 2017

At the most minimal warrants you are correct. I don't think they are the ones who will have to worry unless the county lockup can hold a few thousand people with trivial warrants.

Those with felony warrants are often a different story and pose a risk to the vulnerable.

What makes no sense to me is the callous disregard for safety that ignoring the risk of violent predators poses. A shelter should be a place of safety, not trading one risk for another.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
79. Well, to start
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 04:04 PM
Sep 2017

A local sheriff has a legal obligation to arrest anyone with a warrant. It's an order from the court that has to be complied with.

When I was a deputy there was a lot of discretion I had on matters if I arrested, have a warning, or ignored. But if a person has a warrant that was a hard and fast thing that I had to take them into custody. No ifs, ands, buts or excuses. A warrant is an order from the court that an officer is legally obligated to act on, and failure to is a criminal act by the officer.

And most of the arrests I made for warrants were simple Failure to Appear warrants where people had tickets or court dates for very minor things who did the absolute stupidest thing possible and just blew off their court date. I never for the life of me could comprehend why so many people just blew off cour dates knowing 100% that doing so made things 100000 times worse. I've seen people end up in jail over a ticket for an expired tag because they didn't pay the ticket, didn't show up in court to contest it or ask for a payment plan if they couldn't pay, the ignored the certified letter telling them if they didn't make contact with the clerk of court in 10 days they would have a warrant issued. Hell, the clerk would make payment arrangements and take $10 a week as long as you did something they wouldn't issue a warrant. But they just ignored it and ended up arrested.

Citizenship ship status a local agency has no legal obligtion and in most cases no legal power to enforce at all.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
81. Manning a hurricane shelter isn't akin to pulling someone over for speeding.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 04:21 PM
Sep 2017

I'm sure a police officer probably walks by multiple people every day who might have an outstanding warrant for whatever, but merely being in close proximity to that person doesn't give them the right to interrogate them to see if they have any outstanding warrants.

Police officers at hurricane shelters should be there to ensure the general safety of the people in the shelter, but that doesn't give them the right to inquire as to warrants without having some legal reason to stop them.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
89. It's not as clear cut as that
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 04:52 PM
Sep 2017

While running every person who walks in would be excessive (but seemingly legal), I doubt they would do that anyway because it would take forever and slow things down.

However, if an officer sees a person there they know to have active warrants they have that legal mandate to take them into custody.

While the routine FTA's for small stuff are things that they likely won't know the people by sight, your more violent or high level offenders are more than likely known to them by sight, and they have a good idea who is likely to have a warrant.

If they are in a shelter and someone comes in who they know has an active warrant because his picture has been out on the daily BOLO list they still have the same obligation as they would if they saw that person out on he street.

I have to point out that the idea of having warrants because you ignored the law and you ignored the system and said "fuck you" to the authority of lawful government and then you run to take refuge in a government run shelter your every bit as hypocritical as a person who refuses to pay taxes and runs to a government run shelter. Part of the social contract is as citizens obeying the law and complying with our system of governance- and if you have a warrant and you are knowingly elduding and not getting that taken care of you are saying you don't give a damm about government and its rules. To then demand refuge from that same body and society at large you thumbed your nose at is deeply hypocritical.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
92. But how many officers can just readily identify a person with a warrant alone?
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 04:59 PM
Sep 2017

I understand with high profile suspects but I doubt an officer will memorize the faces of everyone who missed payment on a traffic ticket.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
95. That's pretty much what I said above
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 05:06 PM
Sep 2017

They probably won't spot those routine FTA's with a warrant for something minor- and like I said while people are acting like they will be running everybody at the door that would be pretty much impossible.

The old saying, and it's true, is that 5% of your population are 95% of your problems. And once an officer has worked in an area a while they know those people.

Hell, I've been off the job more than a decade and I can still rattle off dozens of names and would recognize a higher percentage than that on sight. When you have worked an area or a neighborhood for a while you know who the predators are, who the troublemakers are, who has warrants or is likely to. You know who is a problem only when they are drunk, who only did stupid things when they are around other people, etc.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
47. Florida requires registration on sex offender lists for consensual sex between teenagers
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:17 PM
Sep 2017

Good to know they need to die to satisfy some peoples urge for shame.


 

Sailor65x1

(554 posts)
53. We have the same policy
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:32 PM
Sep 2017

At our Red Cross shelters. We never allow them in with kids. Local authority provides us with a list of photos and information to watch for.

On edit: we don't look at things like warrants, only the local registered list.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
59. Yes, THAT makes sense
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:36 PM
Sep 2017

It's a far better solution than warrant checks. Though what happens if there's no id? What's the process for checks?

 

Sailor65x1

(554 posts)
69. We try hard to get IDs
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:49 PM
Sep 2017

In the event we can't get an ID, one of us (There are always at least 2 of us) will scan the pictures that the local police provided and watch for a similarity.

In my years doing this I've only had two occasions where I had to refuse entry. In only one of those cases did I have to call the police over to explain. There was no incident and the man went somewhere else.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
75. So you prevent people who have been CONVICTED
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 03:43 PM
Sep 2017

of that particular kind of offense from entering your shelters.

They don't give you a list of people with outstanding warrants for anything and everything. So it isn't the same policy at all, it is very different.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
58. Their #1 priority should be saving lives.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:36 PM
Sep 2017

Protecting people from the extreme elements. The people they are itching to "bust" or exclude are such an incredible minority that they are making themselves look like overzealous asshats. This isn't necessary at all. Stop this nonsense and just get a penis pump instead. Maybe if they did their jobs outside of a natural disaster they wouldn't have to posture about doing t now. The truth is, they want to exclude people with minor warrants and are crying "pedophile" in order to justify this to the public.

nini

(16,672 posts)
83. I don't have a problem with that
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 04:25 PM
Sep 2017

His comment about the warrant was a reply to the original tweet about sexual offenders. I get that - if indeed that person is already on a list etc.

I do NOT think just any old warrant like not paying a traffic violation is ok though.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
85. Words matter.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 04:30 PM
Sep 2017

Even if that was his intention to refer to just sex offenders, he insinuated that he'd arrest anyone with an outstanding warrant who turns up at a shelter.

And even if it were limited to only sex offenders, exactly how would they determine who is and isn't a sex offender without some sort of fascist style paper check at the door, which would only further intimidate the public.

There's no excusing this shithead.

nini

(16,672 posts)
90. You check people in
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 04:54 PM
Sep 2017

Maybe if I didn't know someone who's daughter raped and murdered by someone I'd be less forgiving.

fuck it. It's not too much to ask if kids get a bit of protection in already chaotic situation.

I have zero fucks to give over those people. ZERO.

bye

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
93. With IDs?
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 05:01 PM
Sep 2017

Just to be clear, you are saying that in order to get into a hurricane shelter, you have to have an ID on you?

Am I correct as to what your position is?

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
96. Okay, but that's not what this sheriff was saying.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 05:07 PM
Sep 2017

This sheriff was saying anyone with a warrant could be subject to arrest at a shelter.

And furthermore, the type of situation that you were referring to in Post 91 would probably find itself under legal scrutiny, but that's beside the point.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
98. You do realize there are a lot of non-predators on sex offender lists right?
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 05:15 PM
Sep 2017

Hell, in a bunch of states urination in public gets you on that list. In Florida, it's not uncommon to find statutory rape listed, which has no danger. There were stories of married family men having to move their families because of the list.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
100. That distinction isn't made.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 05:26 PM
Sep 2017

I oppose the lists mainly because if you pose that much danger to society, you belong in jail in the first place. The lists are just an excuse for extra-judicial punishment.

nini

(16,672 posts)
101. Tier 2 and above usually have rules to not come within so many feet of minors etc..
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 05:34 PM
Sep 2017


I'm not going to argue about those pieces of shit all day.


NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
103. I know for a fact that Florida doesn't make the distinction.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:03 PM
Sep 2017

Last edited Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:51 PM - Edit history (1)

Happily married couples for decades were forced to move because of a statutory rape conviction two decades before, and the husband had been convicted of raping his current wife (he was convicted of statutory rape because he turned 18, but her birthday was a month later). Nothing POS about that guy at all - just her parents.

sarisataka

(18,577 posts)
104. Am I reading incorrectly
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:36 PM
Sep 2017

Or did you just say there's nothing wrong with a guy convicted of raping his wife?

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
105. It's a statutory rape.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:49 PM
Sep 2017

A teenager got convicted because he (the male) went past his 18th birthday, and the mother of the girl used that to go after him. The relationship was legal just days prior, but because her birthday was not for another month the ages were spread apart such that is was considered statutory rape. All sex was consensual. The couple later married and now have children and are still happily married.

It made news when the 1000 foot restrictions were imposed on him decades after the conviction and it caused disruption to their lives.

sarisataka

(18,577 posts)
106. Okay that makes sense,
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:53 PM
Sep 2017

I had a neighbor who went through a similar situation. He was 15 and the girl was 14 but after celebrating his 16th birthday her parents pressed charges. This was before any Romeo and Juliet laws were in place. They waited until he was sixteen because they knew at ages 15 and 14 he would get probation. With the ages 16 and 14 they could have him serve time in juvie. It took him a long time even with the girl's backing to finally get the conviction expunged from his record many years later.

I am all for the sex offender Registries it is with the caveat that some common sense should be applied.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
107. Yeah, I updated my prior post. Romeo and Juliet laws fix it now, but the conviction remains.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:58 PM
Sep 2017

In the case of a Florida couple, it made national news years ago.

I didn't realize, but Florida may have fixed it since: http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/romeo-and-juliet-law-offers-a-way-off-floridas-sex-offender-list/1191974

treestar

(82,383 posts)
108. There is no reason to be
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:59 PM
Sep 2017

dealing with anything else during a hurricane.

A lot of people will be there to look after children.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
111. This lazy-ass sheriff can't be bothered
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 11:04 PM
Sep 2017

to go out and arrest people who are wanted on sex crime warrants? He sits on his ass waiting around for a natural disaster to happen and hopes they'll show up at shelters and he can pick them up that way? Actually, he doesn't even want to do that. He wants them to stay away from the shelters so he doesn't have to deal with them - that's why he warned them not to come!

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