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TomCADem

(17,380 posts)
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 10:29 PM Sep 2017

Politico:President Trumps insults are pushing the Mexican political system into dangerous territory

This shows that Trump/Bannon's strategy is working...if the goal is to push the US/Mexico relations in the direction of Israel/Palestinian relations. If Trump/Bannon are successful in increasing tension with Mexico along with ripping up NAFTA perhaps with help from progressives like Bernie Sanders, then perhaps radicalization in Mexico will occur among the poor and desperate who will no longer see the U.S. as a land of opportunity, but as a racist oppressor.

You might see this as a bad thing, but just as right wingers in Israel were able to consolidate power by oppressing and demonizing Palestinians and occupying their lands, perhaps an ongoing low level guerrilla war between the U.S. and Mexico might help Republicans further consolidate their power in the U.S. You know that Trump must be gleefully waiting for some act of violence to raise the flag of terrorism. Unless, of course, it is a Neo-Nazi in which case Trump will say that many sides are at fault.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/11/donald-trump-us-mexico-relations-215594

Since the signing of the North American Free Trade Agreement, this anti-U.S. sentiment has faded—gone dormant, even. Mexicans have grown used to trading with the U.S., and the Mexican government has managed to convince its people that cooperation with the U.S. is better than antagonism. Mexicans have gone along, reluctantly. Anyone who knows a Mexican national will see that, beyond all the niceties and friendship between neighbors, there’s always a lingering suspicion of the United States.

Fast forward to two thousand and Trump. Mexico now wakes up to his tweets and humiliations. He doesn’t even offer the usual routine condolences after an earthquake kills nearly 100 Mexicans, even though we offered that and more after Hurricane Harvey devastated Houston. All our old suspicions are confirmed: The United States is not a friend. The United States is out to get us, again. We’re back to where we were before NAFTA.

* * *

he list goes on: health, environment, transportation, water, disease control. No two countries in the world cooperate in as many areas as Mexico and the United States. Like a clean room, this extensive day-to-day cooperation is not noticed; it is taken for granted until something breaks down and the mess starts to show.

Mexico and the United States are at a breaking point. The political pressures in Mexico pushing our president away from the U.S. are becoming impossible to control. Trump’s tweets, which in Washington are fodder for a good laugh, are no joke in Mexico. We’ve been a strong ally and a good neighbor to the United States. With his utter recklessness and racism, Trump may be bringing an end to all that.
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Politico:President Trumps insults are pushing the Mexican political system into dangerous territory (Original Post) TomCADem Sep 2017 OP
That's a shame. Hoyt Sep 2017 #1
Trump doesn't plan greeny2323 Sep 2017 #2
Nice Bernie dig. If I recall Hillary called NAFTA flawed when she ran for Senate and voted against CentralMass Sep 2017 #3
Which Is Why People Of Color Need to Hold ALL Demorats/Progressives Accountable... TomCADem Sep 2017 #8
Bullshit. Bernie has not scapegoated minorities. Every one of his rallies, CentralMass Sep 2017 #11
Viva Max! struggle4progress Sep 2017 #4
The linked article doesn't mention Bernie Sanders left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #5
Was the attack on Sanders really necessary? eom white_wolf Sep 2017 #6
Bernie Has a History of Scapegoating Immigrants TomCADem Sep 2017 #9
Dump just may get an anti-American, pro Sino-Russian party elected in MX. roamer65 Sep 2017 #7
China is fine with this. American companies doing business in Mexico ? Maybe not so trump happy lunasun Sep 2017 #10
 

greeny2323

(590 posts)
2. Trump doesn't plan
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 10:52 PM
Sep 2017

There's no plan. There are no ideas. There's no grand strategy. Trump doesn't like them because they aren't white and he thinks America belongs to whites.

There's no need to theorize anything beyond that.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
3. Nice Bernie dig. If I recall Hillary called NAFTA flawed when she ran for Senate and voted against
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 10:59 PM
Sep 2017

CAFTA when she was a Senator and ultimately came out against the TPP during this last election.

The Senate Democrats also want to change NAFTA.


https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/us/politics/senate-democrats-seek-to-outdo-trump-on-trade.html
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By BINYAMIN APPELBAUM
AUGUST 2, 2017
WASHINGTON — Senate Democrats on Wednesday began an effort to outdo President Trump on a signature issue: protecting American workers from foreign competition.

Democrats, outflanked by Mr. Trump in the 2016 presidential campaign, are seeking to recapture the loyalty of voters convinced that globalization is eroding their fortunes and prospects.

They introduced a set of proposals built around two ideas: preventing unfair foreign competition and providing government support for domestic industries."

Show Full Article

TomCADem

(17,380 posts)
8. Which Is Why People Of Color Need to Hold ALL Demorats/Progressives Accountable...
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 12:32 AM
Sep 2017

...it is too easy for Democrats, Socialists, as well as Republicans, to scape goat immigrants and appeal to xenophobia. Bill Clinton decided to bash Sista Soulja to try to score some points with the white working class. Bernie has scapegoated immigrants, work programs and trade in order to appeal to the white working class, just like Trump. So, we have to hold Democrats and progressives accountable because they could sell us out in an effort to "stay away from identity politics, "even though Trump's whole candidacy was defined by appealing to identity politics and dressing up racism, sexism, and xenophobia as "populism."

So, whether it is Bernie or anyone else saying lets tolerate anti-choice candidates or going along with scapegoating immigrants, we need to hold them accountable. If we don't tolerate from Republicans, we certainly should not do so from anyone who should be on our side.

http://time.com/4170591/bernie-sanders-immigration-conservatives/

Why Conservatives Praise Bernie Sanders on Immigration

Rep. Steve King of Iowa, the adamantly pro-life co-chair of Sen. Ted Cruz’s presidential campaign who has dismissed global warming as a hoax and repeatedly supported shutting down the federal government, praised Sanders’ immigration stance several times in August.

“I admire Bernie’s passion and I notice that his immigration position is closer to mine than it is some of the presidential candidates on the Republican side,” King said in an interview with an Iowa radio station over this past summer. “He’s said ‘Let’s take care of American workers.’ I’m all for that."

Also this summer, King compared Sanders with Republican candidate Donald Trump, saying they’re “both speaking with non-politically correct language, and Bernie has taken some positions that I agree with. And part of his immigration policy is something that I agree with.”

* * *

Sanders has “pitted immigrants as an obstacle to tackling unemployment on a number of occasions,” said Alida Garcia, director of coalitions and policy at the pro-immigrant group FWD.us. “He's evolved on this issue since his campaign launched, but where his prior statements have been troublesome is within his economic framework of welcoming new immigrants to our country.”


CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
11. Bullshit. Bernie has not scapegoated minorities. Every one of his rallies,
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 01:28 AM
Sep 2017

Including the one in Portland Oregon that I attend was well represented by minority workers and union members/representatives. They opened his rallies and told their stories.

You are defending countries paying their workers substandard wages and subjecting them to sub-standard working and safety conditions while U.S. Corporations profit from it by taking advantage of cheap labor while shutting down U.S. factories, and paying U.S. workers increasingly shrinking wages.

This is whst the Senator from Vermont rails against.

This is plsying politics to support status quo corporate funded politicians..

Sanders has fought fir the $15 minimnum wage and has gained a lot of support for it.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_592709ebe4b0265790f5f2d0

http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-equal-pay/

"How has Bernie worked to get rid of the gender wage gap?
In 2012, Bernie support the Paycheck Fairness Act and helped the effort to bring it to a vote again in 2014. The bill was designed to strengthen the claims that female employers had against companies in cases of sex or gender discrimination. Among his twelve point Economic Agenda for America, Bernie wrote that we must “provide equal pay for women workers who now make 78 percent of what male counterparts make.” In addition to these more recent efforts, Bernie voted in favor of the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009, which aims “to ensure that individuals subjected to unlawful pay discrimination are able to effectively assert their rights under the federal anti-discrimination laws.”

"BERNIE SANDERS ON EQUAL PAY
Wage gaps affect workers based on a combination of factors including gender and race. Bernie Sanders believes workers deserve equal pay for equal work. He has fought for much of his political career to end discrimination and give working Americans the pay that they deserve.
Gender Wage Gap: Women make 82 cents for every dollar men make doing the exact same job. Bernie believes this wage gap is wrong and has supported legislation to help women secure equal pay.
Race Wage Gap: People of color have a harder time finding jobs and get paid less than their white counterparts when they do. Bernie believes structural problems such as racism, mass incarceration, and lower access to education are to blame, and has introduced and supported legislation to reform our criminal justice and education systems.

Gender Wage Gap

A pay gap exists between men and women which, while seemingly small, accrues and adds up over time. Bernie has supported and pushed efforts to strengthen claims for women against gender discrimination.
How is the pay gap calculated?
In 2014, the United States Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) published a report with statistical information pertaining to income across a wide field of variables. In the report, the BLS concludes that, “In 2013, women who worked full time in wage and salary jobs had median usual weekly earnings of $706, which represented 82 percent of men’s median weekly earnings ($860).”
This means that if we line up all full-time earners in two lines, divided by gender, and sort each line from least income to most, the woman halfway through her line makes $706 a week. However, the man halfway through his line makes $860. According to this measure, compared to her male counterpart, an American female worker makes $0.82 for every $1 an American male worker makes.
OK, but this doesn’t seem to control for other factors. Is this a problem with employers paying unequally, or with workers’ specific situations?
It’s a mix. While the above comparison only demands that workers are full time, other studies have been carried out attempting to discriminate between the parts of the wage gap coming from “observable differences” such as experience and education, and those coming from “unobservable differences” such as employer discrimination, according to a 2003 report filed by the Government Accountability Office (GAO). The report also stated that work patterns, such as not working full-time or leaving the workforce temporarily, played the largest role in influencing pay. Despite the difference, determining the precise cause was inconclusive.
A report by the Joint Economic Council similarly found that “[t]he pay gap can only be partially explained by differences in personal choices.” Some analyses have found smaller gaps. A National Bureau of Economic Research report found that discrimination could account for, at most, 8 percent of the gap. In summary, most experts agree that there is a gap, but the amount of that gap which is attributed to discrimination varies.
If the gap due to discrimination is just 8 percent, what’s the concern?
Well, the point is that equal work deserves equal pay, but even if you don’t agree with that, the most conservative wage gap calculations add up over time. Putting the gap at a mere 2 percent for individual contributors means that a woman working the same job as her male counterpart, averaging $50,000 a year, will be shorted $1,000 a year. Over the course of a career, this amounts to tens of thousands of dollars which could have otherwise gone towards the purchase of a home, savings, or retirement. Compounding the effects of the wage gap, social security benefits are calculated based on wages made. Therefore, women who are paid less during their careers will also earn less in retirement.
How has Bernie worked to get rid of the gender wage gap?
In 2012, Bernie support the Paycheck Fairness Act and helped the effort to bring it to a vote again in 2014. The bill was designed to strengthen the claims that female employers had against companies in cases of sex or gender discrimination. Among his twelve point Economic Agenda for America, Bernie wrote that we must “provide equal pay for women workers who now make 78 percent of what male counterparts make.” In addition to these more recent efforts, Bernie voted in favor of the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009, which aims “to ensure that individuals subjected to unlawful pay discrimination are able to effectively assert their rights under the federal anti-discrimination laws.” Learn more about Bernie’s record on related issues at the Women’s Rights issue page.
Race Wage Gap

Bernie believes racism, mass incarceration, and unequal access to education are the reasons people of color have a difficult time finding jobs and getting equal pay for equal work. Given these are structural problems, Bernie believes the best way to address them is to fix the structures that support such inequities by reforming our broken criminal justice and education systems.
How does wealth among whites and people of color in America compare?
According to a joint report by Demos and the Institute on Assets and Social Policy (IASP), “the median white household had $111,146 in wealth holdings compared to just $7,113 for the median Black household and $8,348 for the median Latino household.” Another study IASP conducted over 25 years reveals that the wealth gap between white and African-American families rose from $85,000 in 1984 to $236,500 in 2009.
Do non-white workers really earn less for equal work than whites?
Blacks and Latinos in the U.S. earn significantly less than their white counterparts, as evidenced by the chart below published in the Harvard Business Review. Comparing median weekly salaries from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) further reveals how race and gender relate to pay:
pay-by-race-gender

Comparing median weekly salaries from the U.S. Population Survey in 2013, we see that a median black male earns 75.1 cents for every dollar a median white male earns. A median Latino male earns only 67 cents. According to the same data, a median white woman makes 78 cents compared to a white male, and black and Latina women follow making 64 cents and 54 cents respectively. This data shows a large racial wage gap and illustrates how important both gender and race are when examining the wage gap.
Also, according to the BLS, Asian men and women make more than anyone in America. However, this may be explained by the fact that they have a higher average educational attainment.
Is it harder to get an interview as a person of color in the United States?
It appears to be the case. Researchers at the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) published an experiment in which they sent thousands of resumes to various help-wanted ads in Chicago and Boston. Some resumes bore the white-sounding names “Emily” and “Greg”, and others had the black-sounding names “Lakisha” and “Jamal”. Those with white-sounding names got one callback for every 10 applications; those with black-sounding names got one only every 15. (It is worth noting that this study did not check hiring rates or earnings.)
A story that went viral in 2014 seems to confirm the NBER results with regards to Latinos. A Mexican-American L.A. resident named José Zamora detailed how his job search was going nowhere until he changed his name on his resume from José to Joe, editing nothing else, and started getting callbacks from the same jobs that had ignored him previously.
What else contributes to the racial wage gap?
According to a 2001 paper by two labor economists, about half of the racial wage gap can be attributed to differences in work experience, differences in time out of the workforce, and differences in amount of education gained. Differences in the amount of education gained contribute more to the Latino wage gap, while differences in experience and time out of the workforce contribute more to the black wage gap.
The same paper goes on to explain that black Americans suffer from lower labor force participation for several reasons. When displaced from work, black workers take significantly longer than white workers to find new work. Also, black Americans with a criminal record find it much harder than white Americans with a criminal record to find work. Since black Americans are incarcerated at a higher rate, this has a drastic decreasing effect on labor force participation.
The graph shows the effect a criminal record has on one’s ability to get a job in America:
Racial_impact_of_criminal_record_interview_callback
Additionally, the same paper notes that black unemployment is likely understated since incarcerated individuals are not included in the statistic. Learn more about Bernie’s stance on mass incarceration in the Criminal Justice issue page.
Wow, this is all very concerning.
Everyone is concerned! The black community is so worried by the scarcity of jobs paying good wages that they cite it as the number-one issue affecting their families:
problems-facing-black-families-today

Meanwhile, Latinos rank the economy and education (which eases access to jobs) above immigration, in terms of issues important to them:
latinos-education-economy-immigration

How has Bernie worked to get rid of the racial wage gap?
In May 2015, Bernie introduced the College for All Act to help increase access to higher education by making all public colleges and universities tuition-free. This would provide those coming from low-income backgrounds a better chance to get an education that might allow them to gain the skills that could provide access to better economic opportunities.
Additionally, Bernie has supported expanding laws that protect against discrimination. As recently as November 2013, he voted for the Employment Non-Discrimination Act.
Bernie has also spoken out against various contributors to over-incarceration of people of color. He has said that prison money would be better spent on job training and education. As previously noted, better training would help Latinos as well as blacks. Bernie has also declared the “war on drugs” to be largely a failure, as it has incarcerated too many non-violent offenders, a majority of them blacks."



left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
5. The linked article doesn't mention Bernie Sanders
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 11:12 PM
Sep 2017

Adding it to this thread just stirs the pot.
But, guess that's why it was tossed it.

TomCADem

(17,380 posts)
9. Bernie Has a History of Scapegoating Immigrants
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 12:43 AM
Sep 2017

I know that this is conveniently forgotten, but here is Bernie explaining to Lou Dobbs why he was opposed to work authorization programs. The fact of the matter is that he is in agreement with Lou Dobbs despite dressing up anti-immigrant rhetoric in progressive sounding language. Fast forward to today, and Jeff Session is using similar language to justify the termination of DACA arguing that DACA immigrants are taking away jobs and lowering wages for American workers.

I would like to see Democrats, and Bernie Sanders, be more explicit in calling out Trump for using racism to oppress working class whites, as well as minorities by distracting them by scapegoating immigrants. Unfortunately, how can Bernie do this when he himself use these same dog whistles?

https://www.vox.com/2016/2/12/10981234/bernie-sanders-lou-dobbs

SANDERS: Of course there is hope that we can change that. And I think there are a growing number of Americans who understand that there's something wrong when the middle class in this country continues to shrink despite a huge increase in worker productivity, poverty continues to increase. Since Bush has been president, 5 million more Americans have slipped into poverty. Six million Americans more have lost their health insurance and the gap between the rich and everybody else is growing wider.

So when President Bush tells you how great the economy is doing, what he is really saying is that the CEOs of large multinationals are doing very, very well. He's kind of ignoring the economic reality of everybody else and that gets us to the immigration issue.

If poverty is increasing and if wages are going down, I don't know why we need millions of people to be coming into this country as guest workers who will work for lower wages than American workers and drive wages down even lower than they are now.

* * *

DOBBS: Those are all industries in which wages are declining. I don't hear that discussed on the Senate floor by the proponents of this amnesty legislation.

SANDERS: That's right. They have no good response. I read something today that a lot of people coming into this country are coming in as lifeguards. I guess we can't find - that's right. We can't American workers to work as lifeguards. And the H1B program has teachers, elementary school teachers. Well, you know.

DOBBS: And that H1B program, we got to watch Senator Ted Kennedy watch there with the sole witness being one Bill Gates, the world's richest man, telling him he wanted unlimited H1B visas, obviously uninformed to the fact that seven out of 10 visas under the H1B program goes to Indian corporations that are outsourcing those positions to American corporations in this country and that four out of five of those jobs that are supposed to be high-skilled jobs are actually category one jobs which is low skill.

SANDERS: Well, you raise a good point, in that this whole immigration guest worker program is the other side of the trade issue. On one hand you have large multinationals trying to shut down plants in the America, move to China and on the other hand you have the service industry bringing in low wage workers from abroad. The result is the same — middle class gets shrunken and wages go down.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
10. China is fine with this. American companies doing business in Mexico ? Maybe not so trump happy
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 01:06 AM
Sep 2017

Call for go home gringos may return soon

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