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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI just read that Maria could be 140mph by the time it reaches
Puerto Rico.
They say Maria is Irma with an extra a - Irmaa=Maria.
Expect strengthening overnight
roamer65
(36,745 posts)We have the rest of Sept, Oct and November to go.
We just have to prepare for the worst and pay attention
Baitball Blogger
(46,698 posts)snort
(2,334 posts)but its the hippos that will get you.
spanone
(135,815 posts)appleannie1943
(1,303 posts)The last thing the Virgin Islands need.
awesomerwb1
(4,267 posts)This is not helping the immigration cause.
Revanchist
(1,375 posts)crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)Looking at the list of names (and some retired names) they seem to come from various parts of the world. For the Atlantic storms, no Asian names though.
There's a 6 year cycle for names. (Please correct me if these names are in the wrong nationality)
Spanish names--- Ana, Jose, Maria, Alberto, Ernesto, Nestor, Oscar, Cristobal
French names-- Gaston, Henri, Virginie, Hermine, Odette,
Eastern European/Russian names-- Ivan (retired), Katia,
On that note-- I have a friend who goes by her middle name. Her first, middle, and last name are all on the list of hurricane names.
My name was a 1975 hurricane (before I was born). It must have been retired because names are cycled in and out over 6 years unless retired (ie Sandy, Katrina). Or the naming system changed after then.
ProfessorGAC
(64,985 posts)Just curious as to how that name got in there if there was some rotational thing in play. What you're saying sounds like something NOAA would do, but Harvey seems out of place, then.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)I'm not sure where Harvey fits in. I've only known (of) one Harvey in my life and he's currently in his 70s.
Examples-- Danny, Grace, Kate, Peter, Sam, Alex, Lisa, Matthew (now retired), Chris, Sara, William
Interestingly enough there's some unisex names on there (Alex, Sam, Leslie). Alex and Sam are considered male names while Leslie is considered female.
The names are cycled through a 6 year period. They're replaced only if the name is retired. Irma will surely be retired, and I hope they replace it with Ivanka.
Full list of names
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_cyclone_naming
ProfessorGAC
(64,985 posts)Replace it with Ivanka! Nicely done!
suffragette
(12,232 posts)Guess it depends on your focus.
babylonsister
(171,050 posts)I'm hurricane weary.
malaise
(268,881 posts)I'm drained and we haven't been hit yet.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I know Jamaica is a very prepared island, but these monsters the Atlantic is churning out this year are scary as hell.
God, I so feel for the Caribbean. The hurricanes I experienced were awful and caused immense damage, but what happened to Barbuda and those islands in the direct path is beyond belief.
malaise
(268,881 posts)unless you pack your documents and get out of the way
cwydro
(51,308 posts)My heart is breaking for the Caribbean. I keep hoping it veers somehow.
bdamomma
(63,828 posts)Let them stay away from Bermuda. Now if no one believes in climate change it is here to stay unless those deniers out there wake up. scary stuff. Mother Nature is pissed off at us.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)What is happening is EXACTLY what has been predicted for DECADES, the scientists should have used the more dire predictions that were in line with the evidence instead of the down-played versions that made it seem less perilous ... humans are denial machines and scientists allowed them space to rationalize away the consequences for far too long.
Carbon Dioxide IS a "greenhouse gas".
That is fact. (So too is that stuff seeping out of the tundra...methane, which is why we are all already fucked beyond repair...)
Greenhouse gases are what allows the temperature of the Earth to be in the range it is instead of being an ice ball.
Another fact. (The same effect is why temperatures on Venus are hot enough to melt lead...)
When the concentration of greenhouse gases such as Carbon Dioxide and Methane increase, the amount of incident radiation from the sun that is retained (instead of re-radiating into space) increases, this in turn leads to higher aggregate global temperatures and a shifting, unpredictable climate replaces the stable one human civilization was weaned on.
Still more facts.
As coastal cities are starting to see, the sea level increase is REAL. The churning atmosphere in the tropics is REAL. The effects of this on storm surges and strength and frequency is REAL. There is nothing fake about any of this. Mathematically, humanity is FUCKED on a global scale. Literally BILLIONS of people, fellow human beings, are going to die in horrific ways - famine, pestilence, fighting, nuclear exchanges - before finally we disappear from the stage forever.
Eventually, life will persist. It won't survive in its current form. but it never does. We had a chance to change that...to be the first species that evolved enough to not only see its own demise, but to prevent it. We failed. Perhaps in a few billion years, the insect world will evolve a more suitable species to advance life on Earth into something more than a local affliction of the third orbiting body of a non-descript star in the corner of the Milky Way...or perhaps they too will fall victim to greed and lust for power just as the power brokers of the failed species Homo Sapiens have...
kydo
(2,679 posts)Let's hope not. I still haven't finishing cleaning up from Irma. Think I will leave the plywood up for now. Took the metal shutters off, needed the breeze, and those are easy to deal with.
This is first time I have been on-line since last Sunday.
malaise
(268,881 posts)I doubt it will hit the same places on the mainland - if it gets there
kydo
(2,679 posts)But damn, if we were the bull's eye 3 times that year. Charlie, Fran and Jean. Power was out for 8 days, 5 days and 3 days. Of course for Matthew, we were that few in the Orlando area that lost power for almost 2 days. Duke Energy sucks. Most of my sub division and the surrounding area got power back on Tuesday. We had to wait until 7pm Friday.
Its the grid. But no one will fix it. So I will. Me and the hubby are going to go solar. See if we can't get off the grid. Duke is unreliable.
malaise
(268,881 posts)Off the grid is the way to go.
kydo
(2,679 posts)It is good be back.
malaise
(268,881 posts)It's great seeing our Florida DUers recovering. Bad hurricanes make us realixe just how much we take for granted.
kydo
(2,679 posts)In an odd way when everyone is without power its really not that bad. Everyone is more nice to each other. Its when the power starts to come back when it sucks. Mostly it sucks when the people across the street get power back days before you. That person retreats back to AC and normalcy while the one without tends to develop resentments and feels more miserable.
The things you miss are the things you never thought you would miss. Well outside the obvious like AC and TV and the internet. I hate cleaning, like vacuuming and laundry. But damn if that wasn't the first things I did when power came back. I wasn't looking at tv or logging on the DU, okay yeah I did just sit and enjoyed the AC but then I did laundry while I vacuumed. Crazy!
malaise
(268,881 posts)I understand that resentment - saw it happen after Gilbert.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)We had these weird little pockets of 3-4 houses scattered throughout our neighborhood that had power as early as Tuesday. Most of us didn't get ours back until late Saturday night. You start to see carriage lights as a "ha ha, I have mine and you don't." (even though you know darned well that isn't what the neighbors with power are actually doing)
As soon as my house was cool enough, laundry and cleaning were first on my list too! I'm worn out from a marathon day of cleaning and restocking the fridge. Feel like I could sleep for a week....under air of course!
greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)Yikes
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)So many trees were down across the roads, plus the usual downed lines and poles.
Can you imagine going without vital prescription meds for 3 weeks?
no power, no cash registers work, not gas pumps, etc.
Yet another reason I would, personally, leave ahead of a big one aiming for this area.
The week or so after all the damage is as life threatening to some of us as the storm is. Getting much too old for the "adventure" of it all.
Maria needs to go to New York....
barbtries
(28,787 posts)how's your family and your home?
kydo
(2,679 posts)And maybe because of Charlie we didn't take as much damage. He knocked down everything. Which is good. I did not see any where near the same type of tree and roof damage as with Charlie. It smelled like Christmas when we did what they say don't do, we went out during the eye. And to this day I remember that smell smacking me in the face when we opened the door. Not with Irma. She lasted longer. We didn't get the eye, but we had hurricane winds and lots of tornado watches. But Irma was big and effected way more people then Charlie. Both were scary but for different reasons. Charlie was terror, felt like a train kept running over the house, but was over fast. Irma seemed to go on for ever, the winds were nuts but not the train thing.
Personally house and family fared very well, much better then Charlie. We lost nothing with Irma. I thought for sure the fence we installed after Charlie and the new gutters and its splash shield, installed less then a month ago were toast. Both made it.
We were lucky.
Thanks for the welcome back. It's nice to be working on getting back to normal.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)when i told my sister Maria was coming she went right there and said, oh no, she's a pistol.
is this written in stone? any chance she'll lose ferocity, stay in the ocean, go elsewhere?
by the way Malaise, thank you! you are a great resource for this information
malaise
(268,881 posts)Looks likely - conditions re ripe for strengthening from tonight.
You're welcome sis
montana_hazeleyes
(3,424 posts)There are certain things that can be tracked and measured, but these hurricanes do and go where they want!
malaise
(268,881 posts)Ivan was supposed to go right though Jamaica and just moved and passed real close. All now we wonder how that missed us.
mcar
(42,296 posts)No mas. I'm done. The islands can't take anymore.
Florida will collapse if another big one hits. This is madness.
Ligyron
(7,624 posts)I predict hurricane season will last longer and longer with the ocean retaining heat like it has been.
mcar
(42,296 posts)malaise
(268,881 posts)if they take another hit.
This is madness
mcar
(42,296 posts)People have been through enough. No homes, no water,no food, no way out.
SO and our neighbor talked last week while cleaning up after Irma. About how close FL is to being a 3rd world area. If another hits here, we don't have the money to leave.
Enough!
malaise
(268,881 posts)They still have power. Heavy Heavy rain in Barbados (Bim), St Lucia and Dominica. Lightning hit the power grid and knocked out power island wide in Barbados this afternoon.
B2G
(9,766 posts)She's slowed down a bit. Around 10 EST.
malaise
(268,881 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)I'm sure the effects are tremendous right now though.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)countryjake
(8,554 posts)And I surely hope it's true that not a soul is left on the island of Barbuda; how any of those tiny low-lying isles will be able to take the destruction of another major hit, I have no idea.
https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/atlantic/maria-2017
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2017/al15/al152017.public_a.006.shtml?
malaise
(268,881 posts)Cat 2 is better than Cat3 or Cat 4
countryjake
(8,554 posts)so if I were a betting person, I certainly wouldn't rule out the odds of winds reaching higher than 129 mph by the time Maria nears the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico.
You take care down there, malaise, just in case that cone soon shows a wobble shift further to the South.
bluepen
(620 posts)and that's often the worst aspect of a storm. There are Cat 2s with bigger storm surge than Cat 4s. And of course, the landfall timing matters with regard to where the tide is in its cycle. SaffirSimpson is all wind.
This is why there's talk of changing the SSHWS. And as the sayings go: "run from water, hide from wind" and "evacuate for water, not wind."
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)that take into account size, speed of forward motion, rain fall, etc. The Cat scale doesn't paint a full enough picture.
Some of the worst damage my neighbors sustained wasn't during Hurricanes Frances, Jeanne, Matthew, or Irma. It was flooding from Tropical Storm Faye. Oh, just a tropical storm they say? It sat over our community for three and a half straight days!
Completely agree with you.
bluepen
(620 posts)damage than a Cat 1 (that was on the upper end of the scale) about a month later.
And great point about the size of the storm. Here in Charleston, we took a good punch from one of Irma's strong feeder bands, and we were nowhere close to the center of the storm and the immediate effects surrounding it. Forecasters underestimated what we got here. (Not blaming them. That was a difficult storm to get a handle on in terms of localized impacts.)
malaise
(268,881 posts)SUMMARY OF 1100 AM AST...1500 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...14.7N 60.1W
ABOUT 60 MI...95 KM E OF MARTINIQUE
ABOUT 95 MI...150 KM ESE OF DOMINICA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...120 MPH...195 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...WNW OR 285 DEGREES AT 10 MPH...17 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...959 MB...28.32 INCHES
WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:
A Hurricane Warning is now in effect for the U. S. Virgin Islands.
The Meteorological Service of Antigua has issued a Hurricane
Warning for the British Virgin Islands, and a Tropical Storm Warning
for Anguilla.
SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:
A Hurricane Warning is in effect for...
* Guadeloupe
* Dominica
* St. Kitts, Nevis, and Montserrat
* Martinique
* St. Lucia
* U.S. Virgin Islands
* British Virgin Islands
A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect for...
* Antigua and Barbuda
* Saba and St. Eustatius
* St. Maarten
* Anguilla
A Hurricane Watch is in effect for...
* Puerto Rico, Vieques, and Culebra
* Saba and St. Eustatius
* St. Maarten
* St. Martin and St. Barthelemy
* Anguilla
A Tropical Storm Watch is in effect for...
* Barbados
* St. Vincent and the Grenadines
B2G
(9,766 posts)tclambert
(11,085 posts)(Those are anagrams of anagram.)
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)MuseRider
(34,104 posts)Still freaked out by what happened in Tortola. I know other islands were hit harder, maybe in part because they are flatter than Tortola but still, I wish so much I could go there and help with clean up.
Best to all of you in the path.
Malaise, how are things your way? You had to have had some wind and wave action right? Be safe and well.
malaise
(268,881 posts)One returned to Jamaica yesterday. The other left Tortola for Trinidad the day I told him what was coming.
He's in construction and will head back to help in the recovery
MLAA
(17,267 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)whatta gonna do?
Leith
(7,808 posts)Last edited Sun Sep 17, 2017, 11:46 PM - Edit history (1)
who will feel the effects of Maria. I've been through a hurricane, but I can't imagine this.
Edited to add: It's sure to get worse. It looks like Maria is canabalizing Lee. Check it out.
bedazzled
(1,761 posts)numbers would be fine I think. imagine being named katrina...
bdamomma
(63,828 posts)that the stupid man (trump) did not realize there was a Cat 5 category. What a stupid ass man. Geez only concerned about himself.
malaise
(268,881 posts)What an ignorant ass.
bdamomma
(63,828 posts)geez, what a dunce, and he is going to UN tomorrow for the general assembly. let's see how is he going to screw this up.
glad you are ok malaise.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)as it seems to have eyes set on North Carolina. Hope it turns out to sea well before then.
malaise
(268,881 posts)Hope not - this will be another destructive hurricane - now Cat4
Link to tweet
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raccoon
(31,107 posts)herding cats
(19,558 posts)My thoughts are with those in its path.
malaise
(268,881 posts)[7:33pm] Recon finds an estimated pressure of 926mb and surface winds of 160 mph in #Maria's northwestern eyewall.
Just hit Dominica
Good effin' grief!
herding cats
(19,558 posts)I can't imagine being those poor people in the path of another major storm so soon.
kydo
(2,679 posts)malaise
(268,881 posts)Damn
kydo
(2,679 posts)Poor Dominica. And Puerto Rico. This is insane.
malaise
(268,881 posts)Time to scream - Dominica cannot handle this
kydo
(2,679 posts)And we are only at "M". While winter is coming, November is still a long way away. I will scream with you. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
malaise
(268,881 posts)Damn! This will be a frightening night. Dominica will have mudslides on top of the wind devastation
kydo
(2,679 posts)This is a nightmare Hurricane season. That's gonna be the situation in Puerto Rico.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)malaise
(268,881 posts)The Caribbean cannot handle these two recoveries
catbyte
(34,364 posts)but when you've got ocean temps in the low 90's and no wind shear, catastrophic things happen. The poor people in Dominica. It's 2038 EDT & they say that the eye should be over her within the hour. Dominica;s landmass will do nothing to weaken Maria. God help the people in Puerto Rico & other islands in Maria's path. I hope it recurves out to sea enough to miss the Carolinas.
malaise
(268,881 posts)'Dominicas Prime Minister has said Hurricane Maria has stripped the island of all what money can buy. The Category 5 storm slammed into the small Caribbean island overnight. Prime Minister Roosevelt Skerrit captured the terrifying power of Hurricane Maria in a series of Facebook posts, writing that he was at the complete mercy of the storm. After being rescued, he said: We will need help, my friend, we will need help of all kinds. He added: Initial reports are of widespread devastation. So far we have lost all what money can buy and replace. So, far the winds have swept away the roofs of almost every person I have spoken to or otherwise made contact with. The roof to my own official residence was among the first to go and this apparently triggered an avalanche of torn away roofs in the city and the countryside. My greatest fear for the morning is that we will wake to news of serious physical injury and possible deaths as a result of likely landslides triggered by persistent rains. Marias sustained wind speeds reached 160mph, with higher gusts, on Monday night.
catbyte
(34,364 posts)Baclava
(12,047 posts)malaise
(268,881 posts)back to back Cat5s
Baclava
(12,047 posts)It could take a wobble when it hits any land
malaise
(268,881 posts)Would take one hell of a wobble to reach Jamaica - we'll get heavy rain from outer bands.
We're fully aware that our day will come...just not this time around.