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"A group of protesters on Monday took over a press conference being held by Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (CA).
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Pelosi was discussing her efforts to save the so-called Dreamer program, when the group of Dreamers took over the event in San Francisco and started chanting. The group is apparently upset that Pelosi is working with Trump to pass a legislative fix for the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program"
The protesters chanted and yelled for more than 30 minutes, giving Pelosi little time to respond.
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/watch-live-nancy-pelosi-press-conference-descends-into-chaos-as-dreamers-take-over/
Do these protesters have any idea how legislation is passed?
The Democrats are working to get a "Dreamers Bill" passed through Congress, and made into law that isn't dependent on an executive order.
Perhaps these protesters should be going after the republicans instead of Democrats who are trying to make DACA law
onecaliberal
(32,485 posts)Do these people have a clue?
JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)Protesters swarm on Democrats, who already support their cause, rather than on the GOPers, who are the ones who need their minds changed.
I can only presume they do that because with the Dems they at least have a chance of getting their message out for a few minutes and possibly some national air time, whereas the GOPers will have them summarily tossed out the door before they get through one chant.
It's rather cowardly, though, taking the path of least resistance.
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)always attacking Democrats...without Pres. Obama, the program wouldn't exist. Time for some to figure out what they want...this is disgusting behavior...if they wait for the GOP to help, it would be a cold day in hell.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)The GOP mainstream (Ryan, Turtle) support them as does the spectrum of Democrats.
http://www.salon.com/2017/09/05/daca-has-made-sense-to-me-republican-lawmakers-pledge-to-support-daca-over-trump/
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)will do nothing for them. Without Democrats, they are toast...the our revolution types are involved...they wouldn't care how many were deported if it helps them attack Democrats.
onecaliberal
(32,485 posts)Not the ones working hard to help.
Me.
(35,454 posts)After he passed the dream act to much criticism.
ATL Ebony
(1,097 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)I never understood what point they were trying to make, but am fed up with seeing this sort of thing. The media relishes showing Dems being protested over and over.
ATL Ebony
(1,097 posts)this is the best plan of action they're going to be 100x more angry as the loaded onto buses.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)And he passed it only after they occupied his campaign field offices for several weeks. I know because my office was one of them that was occupied.
Me.
(35,454 posts)And had to wait for them to convince him which just isn't so. It had long been under consideration and when he finally moved he caught big time hell for it from a lot of different quarters and then protested by them at his rallies.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)They made it a similar level of urgency for the Democratic party and the president by taking over offices and refusing to leave until they had a promise that these children will not be arrested for entering the country as undocumented children.
"We are working on it," would not keep these children from being arrested and sent to a country that is foreign to them.
Me.
(35,454 posts)who wanted to help them and were trying to, which Republicans did they target. NONE.
Moves such as this does them no credit and it doesn't help by insisting all 11 mil get green cards or none do...and saying they are being used as bargaining chips by the Dems is nonsense.
You keep saying it's a matter of urgency with them...people on this board get that...but they are also able to see tactics such as this are counterproductive and an all or none proposition as unrealistic.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Detention centers are just that. These children do not belong there and to suggest they have any reason to look at the bigger political picture and not their own dire situation is pretty unrealistic given the consequences. Unless you are on the brink of going to prison for something not of your own fault or volition, you don't have as much say in how they should be defending themselves right now. I don't condone their actions, but I also cannot blame or vilify them for doing everything in their power to stay in this country: the only one they know.
Me.
(35,454 posts)you don't seem to understand that the DEms get their plight. The issue here, on, this thread, are the tactics they use which are viewed as counterproductive. And they have to look at the bigger political picture, for their own sake, to understand the landscape of their plight. What they did today isn't it. You can see on this thread, and elsewhere that this tactic will harm their cause. And if they are being led by Our Revolution then they are being used.
Further, thinking they are in a position to make a deal will get them nowhere. All or none is an unrealistic goal and will surely push the Con agenda to deport them somewhere they don't belong.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Whether it is productive or counterproductive is purely up to them, not us.
I don't like it either, but I'm not in a position of getting forcefully detained and sent somewhere I don't have a clue about.
Me.
(35,454 posts)But we do get to choose if we support those tactics and I suspect there isn't much support for what they did today and they do need all the support they can get. Whoever is leading them is either not very good or has an agenda and is using them.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)And the vast majority of Americans. I doubt their protest methods -regardless of how callous some of them might be is going to create much of a shift towards Americans wanting to imprison and deport innocent children.
Me.
(35,454 posts)in matters such as these.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)would be better served by having a dialogue in such a small venue.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Hardly.
Control-Z
(15,681 posts)that she doesn't? Pelosi is fighting for them. She's gettings things done for them.
What I heard on the news just a few minutes ago is that they want more. They want all undocumented immigrants included right now. One said they weren't willing to get green cards while leaving the other 11,000,000 behind.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)There will be no amnesty other than perhaps for DREAMERS. If they want to give up their chance on that, have at it.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)big on rewarding lawbreakers as many on here are. The Dreamers are different, they didn't have a choice and were brought here as children, I have zero problem with them staying in the only country they know. I also know both sets of my grandparents played by the rules and see no reason other immigrants can't do the same so giving amnesty to all undocumented immigrants is not something I support.
awesomerwb1
(4,256 posts)No offense but I swear I saw almost an exact post on Breitbart. Do you post there?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)You follow whatever rules are set up for immigrants. You become a DOCUMENTED immigrant. It means not having to hide in the shadows or forcing your children to live in fear of getting arrested and deported.
The only time I post at Breitbart (and I use the same screen name as here) is to mock them for continuing to support a whore mongering degenerate who treats them like a used condom.
awesomerwb1
(4,256 posts)US born kids, mortgages, a lot of them own businesses. You can't deport 11 million people, but hey, go vote for that "lefty".
Do you really expect them to go back to where they came from leaving their kids here for 10 years if not a lot longer (if the US born kids are young and can't sponsor parents until they turn 21 if ever)?
They're not taking any jobs from anyone. Dating back to June there were over 6 million jobs available for anyone who wants to work. 6 million unfilled jobs.
I'm sure if your ancestors had to overstay a visa in order to give their kids a better life away from poverty and violence they would've turned down that opportunity to "play by the rules". The immigration system is broken, the rules are not realistic.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)the usual arguments for not making people follow the law. Just because it would be cost prohibitive to deport millions doesn't mean they were right in breaking the law and that it should continue to be tolerated. My grandparents already had relatives here which is how they came in LEGALLY. I can't possibly tell you how little it means to me that you don't think I'm lefty enough for the purity police.
awesomerwb1
(4,256 posts)Couldn't care less how you vote. It's pretty obvious from the arguments you spout. I do care for the incorrect stuff you and the fox/breitbart/FAIR masses love posting online.
Have a nice day "lefty".
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)who play by the rules and don't expect to get to the front of the line by breaking the law. That makes me an American citizen and not some third world putz.
awesomerwb1
(4,256 posts)you were on Breitbart there righty.
"I'm a 'muhrican. "some third world putz". lol Really?
Having been born and raised in CA, I've known quite a few "third world country" people. More American in almost every way than you are.
The problem with you anti-immigrant tough guys, is that it's pretty obvious your problem with them isn't them getting to the front of the line. It's their skin color.
Ta Ta MFWPS
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Are we going to pretend that might doesn't make right in third world countries? That we're supposed to be proud that nobody is above OR below the law in the US. I know it's all the rage for many on the left to pretend the US is the scourge of the planet but it does make it hard to explain why so many people risk their lives to come here every single day when where they came from must be some kind of paradise simply because it's not the US.
Go ahead and pretend it's skin color. Of course, that would mean there are zero brown people who do things legally when it comes to immigration. Is that really the claim you want to argue with me?
I know these are uncomfortable truths for many on the far left but don't even bother trying to shame me - I don't give people who pretend up is down that kind of power.
awesomerwb1
(4,256 posts)You couldn't care less how people come to the US. They're all third world "putzes" to you (to quote you). And "cutting to the front of the line" has got to be the most popular BS excuse from anti-immigrants. Lame.
Go head and pretend it's not skin color. And yes, I'm sure compared to you, I must be "far left".
Sorry but I'm afraid I'm gonna have to block you righty. Don't have time for people like you these days. WPOEM
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Oh do please LIE some more about me that ALL immigrants are third world putzes. Since I've thoroughly destroyed your ridiculous talking points, your only defense is to block me - how pathetic. My job with you is done.
ck4829
(34,977 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)And he confirms they want all eleven million to have green cards.
unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)Of course I still support a path to citizenship for the dreamers, but I can see that if this type of thing happens many more times, it could become less of a priority. It makes our party look more divided, and more chaotic than it really is.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)Pelosi loud and clear. They aren't trying to sway the voting public.
"Oh they are dressed nicely, therefore they couldn't be real Mexicans" and "how dare they speak truth to power!"
I can't fuckinf elieve the shit that's being expressed in this tread.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)In a huge amount of languages, there are similar sayings to: "You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar"
Now they have to hope Pelosi will look beyond their idiotic behavior instead of doing what the natural inpulse is, which is to not help people who act like assholes to you.
That's not a good strategy
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)heart broken by a group of protesters, don't you? Better tread lightly on that fragile ego of hers or she might change her mind out of spite!!!!!
Jesus, let her know in no uncertain terms what's at stake here.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)that. But its a pretty stupid and shitty protest to have to rely on that.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)of anti Vietnam reps. It's all about the message, it's about the policy. There is this confusion around here about identity, it's got nothing to do with Pelosi.
maxrandb
(15,191 posts)This clip will be used over and over again in Retrumplican Congressional and Senate ads, and will be used by the media to show weakness and disarray within the Democratic Party... the only party that actually gives a damn about them.
Call me when they start disrupting Retrumplican events.
It's so damn frustrating, ignorant and short sighted.
The reward we gave to Democrats for advancing a progressive government was to fucking decimate Democrats at the state, local and federal government just in time for the census and redistricting!
It will take a generation to fix that fucking failure.
This demonstration will do nothing but help elect even more Retrumplicans. Unless their goal is to make the country so fucked for 50 years that people will finally throw the cons out of power... this was a miserable failure.
Steve Bannon thanks them for their actions.
unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)This just leaves a sour taste, and there are plenty of other issues that deserve my time and money.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)A glass of Chard might help.
unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)You will see.
And I prefer a shot of whiskey.
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)resistant...seems to me these folks booed the wrong person. Democrats gave them DACA...and the GOP is trying to take it away.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Fucking with Pelosi isn't going to accomplish any goals... Unless the whole objective of this exercise was just to fuck with Pelosi and make her look bad...
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)brush
(53,471 posts)and EO the can be cancelled by the next president?
Is there some repug funding going on?
Something doesn't smell right about that.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)of what protest is all about.
brush
(53,471 posts)Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)marybourg
(12,540 posts)on NPR this morning. Their beef is that help for the Dreamers will come at the price of a legislative crackdown on non-Dreamer undocumented; Dreamer's parents, grandparents, non-Dreamer siblings, etc.
brush
(53,471 posts)IMO it's not a good idea to tie those together with DACA.
marybourg
(12,540 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)At least it wouldn't be for me and especially not for very young people.
brush
(53,471 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 18, 2017, 10:56 PM - Edit history (1)
blow up DACA all together then everyone would be subject to deportation.
I say get DACA fixed then see what can be done for others.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)It's as if their homes are burning down and all they can do is watch while fools sit on the sidelines and judge them for being upset for their losses. Traditional lobbying, white papers, data, are meaningless to an teenager who parents are being deported.
brush
(53,471 posts)Pelosi is trying to preserve the DACA status that Obama started.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)If children can stay but their parents can't, what happens to them?
brush
(53,471 posts)Most of the dreamers age group now is older teens and young adults, even 30 somethings.
What's on the table, as in Obama's executive order are those in that age group.
Save them if at all possible.
Protests unfortunately are not going to change the status of their parents and we know trump will not draft an EO for them.
We just have to wish them the best and hope they avoid deportation as they've done since they made the decision to come here with their kids.
The reality is extremely harsh.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)In our comfortable homes and expensive phones. I've a few conversations that should make anyone who passes judgement on them ashamed.
brush
(53,471 posts)No judgment should be passed on people borne into a country that doesn't offer opportunities for it's citizens to prosper.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)and don't even speak the language of the country they would be dropped into. They have to leave their children behind or take them into a potentially dangerous environment where they will feel horribly insecure. Their anger is righteous and justified.
brush
(53,471 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)I really doubt Pelosi's ego is as bruised as some of the posters here. This was not a protest in opposition to the congresswoman herself. They are trying to get her to feel their urgency.
JHan
(10,173 posts)What political power do Democrats have at present? What political power does SHE have? How the hell did she end up in their cross hairs?
This is political suicide, plain and simple.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)when it's part of abstract political gaming. As we see in this discussion in the interpretations of how people who are suffering affect politics. And the breakdown of teams.
JHan
(10,173 posts)as a minority leader is getting what she can within current limits, while Dems control nothing. Yes, it will involve "political gaming".
She is not the enemy.
And these protesters don't speak for all Dreamers.
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)do exactly what they want...you can wait and see them all deported...or you can cut a deal which may not be exactly what we want...those are the choices...go to complain to Stein and those who could have voted and didn't boo them. A crack down will probably come no matter what. Elections have consequences.
ck4829
(34,977 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)True that protest needs to be anywhere in front of anyone, and that Nancy may not be the target, but I think they were chanting "Democrats deporters?"
Before I go further I need to know what they were saying
Me.
(35,454 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)in their shoes I would also.
We can handle that, Nancy will regroup and deal with it.
Entirely different matter if they are not who they say they are.
Me.
(35,454 posts)I find it counterproductive to protest/disrupt those who are trying to help. And as has been stated why is it only Dems they seem to protest?
Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)But as someone who doesnt have to protest I dont like to judge those who have to, I would rather see them protesting republicans of course.
Me.
(35,454 posts)But I will say truthfully I never understood them protesting PBO when he was one of the few trying to help them
Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)makes me sick to think of the comparison
rockfordfile
(8,682 posts)Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)They do with Democrats
mcar
(42,210 posts)Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)LenaBaby61
(6,965 posts)Go protest thuglicans like hideous racists like Steve King of Iowa and other thuglicans like him.
Pelosi is their ally, why protest and shout HER down?
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)leaves a mixed message as currently being reported in the press. GOP teabaggers like King are all too happy to cast around for excuses to support their racism.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)I was too lazy to fix it myself at the time..
Took it to my mechanic I have used forever and waited till he started working. Then I proceeded to tell him to fix it! Fix It Now before I kill the Cow! Fix it NOW before I Kill the COW!
He was done in no time and did a PERFECT job! That is how you "protest" something
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)And now she is going to work with Trump on it. Good luck with your car or whatever the fuck nonsense you were attempting to describe.
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)two shits about Dreamers...just hating on Democrats.
ATL Ebony
(1,097 posts)brush
(53,471 posts)with protesting someone trying to help you, if that's what's really happening.
Has it occurred to you that that protest may have been funded by repugs?
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)point.
It's the polar opposite of Pelosi and the Dreamers.
brush
(53,471 posts)Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)R B Garr
(16,920 posts)Hopefully they will not hurt the other Dreamers.
HarmonyRockets
(397 posts)Thanks in advance. You can't just spew conspiracy theories without any evidence for the sole purpose of bashing Bernie Sanders supporters.
brush
(53,471 posts)Typical. They'd rather go after Democrats instead of the repugs who are trying to deport them.
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)And it was in KOS...four days ago in the Good News section. They object to the deal to save the Dreamers...acting as if there is a better way...with the Dems out of power...there is no better way...but of course it's our revolution...it makes me sick to see them using these kids. Save the Dreamers and then when we get back in power...comprehensive immigration reform.
LenaBaby61
(6,965 posts)So, back during Civil Rights times of the 1960's when there were no Civil Rights, I should have gone and protested against Lyndon Johnson who signed Civil Rights legislation into law in 1964? Makes no sense.
What in the world would I go protest a person whose fighting for me/my family and for us to exist and have a life PERIOD instead of protesting against a racist asshole whose demonizes me and who wants me deported?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)And let me get to the point and put it succinctly, protesting your allies and giving those who want to hurt you a pass is not how protesting works.
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)I am protesting about the danger of health care repeal... but not Sherrod Brown who is on our side...only Portman...if our revolution is involved, it is an attack on Democrats...they don't care who gets hurt.
treestar
(82,383 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)HarmonyRockets
(397 posts)Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)so these shouty folks silenced Dreamers who wanted to be heard and who were about to make themselves so. It's pretty fucking urgent for them too, but they had no problem with shutting down actual Dreamers. I have no idea who the people doing all the shouting were, but we do know who they silenced, and it wasn't Nancy.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)This isn't just policy to them. So many don't know where they're going to live or how they will survive if they stay while the rest of their families are deported. The have so few choices and they're so scared because no matter what, their safety is threatened.
Pelosi can handle herself. I tend to think she understands and is not judging them or considering them ungrateful.
LenaBaby61
(6,965 posts)Those who are protesting Pelosi don't seem to CARE about how legislation is passed, nor do they seem to care that thuglicans are running EVERY part of this government. They need to go protest Steve King or other GOP racists. Pelosi is the LAST person they should be protesting against.
How short-sided. Biting the hand that feeds them. SMDH.
DURHAM D
(32,595 posts)Dreamers are smarter than that.
still_one
(91,955 posts)Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Groups associated with the sit ins in the obama campaign field offices in 2012.
Dems held every branch of government except the Supreme Court in 2009-2011 and somehow didn't make these people a priority enough to pass the dream act. They realize they are gonna have to stand up for themselves because they can't trust a politician to do it for them
still_one
(91,955 posts)The SC wasn't reason enough.
Civil Rights weren't reason enough.
Workers rights weren't reason enough.
The environment, healthcare, social security, medicare, Medicaid, etc. etc. etc. weren't reason enough
I guess President Obama's Executive Order wasn't good enough for some
Let's see how well they do with the republicans
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)And Democrats didn't give them a reason to feel safe. It took their occupying dozens of field offices (including mine), before the president even considered a change of policy to protect dreamers.
still_one
(91,955 posts)Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Some people however, feel like their very lives are at risk and are doing everything they can to keep the homes they made for themselves over the last decade or two
elleng
(130,147 posts)repugs and russkies.
Old Vet
(2,001 posts)There protest makes NO sense at all, Period. Theres something fishy about these nitwits, Protesting against the very people who recently worked out a deal with a president to help dreamers. The republicans love this shit...........
LenaBaby61
(6,965 posts)Paid assholes. They aren't Dreamers.
God, I sure hope so.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)I have a feeling it's the "purity wing" if you catch my drift
HarmonyRockets
(397 posts)these are young people from three local organizations: RISE, Faith in Action, and the California Youth Immigrant Justice Alliance.
But yeah DUers, keep smearing these kids.
spanone
(135,635 posts)Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)They want to be protected, and they want proof somebody is gonna stand up for them. Until then, they can do it themselves. My admiration for dream activists knows no end.
still_one
(91,955 posts)Perhaps we do get the government we deserve with this purist bullshit
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)These forms of protest bring visibility to the fight, and are influencing democrats to prioritize their struggle because democrats are the most likely to do something about it. Daca was signed the exact same way.
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countryjake
(8,554 posts)OKNancy
(41,832 posts)Cesar Vargas Latino Outreach Strategist 2016 SANDERS Campaign
Who seemed to know all about the protest.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Amazing coincidence.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)was better for immigration.
He deleted my comment.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)jcmaine72
(1,773 posts)Weekend Warrior
(1,301 posts)and understands the concerns of the people. She might be removed from them in many ways but she is not petty.
Autumn
(44,756 posts)It was a stupid thing to do then and was a stupid rhing to do now.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Definitely not the first time protest groups have done this to allies
Autumn
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one being disrespected off on their cause.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)they might be disrespected. Hopefully this will not hurt the other Dreamers.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)SHOW it. Sanders handled that disruption the way he should. With respect, rather than dismissal. I do not know what bone these dreamers have with Pelosi, and I don't put it past people to be entirely misguided in their anger or rage sometimes, but they know, and you should know, that there are too many times in history, brought up here often, where Democrats have pushed the needs of minorities to the back and asked them to stick with them anyway, only to never deliver. Maybe that's not where we are with the dreamers. I'll have to look at their grievances before I come down one way or another, but have you done that yourself?
Autumn
(44,756 posts)a meeting where she was discussing efforts on their behalf.
maxrandb
(15,191 posts)Remember how fucking "cooperative" the ReTrumplicans were with President Obama?
See how many fucking seats they lost because they wouldn't "compromise" with the "Kenyan Born Islamic Terrorist"?? NO?? NEITHER DO I!
Retrumplicans were "rewarded" for being "pricks and assholes" by their voters that "wanted them to be pricks and assholes"
Frankly, I have no fucking respect for Pelosi or Schumer for even being in the same fucking room with Orange Julius Caesar.
While they were being all "chummy" with the fucking Devil, the Retrumplicans were scheming for a vote to repeal the ACA and kill hundreds of thousands of people and it looks apparent that they are going to be successful
They push through this fucking ACA repeal, it's time to SHUT THE FUCKING COUNTRY DOWN.
Let them try to round up 800,000 Dreamers and deport them. There should be NO FUCKING DEALING REQUIRED TO DO THE RIGHT GOD DAMN THING
Let them fucking own their "deplorableness"
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)major betrayal given every statement Trump made during the campaign, his outrageous positions, threats, staff, etc -- EVERY SINGLE THING WE DISCUSSED ON THIS SITE FOR MONTHS -- it makes me feel ill to see Pelosi and Schumer buddying up to Trump.
This new "repeal and replace" (lmfao) plan is another disgusting attempt to devastate the healthcare system and Obamacare by sneaking through a monster -- it allows for "looser" approaches towards preexisting conditions -- which means that people will be denied coverage. Period. That's the only point of allowing for a "loosening of protections."
And if the Dems aren't paying attention and/or are so focused on having little feel-good dinners with Trump while this monster goes through without comments or challenge...just ugh. Awful, weak backsliding and undermining of every thing we said and experienced.
OnDoutside
(19,907 posts)Because that is the effect of not making a deal over DACA. But still, you won't be the one hunted down, that's alright.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Where we get pissed when we see people talk to people we don't like. For fucks sake. We might as well close up
shop and go fill anarchy then. Shit is ridiculous.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,410 posts)He's usually at the root of this kind of event.
Did anyone VERIFY whether the protesters were real Dreamers??
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)JI7
(89,174 posts)Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)Joe Manchin, Tim Ryan, Nancy Pelosi (they really really hater her) and other Democrats. They say they will support non-Democrats and even Republicans...they call themselves progressive, but are part of the left left Green trash.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Link to tweet
Link to tweet
You'll never find them protesting a GOP public event, but that's not my business...
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)also supporting a primary opponent against Nancy...Can I say they are dead to me as is the head who hates Democrats...Nina Turner. This is the group who said they would support GOP candidates.
mcar
(42,210 posts)WTF? These people are hurting any chance to help the Dreamers.
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)still_one
(91,955 posts)Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)Our revolution is incapable of creating any good outcomes.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)on here! Support for undocumented immigrants shouldn't come with ambiguous conditions such as whether or not you like what actions they may choose to take, should it?
Do any of you condemning these people have any idea what occurred in the House just last week, on Thursday? Maybe try doing a search on H.R.3697 or the Criminal Alien Gang Member Removal Act to actually try and understand what's sparked the righteous anger of these young vulnerable people. There is a very immediate fear now for not only the parents and grandparents, brothers and sisters, and all extended families of any of the Dreamers, but also for all those groups, organizations, and individuals who might have helped them along the way to attaining a secure place in this nation.
Do you not understand that our government is after them, all of them, DACA recipients and their friends, families, loved ones, and any of those who were too leery to sign away their info to a shaky Federal plan back in 2012 that didn't even guarantee the protection of citizenship to those without "papers"; after them in San Francisco, in blue states and red states, in the fields and the "skilled" jobs, in the schools and colleges, on the border, and more than anywhere, in Washington. They have no vote, no representation whatsoever, except their own activist organizations, such as United We Dream and other Immigrant justice alliances spread across this country.
These are the same kids, the very same groups, who took action to get promises fulfilled back when our Party was still in control of government but did nothing to assure them protection from deportation, human rights, and a future that made it possible for them to have any dreams. They took much the same action as today, with President Obama in D.C. and their persistent progressive LOUD movement for justice is the only reason why DACA came to be in the first place in 2012.
Where's the empathy for the fragile current situation of 11 million people who've been living and working in the U.S.A. simply to have a chance at a better life?
I am both astounded and saddened coming into this thread. Walk a couple miles in an undocumented immigrant's shoes, then get back to me.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)It's as if this is all some sort of polite sports game with rules about who you are supposed to toss the ball to. I've pretty much had it.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)But it still has me totally agape.
Reading this makes me feel like a foreigner in my own land.
ck4829
(34,977 posts)People are sitting around and the only thing they think they can do is, or should even do, is vote in tainted elections every other year.
Lives are on the line here and it's evident people don't see that... telling people to vote in a year doesn't do anything right now.
We have to be the change, we have to be the force behind motions.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)Just came out strong for a clean DACA and that all those protesters were 100% legit.
So who was right in this whole nasty thread!
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)troubling. The buddying up with Trump in general just seems like a massive problem to me. I guess everything he said and threatened and everything you pointed out in your post just doesn't matter now because Trump is making kissyfaces at a few democrats who've been in leadership positions for a veeeeeery long time? I am sure he really means it...sigh.
LenaBaby61
(6,965 posts)Believe me, there are others of us who were born in this country and who have long deceased family members and relatives also born here who've walked and who continue to walk miles in our own shoes in our own county (USA). I'm half Native-American and half African-American, and I'm sure you know that Native-Americans and African-Americans are STILL walking and struggling in our shoes mile after mile right here (USA).
mercuryblues
(14,491 posts)is not a good strategy.
mulsh
(2,959 posts)It's always a very good idea to attack the politicians who support your cause and are in a position to work in very significant ways to help you and your cause. From the video it appears that Ms. Pelosi was amused and happy to let this group have their say. Then she attempted to get the mic and focus back. Eventually she and the other congress critters abandoned the stage.
Which all makes me want to know who organized these "dreamers" and talked them into being ammo for their opponents and targets for their supporters who may be wavering a bit.
HarmonyRockets
(397 posts)The local chapters of RISE, Faith in Action, and the California Youth Immigrant Justice Alliance.
romanic
(2,841 posts)but this does sound like a hit and run from special interests groups pretending to be Dreamers.
kentuck
(110,950 posts)A lot of dirty tricks going on.
mvd
(65,148 posts)They wouldn't even let her talk. I can also understand her position on single payer to a degree. Trump will never sign it, so protecting the ACA is important. Now if she actually undermines single payer, I would not be happy about that.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Response to still_one (Original post)
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quickesst
(6,280 posts)they were not dreamers nor were they people pretending to be dreamers. I watched it and it became apparent to me what was happening 30 seconds in. what the hell people?
immigration reform for everyone but why are the dreamers being demonized?
Nancy Pelosi Shouted Down by Immigration Activists at News Conference
by ANDREW RAFFERTY
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House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi was shouted down by pro-immigration activists in San Francisco Monday for participating in negotiations with President Donald Trump over protections for some undocumented immigrants in the U.S.
The group interrupted a Pelosi press conference in her home district to object to the framework of an agreement that would preserve the Dream Act while increasing border security. The protesters indicated they are unhappy with a proposed deal that focuses only on continued protection for those in the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA, but does not include comprehensive immigration reform.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/nancy-pelosi-shouted-down-immigration-activists-news-conference-n802446
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)JI7
(89,174 posts)told them they don't speak for them or represent them.
said it's about personal fame now for andiola and vargas who are a couple.
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)about to speak.
It seems the people behind this "protest" against the only person with any power, and who is the only one fighting for them do not know very much and they're being led by people who never bothered to figure out any portion of basic civics.
These are American kids, most of whom grew up here, and were educated in American schools, somehow the ones who didn't learn basic manners also missed out a few other lessons.
Those kids standing right behind Nancy, they were Dreamers who did. What's the difference between them? Everyone is angry and afraid, but one group is smart enough to work with the people who are trying to help them, while the other was perfectly fine with letting others use them to attack Democrats for failing to wave a magic want to fix everything in on fell swoop in exactly the way they imagined.
Who's leading these people and how to educate the ones who are living in fantasy land making asses of themselves?