I wasnt an Obama or Bill Clinton supporter, I was a democratic party supporter

[Eliot Rosewater]

and they rose to the top of my party and as a result I supported them.

The more I learned about both, Barack especially, the more I liked them and supported them, but they were Democrats first.

We have a simple process in many ways here in America. The most simple part of all is you get two choices, you ONLY get two, you have always only gotten two and for the foreseeable future you will only get two. Two.

So for me it is simple, I never support republicans, I always support Democrats. The individual is far less important than the party.

[PoliticAverse]

1. You get more than 2 choices however only one of 2 will you likely receive. n/t

[world wide wally]

2. Thomas Jefferson wanted a two party system for a very good reason

His reasoning was that with more than two parties, it would be very unlikely that any of our Presidents would be elected with a true majority of the people.

[Voltaire2]

3. well he and his buddies designed a system that deliberately rigged the presidential elections to not

be a majority vote system, and put together an upper chamber of congress that also took a giant poop on representative democracy. It was not entirely his fault, other emerging republics of the period also were implemented by wealthy elites who absolutely did not want the great unwashed masses to have a say in how things were run. Plus slaves. We implemented a Republic that legalized slavery.

It would not be until the mid 20th century that we decided that actually "one person one vote" was sort of the point, managed to enfranchise all people instead of only some, and even then only halfheartedly as we continued to maintain both the electoral college and the vastly unrepresentative senate (although a bit earlier we at least started electing senators instead of appointing them.)

We are at the moment staring at the emergence of a one party system, which is sort of the inevitable outgrowth of a corrupt two party system. It is not implausible that in the relatively near future voting here will be about as meaningful as it was in the Soviet Union.

[UTUSN]

4. Yip, one wingnut slur was to call us "idolators"/Kool-Aid of (fill in blank/individuals)

My e-mail sparring wingnut used to call me (all of us Dems) "worshippers" of OBAMA/Hillary/whomever.

I shut him down (after repeating this: ) I am a partisan of the DemocratIC Party's AGENDA, which for me consists of::

1- Civil Rights
2- Social Justice
3- Stewardship of the planet
4- Civil liberties

and that the leader-of-the-moment is the instrument of the AGENDA, not my "idol". That said, however, once they've passed into history I just might be an idolater (think, FDR, Eleanor, HST, LBJ).