What kind of cognitive dissonance exists when a draft dodging asshole tries to lecture the nation

[Augiedog]

on respect for the flag?

[HughBeaumont]

1. A draft-dodging, white-supremacist-coddling fascist at that.

One who has engaged in racist business practices and stiffed small businesspersons also.

[pwb]

2. At my induction physical they checked for flat feet not bone spurs that got dotard his 4f exemption.

I think only veterans should stand at events. We would honor each other that way and thats all the respect i want.

[BigOleDummy]

4. This

Veteran agrees with you.

[keithbvadu2]

18. flat feet 1967 enlisting no problem

1980 coming back in.

flat feet - doctor changed form from 'fit for enlistment' to 'fit for reenlistment'

I asked him if flat feet would have kept me out if coming in for the first time in 1980.

He did not say yes,,,, he did not say no.

Just kinda shrugged.

[DK504]

24. He had a note from daddy's doctor say he had pain

pure little baby. He play every sport in high school, seems it never bothered him then.

[pwb]

34. Or when he golfs.

Only when it was time to step up. Just like all the other tough guy pukes.

[tiptonic]

3. 5 deferments

Comrade Benedict donald and his 5 deferments, knows all about patriotism and the flag.

[Timmygoat]

5. I have not heard him screech

About Kushner's Email account, when will he shout 'lock him up' at his rallies.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

6. It's his elitist nature.

I suspect his elitist upbringing and coddled, penthouse-oriented adult life block any cognitive dissonance.

Further, I still refuse to believe he initiates and writes all these Tweets. I suspect they are carefully, tactically planned by his minders with the primary objective of creating maximum confusion, fear and anger in the public. Just look at all the massive coverage over a routine political rally and its aftermath this weekend.

They know exactly how to keep 'em dumb, delusional, distraught and distracted!

[erronis]

16. Echo that analysis. He's no more in control than President* Merkin.

* Muffley to be exact. I don't want to offend pubic wigs by that rag o'muffin on drumpf's head.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

17. LOL, you guys are too sharp for Monday mornings.

Honestly had to look that one up, but now you've got me craving a rerun - thanks!

[SammyWinstonJack]

20. Spot on.

[ExciteBike66]

7. Let's not get critical of draft dodging...

Trump is a dick, but the draft is a form of slavery and should be dodged by anyone who values freedom.

I volunteered for the Army (many years after the end of the draft), but I hope I would have burned my draft card if I had been of age in the 1960's.

[billh58]

12. Dodging the draft for a principle

is very different from dodging the draft out of cowardice. I volunteered as well, but I served with many draftees who were proud to serve.

[ExciteBike66]

13. Oh I agree that there are different reasons, but I don't think we should shame even

those who dodge out of mere cowardice. I mean, if more men in the world avoided military service, it is almost assured that the world would be a better place.

Either way, the OP does not make a distinction and appears to use the epithet "draft dodgers" in a negative sense. I disagree.

[billh58]

14. I agree with the OP. n/t

[ExciteBike66]

15. You agree that all draft dodgers ought to be shamed? Or you sense the OP

making the same distinction you and I are making?

[billh58]

28. I agree with the OP.

"All" is the straw man argument of the right-wing, and you are the only one using that phrasing. Some draft dodgers should be shamed, some should not. YMMV.

[ExciteBike66]

31. My question is which draft dodgers should be shamed?

Once again, the draft is a form of slavery. I argue that we should not shame anyone who avoids such a regime. In fact, considering the goals of the Vietnam war and the way it was fought, I think we should actually commend anyone who refused to serve at that time. I am not saying we should shame those who did serve, I believe the government lied to them and I cannot hold them accountable for decisions they did not make themselves.

So my question to you is who would you shame and why?

[billh58]

33. Your axe should be well ground

by now. I remain in agreement with the OP.

[ExciteBike66]

35. I'm just curious why a Democrat would want to shame people who are cowards.

I mean, we don't shame the hundreds of thousands of people who fled Lower Manhattan on 9/11, even while we praise those to ran in the direction of the towers to help.

I'm sorry if I feel the need to draw this line of argument out, but I am sincerely hoping to change your mind regarding people who are too scared to fight in a war.

[billh58]

36. And I'm curious why you

want to hijack this thread with an argument which has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the Orange Anus-mouth dodged the draft because he is a coward, and is deriding POC because they are showing courage. The OP does NOT lump all draft dodgers into one group -- it is you who have done that.

[ExciteBike66]

37. Now you are mis-characterizing my opinion.

I did not lump all draft dodgers together, in fact I mentioned both cowards and principled dodgers in my comments.

My latest comments have been directed at you personally because you are the one who is saying you think we should be shaming certain people in society. I am interested in who you want to shame and the reasons for your opinion.

We tease Melania Trump all the time for her "anti-bullying" crusade, but so far you have not denied that you yourself believe we should be bullying certain people.

[billh58]

38. Bub bye Bubba... n/t

[ExciteBike66]

39. It is sad that you chose not to explain your position that bullying is justified

in the case of cowards who dodge the draft. I for one chose not to block you even though it is clear you are a bully, and I am sticking to that choice because I believe you can change your mind.

[bluepen]

30. +1

[PatSeg]

8. Or one who would collude

with a foreign adversary and praise oppressive dictators?

[IronLionZion]

9. STDs were like his own personal Vietnam

and he went to military school.

[L. Coyote]

10. Distraction at its finest. #WealthyCare, #TrumpRussia, Illegitimate elections, lots to cover up.

[Botany]

11. "What kind of cognitive dissonance exists when a draft dodging asshole tries to lecture the nation?

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When a % of that nation who listens to Fox, Rush, and other right wing whack a doddle crap
and do not realize that they are being lied to.

In 2004 the same right wing bull shit industry sold people that John Kerry, who was awarded
3 purple hearts, a bronze star, and silver star that he was a coward and in 2016 they blamed
Hillary for email crimes for just doing he job.

20 to 30% of Americans are really fucked in the head* and they get their brains refilled w/
garbage and lies on a daily basis too.


*

Fox New's new distraction machine, Tomi Lauren.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

19. Yea, I ain't got over Kerry yet either.

Never forget or forgive anti-Kerry lie-filled brochures passed out in Southern Baptist churches. That one should have been a clear warning that they will stop at nothing to win. Of course, Nixon/Agnew did even worse things.

[DemoTex]

21. Then: Swiftboating chickenhawks.

Now: Trump, the draft-dodging bone spur survivor who likes Vietnam air combat vererans who "weren't shot down."

[KY_EnviroGuy]

23. Kerry.

I can really get my feathers ruffled over that one (and Al Gore as well), but I will say I deeply respect John Kerry for picking himself up, moving on, and doing a masterful job as Secretary of State. Outstanding, intelligent, brave man with the best of character!

[Botany]

22. know your enemy .... creative response concepts

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Creative_Response_Concepts

[KY_EnviroGuy]

25. Thanks, that's a great Wiki page - definitely a bookmark!

I'm sure you understand that those of us raised up to deal with our fellow man in fairness and truth really struggle with these actions. I really fear for the future of our country when we elect people who do not believe in the concept of public service and lie constantly to gain power. And, they've co-opted many of our churches, substantial media outlets, and sectors of our military as partners.

As a life-long Democrat, my strong revulsion toward them began in the '60s as I watched Spiro Agnew go around the country spewing hatred, covert racism and lies. Prior to that, I mainly recall just Bob Done on TV grumbling about taxes, and someone had cans of Goldwater soda pop.

They seem to only believe in public control rather than public service, which perfectly suits their minders and donors. Hard to maintain hope in these times, but we must not let them get us down.

Sorry for the rant - I'm relatively new at DU and have a large backlog of venting to do, LOL.

[Botany]

27. In 2004 I met and talked to the man Kerry pulled out of the river in Vietnam ....

.... Kerry took shrapnel in his shoulder, saved the man's life, and had his boat return
fire to the jungle where his boat was taking fire from.

Go ahead rant away.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

32. Had to be interesting!

Was his initials "JR" (ref. Wiki)? I see that he actively supported Kerry.

It's been quite an uplifting experience finding DU, although I'm a little late. In only a month or so, I've chatted with a fellow that was an on-the-scene official at the 9/11 recovery operation, with a lady that personally knows an astronaut, and you - with a Kerry connection! Plus, the wit and humor of this bunch is amazing, so I've found my giggle-box again. Vastly helps the stress of retirement, LOL.

[NightWatcher]

26. And whos fans typically wave confederate flags around...

[billh58]

29. K & R n/t