** Breaking**NK says Trump declared war

[SummerSnow]

North Korea asserts a right to shoot down U.S. bombers

By Carol Morello September 25 at 11:37 AM

North Korea’s foreign minister on Monday asserted that the pariah state has the right to defend itself by shooting down U.S. planes, even if they are not in the country’s airspace.

Ri Yong Ho, speaking to reporters at a hotel across the street from the United Nations, said President Trump’s comments at the General Assembly last week constituted a declaration of war.

“The whole world should clearly remember it was the U.S. who first declared war on our country,” he said. “Since the United States declared war on our country, we will have every right to make countermeasures, including the right to shoot down United States strategic bombers even when they are not inside the airspace border of our country.”

Ri’s remarks were the most direct and threatening so far since Trump gave a combative address to the General Assembly last week in which he threatened to “totally destroy” North Korea.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/north-korea-asserts-its-right-to-shoot-down-us-bombers/2017/09/25/74da66c4-a204-11e7-8cfe-d5b912fabc99_story.html?pushid=59c923b7d4ac501c0000005c&tid=notifi_push_breaking-news&utm_term=.e870feac00d7


** damn, his mouth is writing checks his ass can't cash. I knew this would happen**

Just hush Trump don't start shit. SHUT UP

[JenniferJuniper]

1. I don't think I can argue with that conclusion

[SummerSnow]

2. me either.

[sarisataka]

6. You believe NK

Has the right to shoot down planes in international air space?

[SummerSnow]

10. No, that is what the article says not me.

[sarisataka]

12. You agreed with the post

I replied to which stated " I don't think I can argue with that conclusion"

[SummerSnow]

15. Did he not threaten NK ?

When you threaten someone they usually retaliate with a threat. that does not mean I agree with them shooting down planes.

[sarisataka]

28. He did,

But answering stupid with greater stupid will not help anything. If NK actually acted on their threat the US would be justified in attacking NK

[SummerSnow]

32. I agree.

[JenniferJuniper]

11. Not what I said.

I was referring to the conclusion that Trump has declared war on NK.

[sarisataka]

14. Presidents do not declare war

That power is reserved to Congress and is a specific legal act.

[JenniferJuniper]

17. I'm talking about Kim's conclusions

Do you really think he understands how it works? Really?

[sarisataka]

23. I suspect Kim's knowledge

Of our Constitution is on our with Trump's. I have more hope that Kim can be educated.

[JenniferJuniper]

33. More knowledge than Trump does not

equal knowledgeable.

[sarisataka]

38. True

And I hold little hope we can teach the WH occupant that China is and always has been the key to reigning in NK

[MyNameGoesHere]

55. Congress has abdicated that power

When they allowed a president to declare war in Iraq. So yeah it can happen again

[Voltaire2]

13. No. I don't. But Trump did basically declare war.

NK is just responding in kind, threatening to retaliate in response to Trump's threat to eliminate their government.

Most likely an actual operation to do that would use air power. I

[SummerSnow]

16. Thank you

[sarisataka]

18. There is a big difference

Between stupid words and actually taking aggressive action. So far it is all stupid words and hopefully empty bravado

[Voltaire2]

31. On both sides.

But from NK's perspective there is a very real fear of military action by the US. That is what they saw in Iraq and Libya, and that is why they are building nukes and working on a demonstrated capability to deliver those weapons via mobile long range missiles.

[sarisataka]

36. For years NK has been a small aggressive dog

Barking while straining at its leash.

Until this administration the big dog has been wise enough and had enough self confidence to ignore it. Hopefully this cur can be kept distracted so he doesn't actually do anything stupid.

[Nevernose]

53. "A small, aggressive dog..."

Small, yes. How many North Koreans are on our border? Who refuses to acknowledge the other country's right to exist? Who is flying stealth bombers -- quite possibly carrying nuclear bombs -- off the coast of the other one? How many countries has North Korea invaded since the war (and even "invasion" is debatable, since it was a civil war)?

North Korea: zero countries or carpet bombed. Not super aggressive, even including the occasional minor border spat that both groups of Koreans manage to stir up.

Since the Korean War, just off the top of my head, for America: Libya, Syria, Iraq, Bosnia, Serbia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Yemen, Grenada, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Colombia, Macedonia, Haiti, Panama, Lebanon... And those are just the places where actual US troops went into combat. That's not counting the vast international garrisons or the countless CIA-backed military operations conducted by other people on American behalf. Does North Korea spend a ridiculous amount of their GDP on the military? Yep. About $20 billion a year -- or less than 5% of just our F-35's program budget.

It's the US that are the world's warmongers. Given our record, it would probably but stupider for them NOT to build nuclear missiles.

At the very least, the United States had no business involving ourselves, as we've long since lost any shred of moral authority or credibility.

[sarisataka]

54. I will defer

To the citizens of South Korea if they think they were invaded in 1950.

I don't recall the US having any policy that NK should not exist. The North believes that there should be a united Korea, governed from Pyongyang of course.

Perhaps the presence of US troops and the risk of a wider war has dampened NK's desire to reunite with the South by any and all means.

Can we get opinions from the 200k residents of the camps at Kaechon, Yodok, Hwasong, and a dozen others... Concentration Camp is such a twentieth century term

[Nevernose]

56. Why not defero the citizens of North Korea?

And while we're soliciting opinions from inmates, perhaps we could ask the 80,000 or so in solitary confinement in American prisons? Or one of the thousands of American inmates who are brutalized in some form or fashion every day? Or maybe ask ourselves why we imprison more people per capita than North Korea does? The prison conditions in much of the developing world are just as bad, and yet we don't seem concerned; could the answer be because our motivation isn't actually moral, but political? We fucked up Iraq worse in twenty years than the Kim family did to their own country in 70 years, so why aren't people calling for an invasion of the US? How many people have starved to death in Yemen TODAY because of the US?

The United States lacks any and all moral authority in Korea. Hell, we propped up a repressive South Korean military dictatorship for forty years while screaming about "freedom" and bombing the holy living shit out of half the countries on the planet. The US is killing -- both directly and indirectly -- thousands of people across the globe every single day.

[sarisataka]

57. Apparently you have

No issue with aggression as long as it is not the US.

Defering to North Korea on their 1950 invasion would be like asking Germany what did Poland do to provoke you...

[Hoyt]

19. How much leeway do you think we'd give a NK bomber flying near us?

NK knows they can't go around shooting our bombers in international airspace, but maybe we ought not try to cut it too closely if we are smart. This wouldn't be the first international incident started over a dispute as to whether aircraft was within 12 nautical miles of a country or had veered off course.

[sarisataka]

30. About the same as

We give the Russian bombers that regularly fly up and down our coasts.

I don't know, not would I reveal, our operational orders for planes flying near NK airspace but I would hope we have a good safety cushion on that 12 mile limit to avoid any "accidents" because if we did cross NK can fire away...

[Hoyt]

37. I bet we'd buzz them several hundred or more miles out, with rockets fired well in international

waters.

It wouldn't surprise me if we were on them by the time they left their international waters and Trump would be wetting himself and telling all our white wing, civilian gunners to prepare to shoot down their planes with their AR15s.

[sarisataka]

41. The only long range bomber

NK has is the Il-28. It would need several refueling stops to reach the US coast

[Hoyt]

43. They aren't much of a threat, are they? We can tell the militia to stand down.

[sarisataka]

45. I think we are safe

Pulling our coast watchers off duty

[Hoyt]

48. LOL!

[Bettie]

42. I believe that is what they believe

and that it is one valid conclusion to draw from the Dotard's statements.

Did the Idiot in Chief mean that? How can anyone know what that orange blob of stupid means?

[sarisataka]

47. I think he forgets

90% of his BS before it leaves his mouth. Unfortunately people hear 100% and have to try and filter what is his intention from a lot of noise

[Voltaire2]

9. Pretty much.

[still_one]

29. It takes Congress for war to be declared technically

[hedda_foil]

3. "The right to shoot down planes even if they are not in North Korea's air space."

Fuck! That means they may just start shooting down both commercial and military planes in South Korea, the Sea of Japan, almost anywhere in Asia for a start.

We have always been at war with Eastasia.

On edit: The foreign minister is still in the US, after the UN meetings last week. I wonder if he formally hand-delivered a Declaration of War?

Please Congress and Mr. Mueller, get a hook and drag that flaming a$$hole off the stage before he starts World War III, if he hasn't already gone and done it.

[BigmanPigman]

4. I am watching MSNBC without the sound since Huckabee Sanders

was on and I hate her. I read on the bottom of the screen "US is not at war with N Korea". I wondered what that was about.

[nancy1942]

5. Sums it up pretty much.

[Beausoleil]

7. The "president" has no right to declare war.

Kim knows this.

More bluster. Actually trying to set drumpf off.

[Voltaire2]

21. Since WWII the president has initiated hostilities

on many occasions without any declaration of war from congress. In fact we have basically been fighting a war somewhere since 1941, and there has only been one congressional declaration of war during that period.

So no there is no reason to believe that Trump has to get approval from congress before attacking North Korea.

[SummerSnow]

24. True, but remember President Truman bypassed Congress to go to war in Korea.

Do you think Trump will do this. He's drooling to do this.

[samnsara]

8. time to text RESIST to 50409 and tell your state..

Congress to begin impeachment hearings NOW!

[The_Casual_Observer]

20. What exactly would trump do if they shoot down one of those planes?

This may get interesting.

[RKP5637]

25. My hunch is he's going to test it, and all hell might break out. n/t

[SummerSnow]

26. I think he will then actually declare war and attack NK

[harun]

27. Declaring war is so 20th century. We just push buttons now.

[NickB79]

39. Full-on bombing campaign, most likely

Lots of strikes by F-117 stealth fighters and B-2 stealth bombers to take out strategic weapon sites and anti-aircraft systems, followed by saturation bombing using B-1 and B-52 bombers. Very high chance NK gets at least 1 nuke, maybe more, airborne, in which case you can kiss a good portion of US military assets in South Korea goodbye. Seoul would be decimated by NK artillery even if they don't throw a nuke their way. Probably see strikes on Japan, either chemical or nuclear. A nuclear launch by NK would probably bring down a US tactical nuke on Pyongyang in response, pissing off the Russians and Chinese to no end.

Assuming WWIII doesn't break out, the best-case scenario is millions dead in North and South Korea within a few days, possibly hundreds of thousands dead and injured in Japan, radioactive fallout spreading throughout the region, and tens of millions of North Koreans either starving to death or making a desperate run for the Chinese border. Even odds whether China would let them through, or set up razor wire and machine gun nests. The loss of South Korea's economy and the drain on China's if they try to rebuild NK would cause a global economic crash, and the destruction of any goodwill we have left with China for causing them such grief.

In a perfect world, Trump would be impeached almost immediately and sent to prison for life, but these days, who knows?

[gordianot]

52. The F-117 was withdrawn from service in 2008.

The B-2 is not needed and is a very expensive asset. Not to worry there are still many nasty surprises in the age of drones.

[sarisataka]

44. Most likely

A wide spread strike on NK AA defenses, radar installations and headquarters.

Such a retaliation would pass with minimal condemnation from other countries an seriously increase the vulnerability of NK nuclear and missile programs

[RKP5637]

22. My hunch is Trump will send a drone over/near NK to see what happens! IMO we're on the edge.

This is all insanity at its worst!

[Madam45for2923]

34. Donald & this guy are in cahoots.

[Binkie The Clown]

35. The Korean War never actually ended.

There is a truce in effect, but the war is still, officially, going on.

[NickB79]

40. Does that mean Trump can actually re-initiate bombing without approval of Congress?

Holy crap, that could be the loophole a lot of people in this thread didn't think of.

[zipplewrath]

46. Yup, and that limits NK

Yes, there was a cease fire agreement that is still in effect. NK "declared" war on SK and we intervened on their behalf per a UN declaration. Kim is limited in what he can do based upon the agreement that was signed in the '50s. Unless we violate that agreement, it is still in effect. If he violates it, then Trump would be relatively free to act within confines of the UN resolutions that are still in place.

Quite honestly, one of many mistakes we've made in the last 30 years or so was not addressing the nuclear problem with NK under the guise of "ending" the war between North and South Korea. With China's help, we could have arrange to remove our troops, end the DMZ region, and stabilized the Korea's. I suspect unfortunately, that the military preferred to be maintaining the presence there under this political cover, in order to have significant presence in the larger region.

[Oneironaut]

49. Why should this be taken any more seriously than the rest of the wacky rhetoric out of North Korea?

Does anyone really believe that NK is going to start shooting planes down in international territory? They aren't stupid.

If you listened to North Korea, we should have been nuked 100 times now. Their rhetoric is always over the top and silly.

[Corey_Baker08]

50. It's Only A Matter Of Time I Promise You That!

Unfortunately unlike Afghanistan & Iraq I strongly believe NK will attack the United States & territories with bombs & missiles...

[Warpy]

51. NK has been telling its people that the US attack will come tomorrow

for over 50 years, so this headline in their newspaper is nothing terribly new.

What is new is having a malignant narcissist psycho in the WH who is going to blow a major gasket over it when some idiot tells him.