So, is the bill officially killed?

[MoonRiver]

Or do the asswipes have another trick up their collective sleeve?

[LuckyCharms]

1. Not dead until midnight 9/30. n/t

[MoonRiver]

2. tick tock, tick tock...

[LuckyCharms]

3. Clarification:

After 9/30, they can't use reconciliation to pass, and therefore need 60 votes to pass it then. Until 9/30, they only need 50 votes and Pence tiebreaker.

It certainly appears dead though, but since people can change their minds, it is not over until it is over.

edit: spelling and further clarification.

[MoonRiver]

4. But is Chumpy tired of winning yet?

[LuckyCharms]

7. If this is winning...

It hurts. Too stressful. I'm glad it appears like the bill will fail, but jeez, going through this every few weeks is awful.

[MoonRiver]

10. Agree, ugh

[PJMcK]

12. Are you tired of all the winning yet? (n/t)

[unblock]

5. further clarification:

after 9/30, they can't use reconciliation until they pass a new budget, then they can try again.

once per year. all we get is a breather on aca repeal while they screw up the budget first.
when they're done with that, they can take another swipe at aca repeal, until 9/30/18.

and so on each year....


one can hope they have the wisdom to give up, but one counts on the wisdom of republicans at one's own peril....

[LuckyCharms]

13. I wonder how they will handle tax reform now?

They probably won't be able to pass anything meaningful if the ACA repeal fails, so they will just go to sleep for the rest of the fiscal year and then come back next year 2 days before the deadline with some new horrible shit on healthcare.

[unblock]

20. it's entirely possible that they might just focus on tax cuts via reconciliation in 2018

i rather suspect they would prefer to avoid more potentially embarrassing fails on aca repeal in an election year.
then they'll take it up again in 2019 if they still hold the house and senate.

[MoonRiver]

14. Excuse me but saying Repukes and wisdom together is the ultimate oxymoron.

But I know you knew that!

[underpants]

16. I still don't understand how the last FAIL wasn't their last chance

When McCain gave the thumbsdown.

As I understood it at the time that was their last chance to use reconciliation.

[MoonRiver]

18. That's what I thought too...

but nooooooooooooo

[unblock]

19. yeah that i really don't understand either -

they can have up to 3 reconciliation bills per year, one each on spending, revenue, and debt ceiling.

this clearly has nothing to do with debt ceiling, but perhaps they did one as spending reconciliation and the other as revenue reconciliation?

i'm just guessing here.

[marylandblue]

6. This zombie has come back from the dead 4 times

The only way to kill it is to chop off its head, burn the body, stomp on the ashes and bury them in 2018.

[yallerdawg]

8. I bet McConnell pulls it - and moves on.

This bill is worse than other rejected 'repeal and replace' tries.

Tomorrow, Republicans are going to see Trump and McConnell can't carry one of their loyal own - in Alabama!

Time for the rats to flee this sinking ship!

[PJMcK]

15. That's what I've been thinking

Republicans rarely like to vote on bills they know won't pass. Usually, if they don't have the votes locked down, they pull the bill to avoid any embarrassments.

On the other hand, maybe McConnell will hold the vote so that the base can see how each Senator voted.

As long as the damn bill doesn't become law, people have a chance.

[PoliticAverse]

9. "it's not over 'til it's over". n/t

[BigmanPigman]

11. NO, STAY VIGILANT!!! DO NOT TRUST THEM!!!

Lots of $$$$$$$ is involved so you can bet they will be making backroom deals until Oct 1st. KEEP CALLING!!! [phone] THANKS!

[MoonRiver]

17. Agree!

In solidarity!

[Madam45for2923]

21. The fat lady sings on October 1st, and not a minute sooner!

[kentuck]

22. It's not over 'til it's over.

We will know when the final vote is taken, if they go through with it?

[Warpy]

23. Not until/unless it is voted down

I will not believe the stake has been driven into whatever passes for its heart until that happens.