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Tanuki

(14,909 posts)
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 05:20 AM Sep 2017

Gen. Michael Hayden: Put me down with Kaepernick

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/opinion/white-house/352419-michael-hayden-in-trump-versus-nfl-standing-up-for-free-speech%3famp

..."And then President Trump, before a red-hot Alabama crowd of his political base, decided to treat the "SOBs" who wouldn't stand for the anthem the way he has previously treated other groups like Mexicans (murderers and rapists), intelligence professionals (Nazis), immigrants (deeply unfair), refugees (dangerous) and Muslims (they hate us).

When in political stress, attack the "other" - those dark forces that allegedly threaten our way of life - and pay no attention to the lack of legislative progress on ObamaCare or anything else, a careening crisis with a nuclear North Korea or the destruction of civilized life on an island territory of the United States.
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There were tough choices to make: respect for the flag, respect for the anthem, respect for your teammates, respect for justice, respect for your fans, respect for free speech. The president had created what logicians call a false dilemma, that support for free speech or for teammates equated to disrespect for flag, anthem or country. And he did it for political advantage.
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On Sunday, three full teams did not go out for the anthem, almost all players and coaches locked arms, and more than 200 in the NFL knelt, sat or otherwise demonstrated their displeasure.

And, to be specific, their displeasure was largely with President Trump and what he had said about them, their teammates and their rights. Forced again to defend the indefensible, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders on Monday said the president's Huntsville stand was about "honoring the men and women who fought to defend" the flag.

As a 39-year military veteran, I think I know something about the flag, the anthem, patriotism, and I think I know why we fight. It's not to allow the president to divide us by wrapping himself in the national banner. I never imagined myself saying this before Friday, but if now forced to choose in this dispute, put me down with Kaepernick."

Gen. Michael Hayden is a former director of the CIA and 

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Gen. Michael Hayden: Put me down with Kaepernick (Original Post) Tanuki Sep 2017 OP
Freaking wow! malaise Sep 2017 #1
As am I! waltben Sep 2017 #2
Gen. Hayden gets it. gademocrat7 Sep 2017 #3
I wish a team Scarsdale Sep 2017 #4
Defenders have his number, all scramble, poor pass elias7 Sep 2017 #5
When you have to compel patriotism, it stops being patriotism and becomes something else Major Nikon Sep 2017 #6
hayden????? wow!! niyad Sep 2017 #7
Kaboom!!! ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #8
I also will stand with Kapernack Gothmog Sep 2017 #9
Put me with those two Gentlemen leanforward Sep 2017 #10
"A false dilemma" Corvo Bianco Sep 2017 #11
I was with Kaepernick long before Friday ProfessorPlum Sep 2017 #12
Good for him. nt DLevine Sep 2017 #13
One small problem -- not "forced" rainin Sep 2017 #14

malaise

(268,553 posts)
1. Freaking wow!
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 05:32 AM
Sep 2017
As a 39-year military veteran, I think I know something about the flag, the anthem, patriotism, and I think I know why we fight. It's not to allow the president to divide us by wrapping himself in the national banner. I never imagined myself saying this before Friday, but if now forced to choose in this dispute, put me down with Kaepernick."


This!

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waltben

(31 posts)
2. As am I!
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 06:30 AM
Sep 2017

I also learned about the flag, the anthem, patriotism and why we fight after my twenty years worth.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
4. I wish a team
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:14 AM
Sep 2017

would give Colin a job. He deserves one. He works out every day and would be an asset to a team needing a quarterback. He knows what hard work is, unlike any member of the tRump clan.

elias7

(3,989 posts)
5. Defenders have his number, all scramble, poor pass
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 11:55 AM
Sep 2017

Maybe a few teams would have an offense set up for that style of play, but I believe that has been the main issue, not his protesting, though that has been the nail in the coffin until now. Perhaps with that piece removed, this brave man will find an NFL home.

ProfessorPlum

(11,253 posts)
12. I was with Kaepernick long before Friday
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 05:10 AM
Sep 2017

But glad to see Hayden come down on the side of rights and justice.

rainin

(3,010 posts)
14. One small problem -- not "forced"
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 11:00 AM
Sep 2017
"Forced again to defend the indefensible, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders on Monday said the president's Huntsville stand was about "honoring the men and women who fought to defend" the flag."

Sarah Huckabee Sanders is not "forced" to do anything. I would change that to "eager to defend the indefensible."

"Put me down with Kaepernick" needs to go viral.

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