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Have There Been Any Announcements Of The Official Death Toll On Puerto Rico?..... (Original Post) global1 Oct 2017 OP
First, the buildings... yallerdawg Oct 2017 #1
to which the Governor later responded that he had not heard of ANY inspections salin Oct 2017 #9
The last report I read; "16 dead and the number expected to climb in the coming days." ... DonViejo Oct 2017 #2
I read somewhere yesterday that everyone that was in ICU there died. I'm trying ting to find onecaliberal Oct 2017 #6
I read it, also. It's in an OP here on DU. DonViejo Oct 2017 #7
I read 16 somewhere -last week LeftInTX Oct 2017 #3
They really haven't been able to count them all. Lindsay Oct 2017 #4
I haven't gone to your link yet Control-Z Oct 2017 #8
officially the last number posted was 16 lapfog_1 Oct 2017 #5
Maybe. Maybe not. Igel Oct 2017 #10

salin

(48,955 posts)
9. to which the Governor later responded that he had not heard of ANY inspections
Sun Oct 1, 2017, 04:12 PM
Oct 2017

of buildings. Trump lies.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
2. The last report I read; "16 dead and the number expected to climb in the coming days." ...
Sun Oct 1, 2017, 02:10 PM
Oct 2017

Conjunctivitis has broken out and cholera is expected

onecaliberal

(32,779 posts)
6. I read somewhere yesterday that everyone that was in ICU there died. I'm trying ting to find
Sun Oct 1, 2017, 02:32 PM
Oct 2017

Where I saw it. There are far more than than 16 deaths. People have been without water for weeks. Humans cannot survive that. They haven't made it to very remote parts of the island yet either.

Lindsay

(3,276 posts)
4. They really haven't been able to count them all.
Sun Oct 1, 2017, 02:11 PM
Oct 2017

According to the Miami Herald, the official count is 16. But their article goes on to describe the difficulties in announcing and counting the deaths. And says that the morgues are full.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/weather/hurricane/article175955031.html

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
8. I haven't gone to your link yet
Sun Oct 1, 2017, 02:43 PM
Oct 2017

but I can't imagine 16 filling more than one very small morgue. And yet the maggot and his people keep touting that 16 number.

When the real numbers come to light, if they ever do, I guess they'll be saying things like "who could have imagined", "no-one could have known", or "island hurricanes are complicated".

Of course there's the angle they appear to already be pushing, "if those people weren't so damn lazy", "they don't try to help themselves", and "they expect someone else to do it all for them".

I despise these people.

lapfog_1

(29,192 posts)
5. officially the last number posted was 16
Sun Oct 1, 2017, 02:11 PM
Oct 2017

unofficially... it is likely to be in the hundreds.

There are anecdotal reports from people on the ground saying things like:

Families have buried loved ones in their front yards because there wasn't any way to transport the bodies elsewhere.

One report said at one hospital "Everyone in the ICU died when the emergency generator ran out of fuel" (no numbers were given but we could assume 3 or 4 people at a minimum).

As reporters penetrate into remote villages in the interior of the island, especially on the south-east quadrant of the island, I expect to hear more about people simply missing presumed dead.

Igel

(35,274 posts)
10. Maybe. Maybe not.
Sun Oct 1, 2017, 05:17 PM
Oct 2017

It wasn't a tsunami, and apart from the very sick who died from lack of electricity and meds the numbers aren't likely to be huge.

Most of the deaths in a hurricane are from loss of services.

A few drown, if there's flooding, but most have the good sense to get to higher ground that's relatively safe. Attics are a threat what with one entrance usually at the lowest point, and some people unthinkingly take refuge there to avoid both flood and the weather--it was a problem in Katrina. In Houston the media kept blasting the message to not go in the attic. Haven't seen any real information on storm surge

Most of the injuries are due to wind hurling debris around. When a structure fails and collapses, it's not usually the case there's no warning.

Irma left not so many dead--early numbers were 3, later reports were a bit higher. Similar storm surge, similar winds. That leaves the extended loss of power.

Now, there'll be other deaths. The all-knowing Internet says that the estimated death rate in PR for 2016 was 8.8/1000. If there are 3.4 million people, we'd expect 29,920 to die this year. For any random 10-day stretch we'd expect about 820 to die. The only way to sort out the death toll is statistical, not using anecdotes. It's cold but that's how it has to be done. I pointed this out when discussing Harvey numbers. Some people died because they drove into floodwaters in Houston; at the same time, having the freeways shut down kept people from dying in car crashes. You can identify the drowned, those who died as a direct result of Harvey, or Irma, or Maria; but it's damned hard to point to the individuals whose lives Harvey saved. The "cold, statistical" approach will also point out the difference, say, between the usual mortality rate and that caused, say, by lack of access to dialysis or fresh insulin or deaths due to cholera. It's not good news, it doesn't grip the viewer, there's nobody crying on tv.

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