The legacy of Activist Judge Antonin Scalia

[HAB911]

who trashed 200 years of rational #2ndAmendment law to pander to #NRA, is splattered with blood

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[sharedvalues]

1. Yes. Republican activist Scalia bears blame.

Scalia died while he was on a billionaire hunting gun-fest.

Could you find a single event that's a better metaphor for the modern GOP?

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3. There are limits!

Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.


"Miller stands only for the proposition that the Second Amendment right, whatever its nature, extends only to certain types of weapons. It is particularly wrongheaded to read Miller for more than what it said, because the case did not even purport to be a thorough examination of the Second Amendment."

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14. The decision increased guns in DC.

And therefore the decision means that kids are more likely to be killed by guns in DC. That's just reality.

[aikoaiko]

2. What, exactly, would be different without the Heller and McDonald decisions?

The decisions allowed homeowners to possess operational firearms in their homes and affirmed that the 2nd Amendment was an individual right (not a collective right) that could be heavily restricted (including gun bans or tight regulations of certain guns).

Gun control in this country is simply a matter of legislation. And it usually ranks as a low priority for Americans.

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5. Come on. Heller loosened gun laws

A common talking point for the pro-gun is
"Heller didn't actually affect anything".

False. The decision made it easier to possess a firearm. Do you deny that?

And made it easier to possess a firearm in DC where kids get killed with firearms regularly.
And the decision backed the bullshit "need a gun to defend my home" argument.

[aikoaiko]

8. It only made owning a operational firearm *In The Home* easier.

Really.

[sharedvalues]

9. Stop. You're embarrassing yourself

Heller
Loosened
Gun
Laws.

(It made it "easier to have an operational firearm in the home." That has big consequences for law enforcement of firearm possession.)


Scalia has blood on his hands for allowing more guns in our cities, where kids get killed with guns regularly.

[aikoaiko]

11. Prove it. Which gun laws were loosened as a result of Heller or McDonald?

I fully support the right of residents to have an operational firearm in their home. Law enforcement can handle the "big consequences" of such liberties.

Other than that, which laws were loosened *because* of Heller/McDonald?

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13. Firearms Control Regulations Act of 1975

See wikipedia.

Note Heller was funded by a fellow at the Cato (formerly Koch) Foundation.

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You said:
"I fully support the right of residents to have an operational firearm in their home. "

Then you're not for gun control in cities. And frankly, your position makes it more likely for innocent and kids in DC to be killed by guns. That's just statistical reality.

[aikoaiko]

15. I'm asking you what other gun laws were loosened as a result of Heller or McDonald

I already stipulated that Heller and McDonald allowed people in DC and Chicago to own operational handguns in their homes (i.e., Firearms Control Regulations Act of 1975 in the case of Heller).

Besides the laws involved in the Heller and McDonald decisions what laws were loosened as a result of Heller?

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16. You're saying SCOTUS decisions have no effect?

Really you're just being disingenuous now.

Scalia made a decision that increased the risk of gun violence against Americans.

Heller increased guns. We know more guns means more people killed.

[hack89]

4. Scalia says the 2A permits the strict regulations of guns.

isn't that what you want? AWBs, registration, magazine size limits, training requirements, licensing - all perfectly constitutional according to Scalia.

The OP is a fail on many levels. It talks about 200 years of laws but when you ask about them, you discover that there is not much there.

[sharedvalues]

7. But not handgun bans. Which would help

A handgun ban would help fewer kids get killed.


Bottom line: Scalia wanted looser gun restrictions. So does the GOP congressional delegation.
They both want more guns. They're both at fault for gun deaths in cities.

[hack89]

10. ok. nt

[meow2u3]

6. NRA - Not Rational Anymore nt

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12. may that fucker rot in hell

I would love to go take a shit on his grave