Watching Rachel discuss the timeline for last October 7 ... Was Access Hollywood tape a diversion

[hedda_foil]

3 pm. US releases the Russia hacking the election story.
3:30 (or so) Access H floods the zone with grab em by the pussy tape.
4:00 (about) wikileaks releases Podesta emails.

My question .. Were both of the scandal stories released by Russia to divert from the Russian interference in the election? I would never have thought of it at the time, but it sure feels like everything we've been through since then.

[spanone]

1. hmmmmmm

[JI7]

2. No wikileaks was to distract grim access hollywood

[rzemanfl]

3. Predictive or autocorrect? n/t

[JI7]

4. Autocorrect but in this case it fits more than what i was going for

So i will leave it

[rzemanfl]

7. K. I was sure Drumpf was done for that night. What needs to happen is for

people who were influenced by targeted propaganda to come forward and let experts look at their social media history. They probably won't though

[hedda_foil]

5. Yes, of course, but they'd want to be sure that nobody talked about or even noticed the real news

The emails alone couldn't guarantee it because the Clinton folks would use it to slam the Russians ... the opposite of what Russia wanted. Releasing the pussyfooting tape was guaranteed to take all of the media air out of the Russia story. Yes, it reflected terribly on Trump, but the Podesta tapes dusted the air time for the tape. It winds up a wash for the campaigns and a win for Russia.

[anneboleyn]

14. Exactly, though the MSM spent nearly EVERY SINGLE NIGHT discussing Podesta emails. The Trump

pussy tape was released by his people to distract from the Russia story. It got a Friday night dump, right after the Russia story, and it was guaranteed to dominate the news for a night or two and generate some negative attention, but it was spun to make Trump look "tough." Then the media almost immeately moved onto Podesta's emails and rammed stories about the "secrets" buried in these emails down our throats until the election. That was horribly damaging.

[Whiskeytide]

12. I think WL was to distract from ...

... the Russian interference announcement. A much more damaging story to the people involved. The access Hollywood tape was not a big deal to them. Trump seemed to be kind of proud of it, and his supporters could not have cared less. But Russia would have confused them. The Commies, and all. Just my take.

[JI7]

13. Access hollywood tapes hurt trump. It took comey to change things

[Whiskeytide]

15. I think it only hurt him ...

... with people who already hated him - for the most part, anyway. The republican establishment backed away from him to some extent, and Comey helped bring some of them back, I'm sure.

But I think by and large the two reactions to the AH tape were:

"Aha! I told you he was and ass!", or

"Meh. Locker room talk".

Anyone who suddenly saw the light after the tape was released wasn't going to unsee it after Comey. My opinion, anyway.

[certainot]

19. comey is a tool dependent on the idiot liberals ignoring talk radio for 30 years

none of the hillary email stuff has any credibility if it wasn't for dems and liberals stupidly and disastrously ignoring republican talk radio while a few hundred ignorant assholes on 1500 coordinated radio stations blasted 50 mil a week with think tank talking points.

the entire comey scenario depended on hillary emails, which have no significance without talk radio

[JI7]

20. Talk radio appeals to people who want to believe that shit.

[certainot]

21. but we can say that about global warming or its denial. my point is we're

going around in circles with cause and effect and we're giving a free speech free ride to the republican and now russian think tanks to blast the country with unchallenged repetition of whatever bullshit they want. talk radio is the only major medium with NO political counterpart so it is a definite advantage that we allow them to have. the entire benghazi /email issue is one of those that would have gone nowhere without that advantage - no other elements of rw media could have created it, and many other big lies, and as bush said - catapulted the propaganda- into the mainstream

[JI7]

22. No, we can't say that about global warming since that is based on science

[certainot]

23. republicans don't believe science

[SummerSnow]

6. I think it was, and Trump didnt care if it was released

cause 2 things he knew.

1. The media will keep talking about it
2. His supporters don't care

[malaise]

8. Said that on another thread

In hindsight it sure looks so

[Lint Head]

9. Right-wing bigots are easily fooled because they can only focus on one thing.

Propaganda generally works more so for people who don't really think or have discernment. There are exceptions to every rule.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

10. I think the

biggest story was the Acess Hollywood tapes. Wiki leaks was the distraction .

[hedda_foil]

11. True. But th e enormous government release of Russia hacking the election was the big one.

Russia certainly wouldn't wa t that story to gain currency and by the end of the day, that massively important story was pushed rather ght out of the news cycle on the DAY it was release.

[Dustlawyer]

16. Where was the blame for the media in all of this?

They chose to show the damn tape over and over, hit the Podesta/Hillary emails scandals heavy, to the exclusion of the Russian story. They buried the Russia story in print and on the networks. TPTB were playing a dangerous game with all of this to serve their ends. They wanted the end of the ACA mandates and tax cuts. Trump they thought (same as Putin did), was a useful idiot who would sign off on their dream legislation brought to him by McConnell and Ryan.

[certainot]

17. for all those fucking idiots who think rw radio is minor

consider what would have happened if 1500 talk radio stations doing 15 hrs /day had been geared toward spreading the story that the russians were helping trump as opposed to attacking podesta and clinton on behalf of the putin russians

[JHan]

18. The interesting thing about the hollywood tape was how Trump utilized it ..

at the second debate.

It was his justification for having that press conference with Bill Clinton's accusers, it was his "hey Bill did it too" moment - an equivocation he knew would rub off on Hillary. He understood the horse race mentality in the media, he knew he was being graded on a curve, and throughout the campaign, the objective was to drag Hillary down to his level. At the second debate, Trump was purposely despicable on the debate stage, threw red meat to his base by threatening to jail Hillary and stalk her on stage . He was channelling and performing Hillary Hate on stage. His supporters loved it.

And the release of the Podesta Tape was excellent timing:
1) provided wikileaks with traffic and they editorialized/weaponized the emails to target support for Clinton.
2) Emails + Clinton remained in the news.