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Sun Oct 8, 2017, 12:18 AM Oct 2017

OK I'm losing it-this is fucking insane! Why is Weinstein in trouble when Trump got away scott free?

Why is this turning into a massive scandal with Sen. Schumer, et. al, having to return campaign donations and Mika Brezenski acting all outraged but yet Donald J. Trump can be President of the United States with the media kissing his ass every day telling him how great he is. Let's recall what Trump did from Wikipedia:

Recording controversy and second 2016 presidential debate[edit]
Main article: Donald Trump and Billy Bush recording


Billy Bush was recorded having "an extremely lewd conversation about women" with Trump in 2005.
Two days before the second 2016 presidential debate, the 2005 Access Hollywood tape was released, which records Trump having "an extremely lewd conversation about women" in which he described being able to kiss and grope women because he was "a star": "You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it, you can do anything ... grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."[28] Many attorneys and media commentators have said that Trump's statements described sexual assault.
On October 7, Trump released a video statement in which he stated, "I said it, I was wrong, and I apologize." He called the development a distraction and attempted to deflect attention to the Clintons, and in particular sex scandals involving Bill Clinton. Republican critics called on him to withdraw from the presidential race.[28]
During the second debate, Anderson Cooper asked Trump if he understood that he had bragged about sexually assaulting women. Cooper used the Justice Department's sexual assault definition to include "any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient."[38][39] Trump denied that he had said that he had sexually assaulted women.[39][40] He claimed the comments were merely "locker room talk", then, after being asked three times whether he had ever kissed or groped any person without consent, he said "no I have not".[40] Several of his subsequent accusers said this was the moment at which they were motivated to come forward.[41][42][43]
Allegations of unwanted physical contact[edit]
In May 2016, The New York Times published the article "Crossing the Line: How Donald Trump Behaved with Women in Private". For the article, Times reporters Michael Barbaro and Megan Twohey conducted 50 interviews with women who had known Trump socially, during their professional career, or while modeling or competing for a beauty pageant title.[26]
Their accounts — many relayed here in their own words — reveal unwelcome romantic advances, unending commentary on the female form, a shrewd reliance on ambitious women, and unsettling workplace conduct, according to the interviews, as well as court records and written recollections. The interactions occurred in his offices at Trump Tower, at his homes, at construction sites and backstage at beauty pageants. They appeared to be fleeting, unimportant moments to him, but they left lasting impressions on the women who experienced them.
Other women interviewed for the story, a few of whom had worked for Trump, stated they had not received unwanted advances and "they had never known Mr. Trump to objectify women or treat them with disrespect." Jill Martin, a vice president and assistant counsel at the company, said that Trump was supportive of her and her role as a mother. Laura Kirilova Chukanov, a Bulgarian immigrant and 2009 Miss USA pageant contestant, said that Trump helped her make connections for a documentary that she was working on about her home country.[26]
Natasha Stoynoff, Mindy McGillivray, Jessica Leeds, and Rachel Crooks spoke out about their allegations in October 2016 after hearing Trump deny during the debate that he had ever assaulted women.[40][41][44] The Times stated that they verified the stories with friends and family members of the accusers to ensure that the stories had been relayed to them earlier.[45]
Jessica Leeds (1980s)[edit]
In the early 1980s, Leeds was a businesswoman at a paper company on a flight from the Midwest, returning to New York. A flight attendant offered her an empty seat in the first-class cabin next to Trump. Leeds alleged that about 45 minutes after takeoff, Trump lifted the armrest and began touching her, grabbing her breasts, and tried to put his hand up her skirt. "He was like an octopus," she said. "His hands were everywhere. It was an assault."[41][44] Leeds said she had sent a letter containing her allegations to the editor of The New York Times.[3][41]
Trump spokesman Jason Miller responded to the allegation calling it "fiction." Miller stated the charges were politically motivated "for this to only become public decades later in the final month of a campaign for president should say it all." Trump publicly threatened to sue the Times over the newspaper's publication of the allegation, and demanded a retraction.[46][47] The Times rejected Trump's retraction demand,[47][48] and Trump never followed through on his threat to take legal action against the company.[12] An alleged witness to the case who claimed he saw "nothing untoward" upon the flight was former British Conservative county councillor from Gloucestershire, Antony Gilberthorpe. Gilberthorpe has a history of making false allegations against politicians[49] and has been previously accused of making "advances of an intimate nature" towards Conservative students.[50]
Kristin Anderson (1990s)[edit]
On October 14, 2016, The Washington Post reported allegations by Kristin Anderson that Trump groped her beneath her skirt in a Manhattan nightclub in the early 1990s. An aspiring model at the time of the alleged incident, Anderson told the story to her friends, and decided to come forward after reading accounts of other women who had done so.[51] Anderson believed that the alleged assault occurred at the China Club, a Manhattan nightclub that Newsday referred to as "Donald's Monday-night nest" due to his alleged habit of picking up women there.[51]
Cathy Heller (1997)[edit]
In February 2016, Cathy Heller was interviewed off the record for an article for The Guardian in which she recounted how she was grabbed and kissed by Donald Trump two decades earlier.[52] Heller reports that, in 1997, she met Trump when she attended a Mother's Day brunch with her children, her husband, and her husband's parents at his Mar-a-Lago estate. Her parents-in-law were members of Mar-a-Lago. Heller was introduced to Trump, who became angry when she avoided a kiss. He then "grabbed" her and, when he tried to kiss her, she turned her head. Trump kissed her on the side of the mouth "for a little too long" and then he left her.[52][53]
Heller's husband and children, who were present during the event, have corroborated her account. In the summer of 2015, the members of Heller's mahjong group heard Heller's account of the 1997 incident; this was not long after Trump announced his candidacy.[54] She decided to go public after seeing the second presidential debate on October 9, 2016. Heller is a registered Democrat, and public supporter of Hillary Clinton.[52]
Trump campaign spokesperson Jason Miller stated that Heller's account is "false" and "politically motivated".[54]
Temple Taggart McDowell (1997)[edit]
Temple Taggart McDowell, Miss Utah USA in 1997, publicly accused Trump of unwanted kisses and embraces that left McDowell and one of her chaperones so uncomfortable, according to McDowell, that she claimed she was instructed not to be left in a room alone with him again. According to McDowell, a chaperone had accompanied her to Trump's office.[55] At the time, McDowell was 21 and was known as Temple Taggart.[3] This incident occurred in Trump's first year of ownership of the Miss USA contest.[3]
McDowell told her story initially to The New York Times in May 2016[55] which was published in the "Crossing the Line: How Donald Trump Behaved With Women in Private" article.[26] She had not intended to speak publicly about the incidents again, but she received numerous calls recently due to the "Crossing the Line" article and felt, as a mother, that it is important to share a message about unwanted advances: "You have the right to say no. You have the right to get out of there. You have the right to leave, and you have the right to make them feel uncomfortable if they're making you feel uncomfortable," she said. Trump stated that he does not know her and denied McDowell's claims.[55] He also told The New York Times that he is "reluctant to kiss strangers on the lips."[3]
Taggart McDowell stated that she is a Republican, and not coming out with the allegation in order to support Hillary Clinton.[56]
Karena Virginia (1998)[edit]
At an October 2016 press conference with attorney Gloria Allred, yoga instructor and life coach Karena Virginia stated that in 1998, Trump grabbed her arm and touched her breast. Virginia, who was 27 years old at the time, was waiting for a ride after the US Open in Queens, New York.[57] She stated that Trump, who she had not met previously, approached her with a small group of other men, while commenting on her legs, then he grabbed her right arm. Virginia continued, "Then his hand touched the right side of my breast. I was in shock. I flinched. ‘Don’t you know who I am? Don’t you know who I am?’ – that’s what he said to me. I felt intimidated and I felt powerless."[57]
Trump campaign spokesperson Jessica Ditto responded to the allegation with a statement reading in part, "Discredited political operative Gloria Allred, in another coordinated, publicity seeking attack with the Clinton campaign, will stop at nothing to smear Mr. Trump."[58]
Mindy McGillivray (2003)[edit]
In an article by The Palm Beach Post, Mindy McGillivray stated that in January 2003, when she was 23 years old, she was groped by Trump at his Mar-a-Lago estate.[3][43] She said, "All of a sudden I felt a grab, a little nudge. I think it's [my friend Ken Davidoff's] camera bag, that was my first instinct. I turn around and there's Donald. He sort of looked away quickly."[3] Ken Davidoff, a photographer, corroborated McGillivray's account, saying he remembered her pulling him aside moments after the alleged incident to say "Donald just grabbed my ass!"[43]
McGillivray said that she "chose to stay quiet"[40] and never reported the incident to authorities. She had only shared details of the incident with close family and friends until she heard Trump deny such behavior during the second presidential debate on October 9, 2016.[43] Hope Hicks, Trump's press secretary, stated that McGillivray's allegations lacked "any merit or veracity" and were untruthful.[40]
Ken Davidoff's brother, Darryl Davidoff, said that he was also present at the time at Mar-a-Lago, and stated that in his opinion McGillivray is lying.[59][60] According to Darryl: "I do not believe it really happened. Nobody saw it happen and she just wanted to be in the limelight."[59][c]
Rachel Crooks (2005)[edit]
In 2005, Rachel Crooks was a 22-year-old receptionist at Bayrock Group, a real estate investment and development company in Trump Tower in Manhattan. She says she encountered Trump in an elevator in the building one morning and turned to introduce herself. They shook hands, but Mr. Trump would not let go. Instead, he began kissing her cheeks, then directly on the mouth.[41][44] "It was so inappropriate," Crooks recalled in an interview. "I was so upset that he thought I was so insignificant that he could do that."[44] Her story was printed by The New York Times, along with that of Jessica Leeds.[41] Trump has categorically disputed Crooks' claims.[3] Crooks is a public supporter and donor to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.[61]
Natasha Stoynoff (2005)[edit]
Canadian author and journalist Natasha Stoynoff, who wrote for People magazine and, previously, the Toronto Star and Toronto Sun, went to Trump's Florida estate in December 2005 to interview him and his wife, Melania. While there, Trump gave Stoynoff a tour of the Mar-a-Lago estate. She says that during this tour, he pushed her against a wall and forced his tongue into her mouth.[3][40]
Stoynoff described the alleged episode, "We walked into that room alone, and Trump shut the door behind us. I turned around, and within seconds he was pushing me against the wall and forcing his tongue down my throat ... I was stunned. And I was grateful when Trump's longtime butler burst into the room a minute later, as I tried to unpin myself."[42] Stoynoff composed herself and conducted the interview,[3] after which she said Trump repeatedly told her, "We're going to have an affair, I'm telling you."[40][42] Melania was also interviewed for that article.[42]
Trump sent out a tweet on October 13, 2016, in which he said it had not happened and wondered why she had not mentioned the event in her People article of 2005.[3] Stoynoff responded that she had become angry when Trump denied assaulting women during the presidential debate and was triggered by the release of the Access Hollywood recording in early October. Until that point, she said, she had conflicting emotions common among victims of assault, combined with embarrassment and confusion. J.D. Heyman, People's deputy editor, said: "It was disorienting for her. She felt a great deal of worry and distress about it. Then she felt angry."[62]
That same day, Melania's lawyer demanded an apology from People magazine, stating that Melania did not say some or all of what was quoted in the People article by Stoynoff published on October 12, 2016; Melania specifically denied Stoynoff's claim that she'd run into her on Fifth Avenue following the article's publication.[63] In an interview with Anderson Cooper that aired October 17 on CNN, Melania again denied having crossed paths with Stoynoff on Fifth Avenue, as stated in Stoynoff's article. The following day, People published the account of Liza Herz. Herz said she witnessed the sidewalk encounter between Stoynoff and Melania Trump; Herz' account corroborated that of Stoynoff.[64]
On October 18, People produced six corroborating witnesses who said Stoynoff had recounted the incident to them around the time that it occurred.[64] The six witnesses were: "two editors from People, Mary Green and Liz McNeil; a professor of journalism, Paul McLaughlin; a co-worker; and two personal friends of Ms. Stoynoff."[65]
Trump's former butler at Mar-a-lago resort in Florida, Anthony Senecal, 85, was asked about the 2005 incident in which Ms Stoynoff alleged that the butler "burst in" on Mr Trump when she was pinned down by him; Senecal denied that ever happened. Mr. Senecal further states as a butler "I don’t burst in. I knock, then I go in, usually after someone says ‘come in'," further alleging "And when I went in, there was nothing strange about where she was standing."[66][67] According to Senecal, the alleged incident took place in a massage room with windows all around which made it unsuitable to grope anyone since there was no privacy.[66]
Jessica Drake (2006)[edit]
On October 22, 2016, Jessica Drake and attorney Gloria Allred held a news conference in which Drake accused Trump of having sexually assaulted her and two acquaintances nearly ten years prior. Drake, an adult film actress and sex education advocate, said that she met Trump at her company's booth during a charity golf tournament at Lake Tahoe in 2006. Drake claims that she was invited to meet with Trump, who was married at the time, at his hotel suite; she was "uncomfortable going alone" and brought two friends. Describing the meeting with Trump, Drake recounted that "He grabbed each of us tightly, in a hug and kissed each one of us without asking permission."[68] Drake stated that she and her friends left the suite after 30–45 minutes. Shortly thereafter, Drake claims she received phone calls from Trump or his associate, requesting that she join him in his suite for $10,000, and offering to fly her on his jet back to Los Angeles. She said she declined his offers.[68]
During the news conference, Drake said, "I am not looking for monetary compensation. I do not need additional fame... I understand that I may be called a liar or an opportunist but I will risk that in order to stand in solidarity with women who share similar accounts."[68][69] During the news conference, Gloria Allred held up a picture showing Trump and Drake standing together at the time.[68]
In response to Drake's allegations, the Trump campaign stated that her story is "false and ridiculous", that "[t]he picture is one of thousands taken out of respect for people asking to have their picture taken with Mr. Trump" but Trump did not know Drake and "would have no interest in ever knowing her," and that the story was "just another attempt by the Clinton campaign to defame a candidate."[70] Donald Trump appeared to dismiss the significance of the accusation because of Drake's line of work, saying, "Oh, I’m sure she’s never been grabbed before."[71][72]
Amanda Prestigiacomo, writing in The Daily Wire, has criticized Drake for suggesting that being greeted with a hug and a kiss without permission is "sexual assault".[73] According to Prestigiacomo, if this were to be "sexual assault" then everyone has been "sexually assaulted" numerous times, and making such a claim does a disservice to women who have actually faced sexual assault.[73]
Ninni Laaksonen (2006)[edit]
Ninni Laaksonen, Miss Finland 2006, appeared with Trump on the Late Show with David Letterman on July 26, 2006.[74] Laaksonen claims that before they went on the air, Trump grabbed her buttocks. As Laaksonen describes the interaction: "He really grabbed my butt. I don’t think anybody saw it but I flinched and thought: "What is happening?"[74] Someone later told Laaksonen that Trump liked her because she looked like his wife, Melania, when she was younger.[75][76][77]
Laaksonen revealed her account to a local Finnish newspaper, Ilta-Sanomat, which had contacted her regarding the level of professionalism involved in Donald Trump's handling of his employees within the Miss Universe pageant. The story was published on October 27, 2016.[78]
Summer Zervos (2007)[edit]
Summer Zervos was a contestant on the fifth season of The Apprentice, which filmed in 2005 and aired in 2006.[79][d] After she contacted Trump, in 2007, about a job after the show's completion, he invited her to meet him at The Beverly Hills Hotel. Zervos stated that Trump was sexually suggestive during their meeting, kissing her open-mouthed, groping her breasts,[79] and thrusting his genitals on her.[81] She also stated that his behavior was aggressive and not consensual.[80] Zervos is being represented by attorney Gloria Allred.[82]
John Barry, her cousin and a Trump supporter, claimed that Zervos had talked to her family and friends about Trump, promoting his candidacy and stating how he had helped her out in her life. During the presidential primary campaign, Zervos allegedly invited Trump to her restaurant, and he declined.[82][83] In October 2016, the Trump presidential campaign released an email by Zervos, sent in April 2016, in which she expressed her wish to 'reconnect' with Trump.[84]
On January 17, 2017, Zervos filed a defamation lawsuit against Trump, arising from his claim that she had lied about the allegations.[85][86] Marc Kasowitz is defending Trump in the case.[87]
Burnett's unnamed friend (2010)[edit]
According to CNN anchor Erin Burnett, an unnamed female friend of Burnett's alleges she was kissed in a Trump Tower boardroom in 2010. She said, "Trump took Tic Tacs, suggested I take them also. He then leaned in, catching me off guard, and kissed me almost on lips. I was really freaked out." She was invited by Trump into his office. She and Trump were alone in the office when he made further advances, giving her his cell phone number, telling her she was special, and asking her to call him. The woman said that she "ran the hell out of there". The story was reported by Burnett on CNN in October 2016.[3]
Cassandra Searles (2013)[edit]
Rolling Stone and NPR have reported that Cassandra Searles, Miss Washington USA of 2013, was fondled by Trump during the Miss USA pageant of that year.[3][88] Yahoo!News published an article in June 2016[3] stating that Searles had made Facebook postings that accused Trump of making unwanted advances. She said that he was "continually" groping her buttocks and had asked her to go "to his hotel room".[3][88][89] Searles also asserted that Trump had "treated us like cattle".[89] Trump and his campaign have not specifically responded to Searles' allegations.[3]
Allegations of pageant dressing room visits[edit]
Trump owned the Miss Universe franchise, which includes Miss USA and Miss Teen USA, from 1996 to 2015.[55][88] Contestants of the shows have alleged that, during his tenure, Trump would enter the dressing rooms while they were in various stages of undress. These incidents happened in 1997, 2000, 2001, and 2006.[90]
During a Howard Stern interview in 2005, Trump described his practice of walking in unannounced while beauty pageant contestants were naked or partially clothed:
You know, no men are anywhere. And I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant. And therefore I'm inspecting it... Is everyone OK? You know, they're standing there with no clothes. And you see these incredible-looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that ... I'll go backstage before a show, and everyone's getting dressed and ready and everything else.[88]
In the same interview, Trump declined to say whether he had slept with any contestants, stating "It could be a conflict of interest". He then joked that "as the pageant's owner, it might be his 'obligation' to sleep with the contestants."[88]
Miss Teen USA contestants[edit]
Mariah Billado, Miss Vermont Teen USA, is one of four women to mention such a dressing room visit incident in 1997.[91] Billado said of the visit: "I remember putting on my dress really quick, because I was like, 'Oh my god, there's a man in here.' Trump, she recalled, said something like, 'Don't worry, ladies, I've seen it all before.'"[3] Billado recalled talking to Ivanka, Trump's daughter, who responded "Yeah, he does that."[3] The dressing room had 51 contestants, each with their own stations. Eleven girls said that they did not see Trump enter the dressing room, though some said it was possible that he entered while they were somewhere else, or that they didn’t notice.[44][88][92] Of the 15 former contestants who were interviewed by Buzzfeed News, none alleged Trump said anything sexually explicit or made physical contact in the dressing room.[91]
Allison Bowman, Miss Wisconsin Teen USA, expressed skepticism: "these were teenage girls. If anything inappropriate had gone on, the gossip would have flown."[91] Trump's campaign stated the allegations of him entering the dressing room “have no merit and have already been disproven by many other individuals who were present.”[93]
Bridget Sullivan (2000)[edit]
In 2000, Bridget Sullivan was Miss New Hampshire USA. As she prepared for a television broadcast, Trump walked into the dressing room. She told BuzzFeed that he was coming to wish the contestants good luck, but they "were all naked". Some contestants that night do not remember him entering while the ladies prepared and other contestants mentioned that they had no negative experiences with Trump. A spokesman for Trump said that Sullivan's claims were "totally false".[3]
Tasha Dixon (2001)[edit]
Tasha Dixon, Miss Arizona USA 2001, told a CBS affiliate in Los Angeles that in 2001, "[Trump] just came strolling right in. There was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or anything. Some girls were topless, other girls were naked." She said that having been walked in on when the women had little or no clothes put them in a "very physically vulnerable position, and then to have the pressure of the people that work for him telling us to go fawn all over him, go walk up to him, talk to him ..." Trump's response, provided through spokeswoman Jessica Ditto, is that: "These accusations have no merit and have already been disproven by many other individuals who were present," Ditto adds that she believes that there is a political motivation behind the accusation.[3]
Unnamed contestants (2001)[edit]
An unnamed Miss USA contestant said that in 2001 Trump walked into her dressing room unannounced while she and another contestant were undressed. She told The Guardian that Trump "just barged right in, didn't say anything, stood there and stared at us .... He didn't walk in and say, 'Oh, I'm so sorry, I was looking for someone.' He walked in, he stood and he stared. He was doing it because he knew that he could." Another contestant told The Guardian that the contestant spoke to others of this event at the time.[3]
Samantha Holvey (2006)[edit]
On October 14, 2016, Samantha Carol Holvey, Miss North Carolina USA 2006, related that "Trump's conduct was "creepy" around the women participating but never made an advance toward her." She also said that prior to pageant events, Trump had "moved into areas where she and other contestants were getting ready," and that she had "never been around men that were like that


So Billy Bush and Harvey Weinstein's lives are ruined but Donald Trump gets fellatio from the U.S. press every day and gets to be Leader of the Free World??

The reaction to Weinstein will be sustained, vigorous, long-lived and it sure as hell won't be forgotten. Bush is an unemployed loser now. Weinstein will soon lose everything. If Weinstein hangs on, the media will use this a noose around his neck until the end of time! Bill Cosby is another example. He, too, will have this placed around his neck until the end of time!

AGAIN, IF THE MEDIA TREATED DONALD TRUMP LIKE THEY TREATED ANYONE ELSE ACCUSED OF THE VILE SHIT HE WAS ACCUSED OF ABOVE, TRUMP WOULD NOT BE PRESIDENT TODAY. THE COMEY ANNOUCEMENTS WOULD NOT HAVE MATTERED BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE JUST BEEN A BRIEF INTERLUDE FROM A MONTH OF A SUSTAINED RELENTLESS ASSAULT ON DONALD TRUMP THAT HE COULD NEVER HAVE RECOVERED FROM!!

Why is Donald Trump immune from charges that would bring anyone else down?????

And as for Donald Jr., he can rot in fucking hell for even daring to tweet about Weinstein given his dad's vile history!

One standard for Donald Trump. One standard for everyone else. This is a sick demented country! Hopefully, you can feel the rage oozing out of this post!
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OK I'm losing it-this is fucking insane! Why is Weinstein in trouble when Trump got away scott free? (Original Post) NewsCenter28 Oct 2017 OP
IOKIYAR LonePirate Oct 2017 #1
I strongly disagree maxrandb Oct 2017 #22
IOKIYAR Salviati Oct 2017 #2
That's seriously what is it, isn't it? NewsCenter28 Oct 2017 #4
What does that mean? arthritisR_US Oct 2017 #33
It's ok if You're a Republican Salviati Oct 2017 #34
Thanks! I totally agree as well. arthritisR_US Oct 2017 #36
Trump should be compared to Weinstein, constantly, from now on. phleshdef Oct 2017 #3
One bad does not excuse another bad. PdxSean Oct 2017 #5
Totally agree with the above NewsCenter28 Oct 2017 #8
Brzezinski gave me an icee brain freeze. PdxSean Oct 2017 #11
I wonder if Weinstein having been outed and taken down opens the way for fierywoman Oct 2017 #6
Say it loud! oasis Oct 2017 #7
Weinstein Is A Hollywood Lefty... Grassy Knoll Oct 2017 #9
Halle-fricken-louyah! I'm glad someone finally asked. Hugin Oct 2017 #10
Three reasons: DonCoquixote Oct 2017 #12
America is a center-right country Always2DaLeft Oct 2017 #13
America is Progressive. Nearly 3 million more voted democratic. fleabiscuit Oct 2017 #14
This center right bullshit is rightwingery Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #32
Fake News. NRaleighLiberal Oct 2017 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author pbmus Oct 2017 #15
Great post. One of the first things I heard on CNN this morning was the scandal of Harvey Vinca Oct 2017 #16
Harvey has more coercive power than Trump so Harvey is worse Cicada Oct 2017 #17
Oct 7, 2016 JustAnotherGen Oct 2017 #18
Precisely malaise Oct 2017 #20
Trump is president oberliner Oct 2017 #19
30 minutes after Hollywood tape release Wikileaks started leaking Russian-hacked Podesta emails Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #21
Sets the stage nicely if anything salacious about Trump is brewing hexola Oct 2017 #23
Rape culture. ismnotwasm Oct 2017 #25
So you want Weinstein to not be in trouble? Dreamer Tatum Oct 2017 #26
Guessing Weinstein victims (some of them) have become as powerful as Weinstein and are untouchable Not Ruth Oct 2017 #27
Because we now know that Trump has a massive, powerful propaganda machine working for him. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #28
trump supporters have no right to criticize Weinstein. Paladin Oct 2017 #29
it's worse, trump was awarded with the presidency. spanone Oct 2017 #30
Weinstein is a Democrat and we are the only WhiteTara Oct 2017 #31
Two words: Magic R. Initech Oct 2017 #35

maxrandb

(15,322 posts)
22. I strongly disagree
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 08:17 AM
Oct 2017

It's not IOKIYAR.

The major difference is that it's OK with the folks who vote for and support Retrumplicans.

These are the pricks that would vote for Retrumplicans even if they were assassinating people in the street.

A little pussy grabbing, rape and sexual assault are nothing to the Retrumplican voter, so it's not a big deal to the media.

Media will find lots of Dem voters and supporters to slam this disgusting behavior.

A week after the Access Hollywood tape Retrumplican voters are ready to leave their teenage daughters alone with the orange shitgibbon...as long as it will result in a tax cut for the wealthy.

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
4. That's seriously what is it, isn't it?
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 12:25 AM
Oct 2017

We now know for a fact that Republicans are not held to the same standard that they, themselves, set nor what they, or their media enablers, hold others to!

BTW, just to clarify-Weinstein should be destroyed. Not defending him. Just noting that Trump was NOT destroyed for exactly this behaviour nor was it even attempted.

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
34. It's ok if You're a Republican
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 01:36 PM
Oct 2017

Highlighting the fact that 99% of the stuff that rightwingers call out democrats on, they will happily let republicans slide on. In many cases, it's not the calling out of misdeeds that's a problem, sexual harassment and sexual assault is wrong no matter who does it, and democrats are pretty good about policing their own, but republicans are just fine letting their guy slide on something they would be up in arms about if they had been a democrat, because IOKIYAR.

PdxSean

(574 posts)
5. One bad does not excuse another bad.
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 12:29 AM
Oct 2017

Trump's gross conduct does not excuse Weinstein's (alleged) gross conduct. I suspect you already knew that, though.

If you are actually asking why republicans and "Christians" are treating Weinstein differently than they treat Trump, it is because republicans and "Christians" are hypocrites and frauds. If you allow yourself to expect anything more from republicans and "Christians," any resulting disappointment and knives in your back will be your fault because you should have known better than to expect anything more from them.

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
8. Totally agree with the above
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 12:33 AM
Oct 2017

As an aside, Mika Brezenski's glaring hypocrisy (letting Trump's behaviour go) while going out of her way to tweet about Weinstein tonight, is what set me off. She certainly didn't run away from Trump until he stopped playing "teacher's pet" with Joe and her. The hypocrisy is just off the charts on this one from right-wing circles.

PdxSean

(574 posts)
11. Brzezinski gave me an icee brain freeze.
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 12:47 AM
Oct 2017

The idea that she'd protest Weinstein after embracing Trump is straight out of George Orwell's 1984.

fierywoman

(7,683 posts)
6. I wonder if Weinstein having been outed and taken down opens the way for
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 12:30 AM
Oct 2017

the same thing to happen to Trump. At least that's what I'm hoping for and visualizing!

Grassy Knoll

(10,118 posts)
9. Weinstein Is A Hollywood Lefty...
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 12:39 AM
Oct 2017

...Trump is A Disgusting Prick..

..Disgusting Prick Wins!!!

Librul Media Epic Fail

Hugin

(33,131 posts)
10. Halle-fricken-louyah! I'm glad someone finally asked.
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 12:39 AM
Oct 2017

The double standard here is blinding... Absolutely, blinding.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
12. Three reasons:
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 12:51 AM
Oct 2017

1) he is a leftist, which makes him a target. For further reference, compare the cases of Ken Lay with the jail time Martha Stewart got for handling a sum that most Wall Street pirate would blow on a car.

2) Trigger alert: He is a Jew. Some people are pervs, and they happen to also be Jewish, not that any Rabbi would like them. After a media diet of Woody Allen, Anthony "Carlos danger" Weiner, etc, it is very easy for the media to get easy money reviving an ugly old stereotype and milking it till the udders come off.

3) the sad part, He has genuinely engaged in nasty behavior that was forgiven as long as he was selling all those Tarentino films. From Ashley Judd on, there are people who wanted payback, and they are not going to come to his aid, especially as many of them want and need the old "casting couch" practice to die and die now.

 

Always2DaLeft

(6 posts)
13. America is a center-right country
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 12:53 AM
Oct 2017

Because America is a center-right country, but honestly don't we want to have some principles rather than play the conservatives' game of 'they did it too'?

Trump and Weinstein are both scummy people and yes one is POTUS and the other is a private citizen.

Maybe Democrats will get their butts to the polls in 2018 and 2020 and change some things instead of sitting on the sidelines with our thumbs up our butts.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
14. America is Progressive. Nearly 3 million more voted democratic.
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 01:32 AM
Oct 2017

Interference, gerrymandering and voter suppression sealed the deal.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
32. This center right bullshit is rightwingery
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 12:57 PM
Oct 2017

every righty I ever argued with on the nets told me that

thanks for pointing out the truth

Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Vinca

(50,267 posts)
16. Great post. One of the first things I heard on CNN this morning was the scandal of Harvey
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 06:45 AM
Oct 2017

Weinstein being connected to the Democrats and whether the Democrats would suffer. Some even asked the perv in the White House for his reaction. Amazing. Totally fucking amazing. Anyone hear 2 peeps last week about the GOP Congressman who resigned because he urged his lady on the side to get an abortion and then posted anti-abortion BS? The MSM seems to love creating Democratic "scandals." They have to have a story and - yawn - Trump bragging about pussy grabbing is old news.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
17. Harvey has more coercive power than Trump so Harvey is worse
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 07:05 AM
Oct 2017

Telling Trump to drop dead has little risk. But Harvey could hurt your career or promote it. So women with Harvey were really in a difficult position. What Harvey did was much worse, like holding a knife to your throat.

JustAnotherGen

(31,811 posts)
18. Oct 7, 2016
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 07:30 AM
Oct 2017

Hang in there. I'll go to my grave believing the Trump campaign pushed this story to dodge, deflect, and defer from:

Department of Homeland Security

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joint-statement-department-homeland-security-and-office-director-national
For Immediate Release
DHS Press Office
Contact: 202-282-8010


The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.

Some states have also recently seen scanning and probing of their election-related systems, which in most cases originated from servers operated by a Russian company. However, we are not now in a position to attribute this activity to the Russian Government. The USIC and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) assess that it would be extremely difficult for someone, including a nation-state actor, to alter actual ballot counts or election results by cyber attack or intrusion. This assessment is based on the decentralized nature of our election system in this country and the number of protections state and local election officials have in place. States ensure that voting machines are not connected to the Internet, and there are numerous checks and balances as well as extensive oversight at multiple levels built into our election process.

Nevertheless, DHS continues to urge state and local election officials to be vigilant and seek cybersecurity assistance from DHS. A number of states have already done so. DHS is providing several services to state and local election officials to assist in their cybersecurity. These services include cyber “hygiene” scans of Internet-facing systems, risk and vulnerability assessments, information sharing about cyber incidents, and best practices for securing voter registration databases and addressing potential cyber threats. DHS has convened an Election Infrastructure Cybersecurity Working Group with experts across all levels of government to raise awareness of cybersecurity risks potentially affecting election infrastructure and the elections process. Secretary Johnson and DHS officials are working directly with the National Association of Secretaries of State to offer assistance, share information, and provide additional resources to state and local officials.

# # #

Last Published Date: October 7, 2016



He's not going to get away with anything.

malaise

(268,943 posts)
20. Precisely
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 07:44 AM
Oct 2017

The Con and his goons knew that sex sells.

Still I have a question for those giving Weinstein a pass - including Lisa Bloom - they had different views on Bill Cosby.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
19. Trump is president
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 07:37 AM
Oct 2017

If he was still just The Apprentice guy, he probably would've lost his show when the Access Hollywood tape came out and would've had to make a BS apology and lay low for a while like Weinstein.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
21. 30 minutes after Hollywood tape release Wikileaks started leaking Russian-hacked Podesta emails
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 07:54 AM
Oct 2017
NewsCenter28
0. OK I'm losing it-this is fucking insane! Why is Weinstein in trouble when Trump got away scott free?

Why is this turning into a massive scandal with Sen. Schumer, et. al, having to return campaign donations and Mika Brezenski acting all outraged but yet Donald J. Trump can be President of the United States with the media kissing his ass every day telling him how great he is. Let's recall what Trump did from Wikipedia:

Recording controversy and second 2016 presidential debate[edit]
Main article: Donald Trump and Billy Bush recording


 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
23. Sets the stage nicely if anything salacious about Trump is brewing
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 08:23 AM
Oct 2017

Creep...could become Creeps!

Get everyone thinking the worst of this behavior - and Viola...Pee Tapes!

Irish_Dem

(46,924 posts)
28. Because we now know that Trump has a massive, powerful propaganda machine working for him.
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 11:54 AM
Oct 2017

Funded by you-know-who.

spanone

(135,826 posts)
30. it's worse, trump was awarded with the presidency.
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 12:01 PM
Oct 2017

at least weinstein took a leave of absence and aplogized.

both are pieces of shit

Initech

(100,063 posts)
35. Two words: Magic R.
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 01:49 PM
Oct 2017

It's a get out of jail free card for white conservatives. Bonus points if you pray for your redemption and forgiveness.

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