There is no law on the books that would have prevented the latest massacre.

[boston bean]

Well then, time to get some drafted and legislated into law.

Dear god what a bunch if lame ass excuses these purveyors of death by bullets espouse.

[JI7]

1. If it was a Muslim or hispanic

There would be calls for bans deportations walls etc

[vlyons]

2. I think murder

and conspiracy to commit murder, mayhem, and assault with a deadly weapon are still laws on the books in all 50 states and US territories.

[LisaL]

3. We are talking about prevention, not punishment.

[sharedvalues]

4. David Frum: Rules of Gun Control debate

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/542229/

[Afromania]

5. Oh, I don't know maybe a law that makes the selling/owning of assualt weapons illegal

along with the parts required to do conversions. I mean, let's get real here. There are zero circumstances where you would need a bump stock, high volume clip, silencer, and whatever else other than the the taking of human lives. If not immediately, then in some dreamed up future scenario where the buyer of these items will be able to "properly" utilize them to their fullest potential......... in killling multitudes of humanity quickly.

[Not Ruth]

6. This is probably the first and only instance of a bump stock being used in murder

"zero circumstances where you would need a bump stock.......other than the the taking of human lives"

[Afromania]

7. The first, but can you think of any good reason to own something like this?

Under what reasonable scenario is one person in America going to need that much fire power? Let alone hundreds or thousands of people?

[Not Ruth]

8. Not my thing, so how would I know?

That said, if a 100k people own them, whatever they are doing with them probably does not include murder.

[Afromania]

10. But what reason did somebody go out and buy a bump stock?

What is the intended use. What need does this person have or feel they will eventually have to get one of these things?

[Man_Bear_Pig]

12. To have fun at the range shooting targets, cans and bowling pins.

[Afromania]

19. Only thing is that the potential for fun for a few is underscored by the potential for some

wackado to do what happened in Vegas. Is having fun worth the possibility of that? It shouldn't be.

What happens if a radical terrorist comes along and decide that the best way to get at us was to legally buy some bump stocks, waltz into some arena and start mowing us down? We are making it too easy for these things to happen for the curiosity of a few.

[Man_Bear_Pig]

21. You'll get the ban on bump stocks.

Most gun nuts don't even care about them, as frequent use breaks down a $1,000 rifle meant for firing semi-automatic, plus all the ammo it goes through and not all ranges welcome it.

They are throwing the towel in on this for PR and future ads showing they are reasonable; and it redirects the topic. Giving up something they don't care about anyway. The small percentage of gun nuts that do care, will get over it.

[Not Ruth]

17. Generally, curiosity

It was a gun related toy. Easily installed and removed.

[Afromania]

20. same reply as above

The curiosity of some is weighted by the potential for mass killing by a madman. It's always chance it will happen and it's a chance that goes up with every sale.

[Not Ruth]

24. I can see that, it is like making planking illegal

That thing where teens like to lay flat in dangerous situations, laying flat is not illegal, but planking is.

[joshcryer]

22. Doubt it's the first.

But good luck finding an instance with it. Results are pretty much ruined by how news sites put references to new stuff on their old articles. I don't have access to Lexus Nexis but I bet there are instances.

I would expect a lot of the drive bys in Chicago to have at least utilized them once or another but I can't find any proven. Gangs or people with a beef aren't going to have access to fully automatics yet they are often called machine guns in the media there. (Many links to "machine guns" being used in Chicago.) Then people go "no you can't get access to a machine gun easily." Now we have an instance, heavily recorded and documented, of someone using a semi-automatic and using it like a machine gun.

Nah, these things have been used before. It would not surprise me in the least if in the aftermath of this gangs are going to be associated with them (though it will be claimed that they only started using them after this instance; and all the instances of "machine guns" in gangs are coincidence).

[Not Ruth]

23. Bump stocks go on rifles, statistically speaking,you find few crime shoots committed with any rifles

Let alone modified ones, of which bump stocks would then be an even smaller subset. I do not think that bump stocks were marketed for that many years, so you are probably looking at 2k shootings committed with rifles nationally over the past 4 years, and then needing to deep dive. I will give a for instance. California, possibly the biggest state, might have 2 crime shootings a year committed with what they define as a machine gun.

Anecdotally (no links, I might be wrong), I can recall several machine gun criminal shootings from the past, Waco, a Florida bank robbery, Miami Vice era drug war, Leonard Peltier, St Valentine's Day massacre, but all preceded bump stocks by decades.

[joshcryer]

25. Yeah, but I'm just sayin'.

Google "Chicago machine gun." Every instance you find is probably not a machine gun. Bump stock? Gatling mod? Who knows. Heck, maybe it's someone who's really good at rapidly pulling a trigger (heh). Street gangs don't have machine guns. The machine gun "ban" effectively eradicated them from use in modern times.

There has to be an instance somewhere but it's impossible to find since this incident pretty much comes up in every useful search. I wish we could tell Google to not look at websites that put this story on old articles under "top articles" or whatever.

[Hoyt]

26. Two years ago, gun-strokers told us few shootings or instances of intimidation were committed

with semi-auto rifles. That's certainly BS now.

[trof]

9. WAIT...DEFINE "assault weapon..." and away we go.

[Afromania]

11. Reasonably, I suppose it would probably require sane people to sit down and hash out the specs.

[LAS14]

13. We need to write laws based on effects, not specs.

It should be illegal for manufacturers to sell guns to non-military/law enforcement that shoot more than x bullets per y time period.

[Afromania]

15. When I say specs, that is part of them.

I'd imagine it would also need req's on magazine capacity, general skill of use, range, etc etc. Any gun can be dangerous in the wrong hands, but we seriously need to make it harder to go about mass killing people. At least twice(more like hundreds) as hard some want it to be to vote.

[trof]

16. 'Reasonably' and 'sane' would be the hang ups.

If there were reasonably and sane we would have resolved this years ago.
It's $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Afromania]

18. Yea, pretty much.

[msongs]

14. made possible by availability of weapons to please eternal children nt

[Skittles]

27. FUCK those gun humping cowards and their fucking excuses

SICK OF THEM

[spooky3]

28. Yeah, Australia and other developed countries just waved a magic wand.