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The Morning Joe folks are saying that what Pensedid yesterday was worse (Original Post) malaise Oct 2017 OP
I watched it and was amazed to see them really call out what an expensive stunt it was. mnhtnbb Oct 2017 #1
This was planned days before the game malaise Oct 2017 #2
And I would like to say Timmygoat Oct 2017 #3
And I would like to say malaise Oct 2017 #4
Welcome on board. sarge43 Oct 2017 #6
Not to mention I would bet that many people like your husband karynnj Oct 2017 #10
Great cilla4progress Oct 2017 #12
Well said. iluvtennis Oct 2017 #17
It's hard to compare it to anything that's happened before. JohnnyRingo Oct 2017 #5
+1.000 malaise Oct 2017 #32
Recommended. H2O Man Oct 2017 #7
K&R... spanone Oct 2017 #8
Great... czarjak Oct 2017 #9
Here is the first amendment ..........and the single key word...surprise.......... Stuart G Oct 2017 #20
Could someone explain to me how walking out in the middle of our National Anthem Stonepounder Oct 2017 #11
He didn't walk out in the middle of the anthem oberliner Oct 2017 #14
So, he stood for the anthem while the players were taking a knee and then left? Stonepounder Oct 2017 #21
It was a moronic stunt, orchestrated by Trump, as red meat for his base oberliner Oct 2017 #22
Pence had to go to a fundraiser. Qutzupalotl Oct 2017 #24
He's not Welcome here Capperdan Oct 2017 #28
Why was Pence looking around? gratuitous Oct 2017 #23
Was that before or after Mika spent 20 minutes bashing Hillary Clinton? oberliner Oct 2017 #13
really dsc Oct 2017 #15
She said she would cancel her book deal unless Weinstein resigns oberliner Oct 2017 #16
Does Hillary have a book deal with him? dsc Oct 2017 #19
I did love how skillfully she danced around the books malaise Oct 2017 #33
Mika Apparently Has Hillary Derangement Me. Oct 2017 #26
Oh I get it alright. Kingofalldems Oct 2017 #29
Didn't someone die during BridgeGate? SHRED Oct 2017 #18
Americans have learned to expect lies, spin, and bullshit Achilleaze Oct 2017 #25
Send the money to Puerto Rico Capperdan Oct 2017 #27
It was a slap in the face to the teams, their players, fans and the whole city. procon Oct 2017 #30
I hope a reporter asks moron if he is going to reprimand Pence like he did Price Motley13 Oct 2017 #31

mnhtnbb

(31,377 posts)
1. I watched it and was amazed to see them really call out what an expensive stunt it was.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 08:49 AM
Oct 2017

And it was.

Pence flew from Vegas to the game. And then turned around and flew right back to California for fundraisers.

They had to have Secret Service check the stadium. They put all the attendees through special security.

Pence knew in advance there would be team members taking a knee. He had his marching orders from Trump.

It was a total stunt. And a very expensive one.

Timmygoat

(779 posts)
3. And I would like to say
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 09:05 AM
Oct 2017

this Trump, could it be the same Trump who dishonored our troops like the Muslim who is buried at Arlington, whose parents stood up for Hillary during the election.
Is it the same Trump who called McCain a coward.
Perhaps it is the same Trump, who got out of joining the military during Viet Nam 5 times referencing a bone spur, but in fact it was cowardice.
And now with his lackey Pence he wasting my taxes to pull silly stunts.

(My husband is a disabled Vietnam veteran who was awarded the Bronze Star for saving lives)

I say leave the sportsmen alone, (they have a worthy cause)

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
6. Welcome on board.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 09:32 AM
Oct 2017

You forgot to mention Moron called combat PTSD victims weak.

Moron and Mommy's Boy wouldn't know true honor if it bit them in the ass.

The sportsmen are exercising their constitutional rights. Case close.

for your spousal unit.

karynnj

(59,500 posts)
10. Not to mention I would bet that many people like your husband
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 10:22 AM
Oct 2017

were less than amused that he called his indiscriminate sexual behavior his "personal Vietnam". Neither my husband and I ever served, but I was sick when he said that as it equates the genuine sacrifice of people like your husband who risked life and limb to his playing around.

As to the Pence stunt, in addition to the cost, it was a kick in the face for the Indianapolis team which was celebrating a former star.

JohnnyRingo

(18,622 posts)
5. It's hard to compare it to anything that's happened before.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 09:28 AM
Oct 2017

It appears to be a mean concerted effort to use the White House in organizing a boycott against a private business.

No one has seen anything like it because the office has never been held by a man so small and petty.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
20. Here is the first amendment ..........and the single key word...surprise..........
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 11:43 AM
Oct 2017

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The key word is...the 4th word................"no "...."no law"....it really is pretty simple..(and that is why they wrote it in a simple way.....

no law..........means "NO LAW".........


Now I am not sure when I learned about that word....no...but it was pretty early in my life..probably 2 or 3 years old...It is a word parents or loved ones always teach the very young child, or children, if you have more than one, like twins, triplets, etc..their young children............

"No law"...means..."no" law....none, zero, nada, 000000000000000000000000000000

get the picture...?..So pence cannot make a law, neither can trump..., neither can I, and neither can you.

Yes, the courts have ruled you cannot yell fire in a crowded theater, and you can't make up stuff and spread it around as truth...(, just an example..:."she is a whore"...and that person is the most non sexual person in the world, doesn't want it, never thinks about it ).....Spreading around a known lie, to injure someone is called .."slander"..that is against the law.......free speech does not cover "slander"...

Those are a couple of exceptions..there are not many..
Courts have ruled the "flag" is not sacred...yes they have..and it isn't. If we had Washington, and Jefferson and Madison right here,,,,the three would say....trump and pence are idiots...how did they get in????
What happened..?....

Well that is enough on this one...F**K trump and pence...send them back to school and learn the law..


Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
11. Could someone explain to me how walking out in the middle of our National Anthem
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 11:12 AM
Oct 2017

is being respectful of our flag and country? If taking a knee is so horribly disrespectful of everything American, how is turning your back on the flag and walking out somehow 'respectful'?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
14. He didn't walk out in the middle of the anthem
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 11:32 AM
Oct 2017

He stood for the anthem with his hand over his heart and left shortly thereafter.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
21. So, he stood for the anthem while the players were taking a knee and then left?
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 11:50 AM
Oct 2017

So he didn't leave because the players protested, he left because....?

He refused to watch the game because some of the players exercised their Constitutional right to silently protest? If some Trump supporter did that they would be out the price of their ticket (which would be in the owner's pocket) and they wouldn't get to see the game and nobody would really notice. With Pence doing it, the taxpayers are out about $250,000 and he didn't get to see the game.

Whatever happened to: "...will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States"? Or did the TP gang take a different oath, one that says: "...will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the flag and the national anthem of the United States"?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
22. It was a moronic stunt, orchestrated by Trump, as red meat for his base
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 11:53 AM
Oct 2017

And a middle finger to the rest of us (and, in particular, to African-Americans).

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
23. Why was Pence looking around?
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 11:57 AM
Oct 2017

Shouldn't a good, patriotic American be focused solely on Old Glory while the National Anthem is being played? I wonder if young Mikey ever caught a sibling sneaking a bite of mashed potatoes while Dad was saying grace before a meal? The punishment for looking around when you should be concentrating on God is at least equal to any sins you might witness because you weren't.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
13. Was that before or after Mika spent 20 minutes bashing Hillary Clinton?
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 11:31 AM
Oct 2017

Over her ties to Weinstein.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
15. really
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 11:34 AM
Oct 2017

the same woman who has not one, not two, but three books about to be published by his company. Sweet Jesus that is hypocritical.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
16. She said she would cancel her book deal unless Weinstein resigns
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 11:37 AM
Oct 2017

Which he did, so I guess it's all systems go on that front.

Anyway, she was patting herself on the back for her statement and criticizing others (like HRC) for not doing likewise to her satisfaction.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
19. Does Hillary have a book deal with him?
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 11:42 AM
Oct 2017

I don't know which publishers his company owned. She isn't running for office so no money to return. She likely issued a statement so still pretty hypocritical on her part.

procon

(15,805 posts)
30. It was a slap in the face to the teams, their players, fans and the whole city.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 04:52 PM
Oct 2017

Pence and the Moron thought this stunt was a winner. They wanted to bash a few players, but at the same time they insulted everyone else with their petty theatrical antics. Pence and Trump stole their thunder, they became the sole focus of the media, not the game, not the players, not the guy retiring, not the protestors, just Pence and the washed up celebrity who lives in the adult day care center at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Motley13

(3,867 posts)
31. I hope a reporter asks moron if he is going to reprimand Pence like he did Price
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 04:54 PM
Oct 2017

for wasting taxpayer $$$$$'s

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