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kentuck

(111,083 posts)
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 09:24 AM Oct 2017

How should we translate our history that is shameful to so many of our people?

Should we forget about it and not discuss it at all? Should we drop it from all our history books?

Or should we keep it in our history books but write about it in a more honest and truthful manner? Can America not handle the truth?

Whether it be Confederate statues or historical writings about Christopher Columbus, should those be wiped from our history or should they be explained more accurately?

What is the best way to handle these types of controversies?

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How should we translate our history that is shameful to so many of our people? (Original Post) kentuck Oct 2017 OP
wiping history clean is what despot based cultures do. We have no need to wipe anything clean beachbum bob Oct 2017 #1
I agree. kentuck Oct 2017 #5
Tell the truth. MousePlayingDaffodil Oct 2017 #2
History is the story of what happened. MineralMan Oct 2017 #3
Howard Zinn zipplewrath Oct 2017 #4
Great question. H2O Man Oct 2017 #6
We should teach the FACTS of history not the fantasies csziggy Oct 2017 #7
Our good, bad and ugly history must always be taught and kept front and center. democratisphere Oct 2017 #8
 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
1. wiping history clean is what despot based cultures do. We have no need to wipe anything clean
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 09:31 AM
Oct 2017

and we owe it to the future generations to try to present it in a reasonable way. Unfortunately, the nature of US Education allows little room for "teaching" all there is about history in grades 1-12 and only happens when you get into college. The real travesty is applying present day moral cleansing to historical events of 100's of years ago. Thats no better than rewriting history.

kentuck

(111,083 posts)
5. I agree.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 09:40 AM
Oct 2017

We tend to apply today's standards to events and historical figures of the past. Buffalo Bill Cody was a hero in his day. He killed a lot of buffalo. Unfortunately, in doing so, he starved a lot of First Americans and their children. But few were able to grasp that truth as it was happening.

Perhaps someday history will record America's obsession with guns in a similar manner?

2. Tell the truth.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 09:32 AM
Oct 2017

People will, of course, debate what "the truth" is, but that's where the conversation should begin.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
3. History is the story of what happened.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 09:33 AM
Oct 2017

We should tell history truthfully, openly, and accurately. That's true for all of it. Tell the true story of Cristobal Colon or Columbus, or whatever you want to call him, and people will know the real history.

History should never be romanticized or demonized. It should simply be told as it happened.

That is what should be done, in my opinion.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
4. Howard Zinn
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 09:36 AM
Oct 2017

The point of Zinn's book was to in effect make the point that our past isn't the Disneyfied version that has been taught. Alternately, it can be viewed from the point of view of people overcoming the past and moving into the future. We need to acknowledge the past traditions that were so awful, and to some extent so as not to repeat them. In doing so, we can also recognize how we have moved forward (and what remains to be done).

Part of it is to stop "idolizing" past historical figures. It puts them on pedestals they are guaranteed tip off. Furthermore, attempting to do so often creates false historical presentations. There are past historical figures that have been lauded for accomplishment that were either trivial, or downright false. It is often done to advance particular political objectives of the day, that ultimately undermine the real history. Many are fond of pointing out that Reagan wasn't the myth that has been created around him.

And we really need to move away from history as "Presidents and Generals". History is about all of us and the presidents and generals are products of that past, not the cause of it. LBJ, FDR, Lincoln, and Washington were all notable people but they were the products of their time, and that includes the flaws of those times. MLK was far from perfect. Jefferson was a man of great ideas that often executed poorly. But it was the people of that time that moved these men forward. And many of those people were women, and people of color.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
6. Great question.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 09:54 AM
Oct 2017

In my opinion, the approach should include patience, firmness, and needs to be done in an on-going conversation. That includes having accurate history taught in schools, something that happens far more often today than when I was a student.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
7. We should teach the FACTS of history not the fantasies
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 10:03 AM
Oct 2017

Too often the history taught in schools is superficial and only teaches those fables that were created to induce patriotism and adherence to authority (George Washington, "I cannot tell a lie" is one of those). And too often history is taught by teachers who do not have a full perspective of history.

My world history teacher in high school was one of those teachers. He only knew history as had been taught to him with no depth to the stories he had been told - civilization began in Babylon, moved to Egypt, then Greece, Rome, Northern Europe, England, and was finally brought to America by Christopher Columbus. As far as he knew nothing else happened any where in the world other than those locations. He was barely familiar with the Reformation - it happened after "civilization" had moved to Northern Europe so was not important. I once asked him what was happening in China at a specific time in history and he told me they were living in caves. Even as an eighth grader who had not studied a lot of history I knew that was wrong.

Books such as "1492" and "1493" by Charles Mann are great. In"1492" he used every resource he could find to build a history of the civilizations in the American prior to Columbus' arrival - European histories, Indian histories (what was not destroyed by the Europeans, and what has been deciphered by anthropologists), archeological studies, and Indian oral histories as recorded by the Europeans. From the information Mann was able to find that the American Indian civilizations were larger, more expansive, and in some cases more scientifically and technologically advanced than the European civilization of the time.

No history course I ever took - or even any anthropology class I took in college - admitted that most descriptions of American Indian cultures by most Europeans were of remnant populations. As much as 90-95% of the people living in the Americas in 1492 died from introduced diseases. Each new disease might have killed 10-30% with each wave, but there was wave after wave of various diseases over the first one hundred and fifty years.

The Black Death is estimated to have killed 30% of Europe's population and that seriously diminished Europe's culture for several hundred years as knowledge was lost with those people. Now think of losing 90% of your people over several generations - each wave of death removed essential people and knowledge. At the same time the survivors were being warred upon, enslaved, and flat out murdered so that the resources of their land could be stolen.

Maybe elementary school kids should only be taught a frame work of history - but leave out the myths and teach facts. Too many people need to unlearn the garbage they were taught so they can learn what really happened!

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
8. Our good, bad and ugly history must always be taught and kept front and center.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 10:16 AM
Oct 2017

It is our only hope for not repeating the bad and ugly.

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