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Willie Pep

(841 posts)
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 04:15 PM Oct 2017

Europeans like Columbus were not the only violent people.

In light of the present controversy over Columbus Day, I think it is important to note that Europeans weren't the only violent people in the world during the period. On Aztec human sacrifices:

https://qz.com/374994/aztec-sacrifice-was-real-and-its-not-fetishistic-to-be-fascinated

There is an unfortunate tendency among some liberals to concentrate solely on atrocities committed by Europeans while ignoring the sometimes unpleasant historical evidence about non-European societies. The tendency sometimes goes so far as to paint non-Europeans as living in Edenic harmony with each other and nature until the evil Europeans showed up and made a mess of things. This itself can be seen as a racist trope, that of the "noble savage" untouched by the evils of modern Western civilization. It denies the reality and complexity of non-European societies.

Please note that I am NOT making excuses for the many atrocities and injustices committed by European colonialists, just that there is a very strong tendency on the part of some people on the left to have a biased and selective view of history.

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Europeans like Columbus were not the only violent people. (Original Post) Willie Pep Oct 2017 OP
Geez! dawg Oct 2017 #1
Wow... You're shitting me! Who knew?! demmiblue Oct 2017 #2
Oh, give it a rest. murielm99 Oct 2017 #3
It's darksided!!! dawg Oct 2017 #5
Only way to deal with darksided things; Codeine Oct 2017 #23
Is Montezuma Day celebrated anywhere? Kingofalldems Oct 2017 #4
Well, I always celebrated it. dawg Oct 2017 #6
LOL! fleur-de-lisa Oct 2017 #8
And the full story of the Aztecs has been sanitized to an equal extent? gratuitous Oct 2017 #7
Concern trollish post Blues Heron Oct 2017 #9
When Aztec Day comes around as a federal holiday, let me know. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 #10
Why is this information relevant to the controversy wrt Columbus Day? ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #11
Some have called for Columbus Day to be renames "Indigenous People" Day... brooklynite Oct 2017 #16
Then rename it something else, ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #21
Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #12
you seem very concerned ! stonecutter357 Oct 2017 #13
I agree. Slavery was practiced by delisen Oct 2017 #14
agreed; yes columbus was bad, but the native americans weren't exactly pacifists; it doesn't do any TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #15
Both sides were wrong... tenderfoot Oct 2017 #17
Stop watching Mel Gibson movies MyNameGoesHere Oct 2017 #18
I don't get your meaning. Can you clarify? linuxman Oct 2017 #19
I've watched that three times ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #20
All Satan's work HAB911 Oct 2017 #22
There is a difference, though Nonhlanhla Oct 2017 #24

murielm99

(30,733 posts)
3. Oh, give it a rest.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 04:21 PM
Oct 2017

It is time to argue about Halloween and the sinfulness connected with it.

And it is never too early to gear up for the War on Christmas.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
7. And the full story of the Aztecs has been sanitized to an equal extent?
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 04:26 PM
Oct 2017

What are you trying to say? Could you provide examples of "some liberals" who ignore historical evidence of non-European societies, or who deny the reality and complexity of non-European societies?

ExciteBike66

(2,326 posts)
11. Why is this information relevant to the controversy wrt Columbus Day?
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 04:39 PM
Oct 2017

We do not have an "Aztec Day" in this country, so their atrocities really don't matter.

brooklynite

(94,493 posts)
16. Some have called for Columbus Day to be renames "Indigenous People" Day...
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 05:03 PM
Oct 2017

Indigenous People do not have clean hands either.

ExciteBike66

(2,326 posts)
21. Then rename it something else,
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 06:07 AM
Oct 2017

my problem is that Columbus took people as slaves, and that we should not honor this man with a national holiday.

Response to Willie Pep (Original post)

delisen

(6,042 posts)
14. I agree. Slavery was practiced by
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 04:45 PM
Oct 2017

cultures around the world .

England got a comparative advantage of technology at one point and ushered in the period of European colonialism.

Other cultures could well have gotten that comparative advantage and done the same thing.

The Scandinavians behaved badly for a couple of centuries and then seemed to have settled down to tend their own gardens (ala Voltaire). Maybe there is hope for all of us.

There are so many fascinating things we could all be doing and learning. When will we get beyond this era and onto the interesting and useful stuff?

 

TheFrenchRazor

(2,116 posts)
15. agreed; yes columbus was bad, but the native americans weren't exactly pacifists; it doesn't do any
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 05:00 PM
Oct 2017

anybody any favors to pretend that only the misdeeds of columbus (europeans) matter. we shouldn't turn EITHER ONE of them into heroes. they both had their good sides and their bad sides.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
20. I've watched that three times
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 06:03 PM
Oct 2017

I always remember it's not accurate chronologically. Still, I wonder if the sacrifices really looked like that.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
24. There is a difference, though
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 08:41 AM
Oct 2017

Europeans committed genocide on a massive scale in the Americas. The Aztecs did not.

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