Bernie Sanders pays National City campaign bill

[George II]

Secret Service declines to spring for candidate's security costs
By Bruce Kauffman, Oct. 8, 2017

More than a year after Bernie Sanders led a high-spirited rally in a public park in National City during his run for the presidency, he's finally paid his bill of more than $28,000 in municipal services, the mayor said Friday (October 6).

The money had been put up by the city mainly for overtime pay for police, fire, and public works personnel. Sixteen city blocks were blockaded for the May 21, 2016, campaign appearance in Kimball Park, an expanse that presents a challenge to security as it is flanked by high-rise apartment buildings. The Sanders camp gave the city three days' notice to do its part to host the event.

On August 1, 2017, the city council voted to sue. It wanted $28,340 in out-of-pocket expenses and about $3000 more in penalties and interest, On October 4th, officials were notified the Sanders campaign would pay up — interest, penalties, and all.

“We'd sent them notice after notice,” mayor Ron Morrison said by phone from Albuquerque, where he has been taking a few days of relaxation. “The city no longer has to sue. We're done with it now. We were not, quote, 'making money,’ unquote, on this.”

Read more: https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/oct/08/stringers-bernie-sanders-pays-national-city/#

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[Me.]

1. K & R

[George II]

3. You never saw the DU system duplicate a new OP?

[George II]

4. FYI, here are the definitions of "salacious"....

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/salacious

Definition of salacious

1 :arousing or appealing to sexual desire or imagination
2 :lecherous, lustful

Which one were you referring to?

[Purveyor]

6. In this case and considering the poster, either could apply when it comes to dirt on

Bernie...

[RandySF]

8. What dirt?

He's still paying bills.

[George II]

10. Once again, you're calling me salacious. So which definition applies...

....

1 :arousing or appealing to sexual desire or imagination
2 :lecherous, lustful

PS - why did you delete your first post where you called me salacious?

[NurseJackie]

15. Ha!! :-D

That's funny!

[snooper2]

16. How come you never call me salacious

LOL me sad now

[George II]

29. Bazinga!

[Eliot Rosewater]

56. Hey, Sheldon resents that

[ehrnst]

36. Bwaaahhhhhaaaa!!

[greatauntoftriplets]

31. And here it is, used in a sentence.

My opinion of Daniel Day Lewis is entirely salacious.

[Weekend Warrior]

5. Unlike Trump, we pay our bills.

As fast as Sanders rose it not surprising there are still outstanding payments out there. The growth of his campaign was so rapid that it became obvious where resources were being used and where they weren’t. Almost all resources were being used to keep the appearance of energy, youth, and numbers. They held many rallies with under five days notice. Everywhere he went, even on short notice, the stands were full. It became the cornerstone of his campaign, got him a lot of his news coverage, and gave his candidacy the image that it was worthy.

The resources needed were huge. Accounting was truly put on the back burner. A lot of oversite was put on the back burner. It was and still is the most impressive thing they did. I believe it took Weaver to do it. The Way they fed the energy of the beast was amazing. It also required them to overlook certain areas until a later date. I really don’t find it shocking this debt or others are outstanding. They also have a commitment to those who gave it to spend it with due care.

[Demsrule86]

21. It has been a year...a great deal of money was raised...seriously bad optics here.

I can't think of a good enough excuse for this...maybe they forgot.

[Weekend Warrior]

23. I dont think a year is too long without additional info.

Specially when there are possible grounds for dispute. I doubt this was/is the only outstanding bill.

[Demsrule86]

24. They paid up after a lawsuit was filed...seriously bad optic...and if anyone else was involved most

here would agree.

[Weekend Warrior]

25. It happens more often than people are aware.

Lawsuits force people into quicker action. It's a tool many of us use for debt collection. Specially when there are issues surrounding the certainty of the debt.

[Demsrule86]

35. It is a year later...local towns should not have to wait that long. I don't care who does it...it is

wrong. And if someone else was involved most would agree. They knew they owed the money...but ignored the bills.

[ehrnst]

43. What issues? (nt)

[George II]

72. I doubt that there was uncertainty about this debt. Why should a municipality have to resort....

....to "debt collection" when the debtor has $5M in the bank?

[moriah]

77. Well, I'll put it like this.

In 2008, I had enough money to donate to some campaigns.

I volunteered for Hillary but didn't donate in the primary because I wanted to save it, and put that and more money into the General. Once it was over, I donated to help clear Hillary's campaign debt. It wasn't as high of a priority and so I did donate less than to the General, but I did keep up a monthly little bit until it was covered.

I can understand if Sanders supporters waited until after the general to donate to clear primary debt. And I can understand if they had prioritized the primary and general first, then took a little longer to help their candidate pay the bills from running.

Anyway, it's not yet been a full year since the General. And if I read it right, the Sanders campaign also paid the penalty the city requested as the late fee.

I was a Hill supporter, and I agree -- unlike Trump, we Democrats pay our debts. It took Hill a long time to get hers fully paid from 2008. But she did.

[George II]

79. The difference is that the campaign wasn't waiting for contributions in order to clear debt....

...it had a surplus in the millions of dollars and even today has more than $5 million in it's treasury.

And it was more than a year after the debt was incurred. The date of the General Election is irrelevant, he wasn't a candidate in the General Election and suspended all campaigning (and incurring debt) around the time of the Democratic National Convention, July 2016.

[Gothmog]

7. K&R

[mcar]

9. K&R

[aikoaiko]

11. That's good. I'm sure everyone is glad the campaign paid up.

[Tavarious Jackson]

12. Finally. nt

[lapucelle]

13. I'm sure BS made good

on his other rally-related debts as well.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/communities/south-county/sd-me-sanders-sued-0824-story.html

[Hortensis]

92. $28K and $31K? Surely the expenses for suing in various states he lost

would have exceeded these bills. Of course most of those lawsuits were dropped quickly after the media moved on, but still, mounting lawsuits to manipulate opinion has to be pretty expensive.

[kacekwl]

14. Why that dirty rotten no good socialist son of a gun.

How dare he.

[Demsrule86]

22. Even socialists are expected to pay bills.

[ehrnst]

38. On time, no less.

What crust...

[Tom Rinaldo]

17. Hey, it happens. Our last runner up for the Presidential nomination needed 4+ years to pay her bills

When you have a real shot at the presidency candidates tend to spend money they don't have rather than fall short for lack of resources. Then, the responsible ones, make an effort over time to make good on their debts. Here is what happened after the last Democratic Party contested nomination for President. And Hillary made good, like she was supposed to do. It just takes time


Hillary Clinton's campaign debt finally paid off
Posted by
CNN Political Research Director Robert Yoon

Washington (CNN) – More than four years after suspending her 2008 presidential bid, now-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has finally paid off her campaign debt.

Clinton's presidential organization spent the final day of 2012 paying down the remaining debt, according to documents filed with the Federal Election Commission late Tuesday...
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/22/hillary-clintons-campaign-debt-finally-paid-off/

[George II]

18. That's not a fair comparison - Clinton had a deficit in her treasury in 2008.....

....Sanders on the other hand ended his campaign with more than $5M in his treasury.

[Bluepinky]

26. And Bernie raised it without accepting corporate money or giving lucrative speeches to Wall Street.

[George II]

27. That is false.

[Bluepinky]

28. Whatever you say, sounds like you have your anti-Bernie info at the ready.

I will try not to take the bait again.
Our real concern now should be keeping nuclear weapons away from those with tiny hands and immature brains.
Let go of your Bernie hate, he's not the problem.

[George II]

32. More the other way. The fact is that your claim that Clinton financed her campaign....

....by giving speeches to Wall Street is 110% false.

You can find details of the Federal Campaign Finance Laws here:

https://www.fec.gov/legal-resources/legislation/

[JHan]

33. You've had to share that link so many times on here.

smh

[Bluepinky]

34. Why are people still fanning the Hillary-Bernie flame war?

We have more important things to focus on, like a nuclear holocaust.
We should all be united to protect ourselves from this internal threat to our democracy. Bernie isn't the problem.

I, for one, love that people like Eminem are speaking out against Trump.

[ehrnst]

39. Pointing out facts and discrediting fallacies is "fanning the flames?"

Really?

For who?

[Bluepinky]

86. I never mentioned Clinton in the response, you did.

[George II]

87. Sure, you only said:

"accepting corporate money or giving lucrative speeches to Wall Street".

Okay, I'll play your game, just who were you referring to there? Yogi Berra? Tom Brady? Vladimir Putin? Taylor Swift?

[Bluepinky]

88. You assumed it was Hillary.

You never answered my question, why haven't you and others moved on from the Democratic primary? What's the point of rehashing it over and over, don't you think there are more important issues right now?

Hillary and Bernie aren't the problem, let it go.

[R B Garr]

89. You use an attack line right out of the primary and

then claim to be about letting things go? How weird is that.

edit: this thread is about current news of a threatened lawsuit.

[Bluepinky]

90. Oh it's you again, part of the anti-Bernie pack. No further response needed.

[R B Garr]

95. How dishonest. The anti-Democrat brigade is what brought us Trump.

You bring up a dishonest, unproven smear against our candidate right out of the primaries and then attack me. No wonder you have no response.

[George II]

93. Because the question was illogical since I never never mentioned the Democratic primary. Who...

..."rehashed it"?

[ehrnst]

45. Are you going to back up your accusation that

other candidates took corporate contributions, and financed their campaign with speaking fees?

Do you have the courage of your convictions?

[Eliot Rosewater]

61. The lies told about Hillary are so pervasive and deeply embedded in our national

psyche that most people dont even realize when they are repeating lies.

[Eliot Rosewater]

66. What scares the living shit out of me is they are gonna do it again

impure candidates are gonna not get the votes needed to keep the fascists out.

count on it

[ehrnst]

68. Burn it down if you can't get your way...

It takes privileged white straight men, and the women who love them, to not see the problem with that.

[lunamagica]

76. *Crickets*

[ehrnst]

41. And who did?

Care to put your money where you mouth is?

[R B Garr]

78. These kinds of filthy lies are why we have Trump.

Endless dishonest smears against our nominee should have no place here.

In the meantime, there's an actual, real, open fraud FBI investigation, and it's not about Hillary.

[SunSeeker]

94. Exactly. nt

[melman]

40. Of course

That's totally different. Everybody knows 'hey I don't have the money' is a legit excuse for not paying bills. For four years.

[ehrnst]

42. For whom? (nt)

[George II]

44. Ever hear of loans and interest?

[melman]

46. Right

You'll obviously have a million reasons why one is the crime of the century and the other is totally okay.

[ehrnst]

47. What other? (nt)

[melman]

48. lol

[ehrnst]

50. What other?

Can't back up your post?

[melman]

54. lol

Not playing this game.

[ehrnst]

55. Of course. You can't win.

Not surprisingly, considering the horses you seem to have backed.

[melman]

57. No

That's not it. Sorry.

[ehrnst]

62. Yes

It's exactly that.

Is that clearer?

[George II]

49. Who mentioned a crime?

I guess you don't have much of an understanding of how campaign finances work or how they're governed by Federal and State law.

[ehrnst]

51. Clearly.

Doesn't stop some from posting, tho.

[melman]

52. Some helpful links

https://www.usingenglish.com/glossary/hyperbole.html



http://www.english-grammar-revolution.com/idiomatic-expressions.html

[ehrnst]

53. You seem unclear on the topic

and the question.

Not to mention what meets the definition of "revolution."

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/29/bernie-sanders-ballot-losses-238889

[George II]

58. I'm very familiar with the English language, don't need any help. Back on ignore for you!

[melman]

60. Oh no!

That's just devastating. How will I ever recover?

[ehrnst]

65. Certainly not by being fact checked!

[melman]

69. That makes sense

Oh wait...it actually doesn't.

[ehrnst]

70. Yes it actually does.

At least... if you've been reading the thread.

Especially the part where someone makes false accusation that a candidate took corporate donations or speaking fees for a campaign, in violation of campaign finance law, then scurrying away when confronted on it.

Coming back to you now?

[lapucelle]

80. I don't recall collection agencies being involved in 2008

or the threat of embarrassing lawsuits finally compelling payment with funds on hand that were more than sufficient to pay the money owed with $5,000,000 to spare.

Nor do I recall an argument being made that American taxpayers should pay campaign event bills through funds dispersed to the Secret Service.

Of course, the picture would be clearer if we had a full accounting of the finances, but alas, we don't. Even after returning certain questionable contributions (as per agreement with the FEC), the campaign ended $5,455,167.90 in the black. That was more than enough to pay the debt of $449,409.01.

https://www.fec.gov/data/candidate/P60007168/?cycle=2016&election_full=True

https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/08/18/20074/how-bernie-sanders-beat-clock-and-avoided-disclosure

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/San-Diego-Demands-Payment-from-Sanders-Campaign--396957901.html

[George II]

81. Excellent research, thanks. Some very interesting information, and numbers.

[sheshe2]

82. Thank you.

[lapucelle]

83. There is honor

in arranging with creditors to pay down a debt over time and then working hard to make good on that promise.

[sheshe2]

84. This is the truth, lapucelle.

[NurseJackie]

96. ###

[GaryCnf]

59. Hey that's not fair

Don't you know that this is about bashing Bernie, not about paying bills? Expect a Burlington College story complete with a choice Brady Toensing quote any minute now.

[George II]

85. Really? Can you explain? Thanks.

[GaryCnf]

91. Yes

Thank you for asking.

[lunamagica]

19. K&R.

[Jamaal510]

20. K&R

[sheshe2]

30. K&R

[ehrnst]

37. kicked and recced. (nt)

[left-of-center2012]

64. Haven't other campaigns in the past written off their debts?

Bernie pays his!

[ehrnst]

67. After being threatened with a lawsuit!

[George II]

71. Not debt to others. Federal Campaign Finance laws prohibit candidate committee....

...from "writing off" debt.

From time to time candidates "write off" debt, but in those cases they are personal loans made to their own campaign. Mitt Romney wrote off a $45M debt to himself back in 2012.

It's nothing to applaud that he paid a municipality about $30,000 a year after the debt was incurred, considering he's had a $5M surplus since the end of his campaign.

[pnwmom]

73. He doesn't deserve applause for late payment of a substantial bill. And, no, it isn't legal

for a campaign to "write off" its debts.

Someone who lent money to a campaign -- such as a candidate or family member -- could decide to write off the loan.

But the campaign itself couldn't disavow any debt it had legally incurred.

[Philistein]

74. Not unusual

Many candidates, including some I support and like very much, have taken two or three years to settle up. Completely unremarkable.

[George II]

75. Only in cases where the candidate's committee ended the campaign with a negative balance...

...in this case the campaign has $5M in the bank.

[NurseJackie]

97. THAT is a very important distinction, isn't it?