Why Republican women still voted for Trump

[Miigwech]

after the infamous tape of Trump bragging about sexually assaulting women, at will ... because all the men in their lives, are exactly the same form of miscreant.

[kimbutgar]

1. Those type of women feel lucky they have a man instead of Man feeling lucky he has a woman!

[Willie Pep]

2. There are probably many reasons.

Some of them are socially conservative Christians who likely voted based on cultural issues like abortion. Some are wealthy and voted based on economics/tax cuts. Others might have believed in Trump's promises about jobs. Others are racists or anti-immigrant or anti-Muslim. Some might have hated Hillary because they thought she was corrupt or whatever others reasons Clinton detractors could think of.

I think Republican women probably vote Republican for many of the same reasons that men do.

[SharonClark]

27. Bingo

[NewJeffCT]

49. agreed

Republicans definitely have more one issue voters than Democrats - Abortion and Gun Control being the two primary ones. I had a friend that was pretty liberal on most social issues, but he always voted Republicans because he was brainwashed that Democrats would take away his beloved guns. (He has since passed away due to health issues related to his morbid obesity - if he had better health insurance 5-10 years earlier, maybe his health issues would have been able to have been mitigated?)

[lindysalsagal]

96. HRC was to ignorant white women what Obama was to ignorant black men:

Someone to resent, because those people were supposed to make the ignorant whites feel superior.

But neither did: They're both so impressive, all they get from the ignorant is resentment.

[LuvLoogie]

3. They voted for him because he promised to build the wall, repeal ACA and ban Muslims

That's what he ran on, that was his mantra. That and his racist dog whistles (bull horns). There was no "redeeming reason." Not one.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

5. It is really important to understand to what extent some significant percentage of them

were utterly opposed to a woman President. Any woman. Add in all the baggage that Hillary brought with her, and you have a serious percentage of women as well as men, who were going to vote against her, no matter what.

I kept on saying that back during the primary, but was poo-pooed by those who kept on saying, "She's been vetted! She's bullet proof!" And I kept saying, just because certain things were brought up in the past does NOT mean they won't be brought up again.

But again and more to the point, there was a degree of antipathy to her outside of the Democratic Party that people here do not understand.

[LuvLoogie]

9. Well that would be sexism. Again no redeeming reason.

And Hillary's "baggage" is a bunch of projected bullshit as well. Nobody has more "baggage" than trump.

Nope. It's ultimately the values trump promoted that these women were on board with.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

11. Okay, so it's sexism.

But the point is they voted against her. You can't just dismiss those votes as "sexism". If you do you fundamentally misunderstand and underestimate the genuine antipathy to her.

One of the things that made me utterly crazy last year was the wide-eyed sentiment that Hillary Was The One. That we'd finally nominated a woman to the top office and that it was inevitable that she'd win. There was a naivete that made me absolutely crazy. As well as a profound lack of understanding of the incredible hatred of her out there. Which is why she was such a terrible candidate on so may levels.

And yeah, Trump may have "baggage" but he won the election. And everyone who piously proclaims he's not the President, Hillary is, are wallowing in abysmal ignorance and rejection of the reality of the situation.

[LuvLoogie]

14. More bullshit. People weren't naive and wide-eyed in their support of her.

People were naive and wide-eyed in their hate of her, and in their weak-kneed support of her.

Sorry, the Dems put forth the best candidate. You are going to have to look at the character of the electorate on this one.

That and the electoral college, the Citizens United decision, voter caging. Don't forget there is an ongoing investigation into Russian meddling and trump campaign collusion.

Not going to be gas-lighted into the Hillary was a terrible candidate bullshit. Shame on you. Sell that crap at JPR.

[onetexan]

20. well said

some people hate Hillary so much they would settle for a repugnant, ignorant mysoginist. They got what they wanted. sad.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

21. The Dems did not put forth their best candidate.

She sucked all of the air out of the room very early on, keeping almost any real opposition completely intimidated. Only two opposition candidates stepped forward, Martin O'Malley and Bernie Sanders. O'Malley was quickly dispatched, and to the intense dismay of the Hillary cheerleaders Sanders didn't go away that quickly.

It was my observation that there was a fuck of a lot of naive and wide-eyed OMG! Hillary! She's fabulous! She's a woman! We need to elect a woman President! Let's elect her! on the part of people who in some other election year might have stopped to think about what the candidate actually brought into the contest.

Yes, I understand the Citizens United decision, a true miscarriage of justice if there ever was one. But in the people I knew personally who got on the Hillary bandwagon, to a person they were simply caught up in the OMG Hillary! thing.

I knew that early on she was going to be the candidate and I was in despair because of that. There was never a rational assessment of her candidacy or qualifications. There was just the OMG! Hillary! and a strong sense that this was FINALLY her time. There was also a lot of crap put out there that she'd been "vetted", that every possible negative thing about her had already been brought up and didn't matter, because it had been dealt with. I kept on saying that no, nothing had been "dealt with", and every bit of crap in the past would be brought up again and lots of new stuff besides.

Which is exactly what happened.

She was a terrible candidate in 2008, and she wasn't much better in 2016. She lost the election. The Russian connection aside, she lost the election. She lost because there was a fatal assumption that of course she'd win. There was a lack of attention to what gerrymandering really did to the entire picture. Yes, she won the popular vote, but, Breaking News! we don't elect by popular vote. I wish we did. When I lived in a hugely Republican state I used to say I didn't know why I bothered to vote, because my vote didn't count.

Going forward, Democrats have to do a better job of paying attention to the realities of elections. Until we can get more Democratic controlled legislatures, we'll be behind in every election. And given that the Republicans have underfunded the 2020 census, things don't look to get better any time soon.

[Demit]

25. She lost because of 77,000 votes across three states that gave Trump the electoral college win.

She won the popular vote by almost 3 million votes. It's unprecedented that a candidate would win by that margin and still lose. People bring that up because it's a horrifying fact, not because they don't understand how we elect presidents. The electoral college system perverts the will of the people. Hand-waving that away is just wrong.

And Russian connection aside? LOL! "Other than that, Mrs Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"

She was not a terrible candidate. Yeah, you hate her, we get it. But she was a hugely qualified candidate and 65 million people recognized that. Too bad you didn't.

[SharonClark]

28. Thank you.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

56. I know. What a shame her campaign staff

didn't pay careful enough attention to the way the Electoral College works so as to have gotten the votes they needed in those states. Bet it won't happen again.

[iluvtennis]

57. Well said! +++++++++++++++++++ Agree

[LuvLoogie]

69. They did put forth the best. Who do you think was better. If you want to roll over...

to sexism and bigotry and win over the sexists and bigots, go for it. You lament that she didn't appeal to sexists and bigots enough. Sexists and bigots need not apply. This is the Democratic Underground.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

80. He Who Must Not Be Mentioned Here.

It is possible not to consider Hillary to have been the finest candidate of all time and NOT be being sexist or misogynist. Honest.

It was my personal experience that the most fervent Hillary supporters were caught up almost completely in the thrill of having the first woman President, without carefully looking at all the issues, or comparing who the few primary challengers stacked up against her.

It really does matter that she didn't appeal to sexists and bigots enough. It's hard to recognize that. I haven't quite figured out for myself if this country really is ready for a woman President in the generic sense. Probably, because even when Hillary Clinton got the nomination, she did win the popular vote, despite all the mud that was thrown at her. Please don't misunderstand me. I am as outraged as anyone here that she lost. For years I've muttered that I don't know why I bother to vote in the Presidential column when, almost no matter where I live, my vote doesn't count. If, in 2016, Trump had still won the way he did but Democrats had taken the House and Senate, it's distantly possible that there would have been an immediate move to get rid of the Electoral College. Of course, were Democrats in charge they'd probably have passed legislation strengthening Social Security and Medicare, as well as the ACA. And they'd have impeached Donald by now, although we'd have Pence as our President, but again, in my FantasyLand version of the outcome of last year's election, Democrats would stand up against him.

Generally speaking, demographics are in our favor, but so long as Republicans control so many state houses and are hell bent on erasing the right to vote for so many, those demographics won't help us out as much as they should. We, as a party, need to be doing a lot better job of bringing young people in, get them to run for office at all levels, especially for their state legislatures. It just does not feel as though the party as a whole is doing so.

I live in New Mexico, which overall tends to elect Democrats. It is a competitive state for both parties, however. Both of our Senators and two of our three Representatives are Democrats. Our Governor, Susana Martinez, is a Republican. She was first elected in 2010 when the Dem running had been Bill Richardson's Lt Gov, and he'd become extremely unpopular here. Susana was re-elected in 2014 because the Democratic Party here is often in disarray, so five candidates were in the primary and the voters, in their infinite idiocy, chose Gary King, son of a former Governor, based most likely on name recognition. He lost big time in the general election.

We're coming up on another Governor's race, and it's already something of a cluster-fuck. Sigh.

Here's another thing to keep in mind. We do not have to come together real soon over who our nominee will be in 2020. Look at how toxic and divisive the Republican primary season was last year, and Trump still did incredibly well in the general election. Which proves that the voters of a party can pull together quite nicely after such divisiveness. As did the Democrats.

[DBoon]

79. Bernie was an old cranky leftist

in a more rational world, he would have received the same vote that Deniis Kucinich received previously.

His strong shpwing indicates a problem with voters' perception of Hillary.

In politics, unfortunately perception is reality.

A good solid well qualified candidate may still be difficult to elect.

[MaryMagdaline]

82. Not a terrible candidate

She won popular vote by 3 million votes. A terrible candidate is McGovern or Goldwater. No one "great" ran against her in our party because there is no one great. They would have to knock her out as Obama did or sit it out. Bernie did not beat her. You are assuming that those of us who voted for her did not see her flaws. We saw them. We also saw Bernie's flaws. I don't make a list of bernie's negatives with women because he may be our candidate in the next round. The negatives are h-u-g-e. He might not have gotten the same percentage of white women and would have lost among people of color. I would have voted for him and may one day have to.

You knew we were going to lose because it was Trump's year. Trump was all anyone ever talked about, just as Obama had been. Americans go for personalities, not substance. Hillary, John Kerry and the like cannot compete in that world.

Hillary, among her own baggage, carried NAFTA baggage and TPO. It goes on and on.

Until I can get a majority of Americans to vote for me, I am not going to bash a Democrat who did.

[treestar]

54. Why is there such antipathy?

She was the most qualified. Studies showed she was the most honest. Why was it so easy for people to believe the worst said of her, even without evidence to back that up, and where it was plain made up in some cases?

[delisen]

90. Anyone still thinking she is not the president

is not facing the emerging facts about the election.

Clinton is the revolutionary in our world-as are the major portion of her voters.

She is about true equality, and about placing children first in our world view-this has never been done

We have lived our lives in a world dominated by a worldview in which men are the default "human" and the rest of us are seen as a sub set of men. we are near-humans.

The world view doesn't work for most of us-we have fewer choices and options, we are seen as "the other", and that is how we see ourselves when we are embedded in this cultural worldview.

Some people think they are being revolutionaries when they fight for equal pay for women, or for women's issues as though they are separate from human issues. These people are actually reformers, as we all are when we fight for these good things.

Being a reformer is a good thing. I do not denigrate it.
It helps many people, it moves us toward a culture of true equality but reform alone can never bring us to complete equality. We cannot cross the finish line by reform alone.

If there is not a change in the worldview, reforms can be lost. We are witnessing this process now.

Permanent change requires a revolution in how we see ourselves. It means we all have to move into the default-human position of full personhood.

Revolutionaries will always have baggage--because the beneficiaries of the dominant world view are lightning-quick to recognize the threat and start shooting at the target.

The message to us in the attacks on our candidates "You have chosen a candidate who is unacceptable to our dominance. You must run candidates who do not threaten our world view and the power we derive from it."

I think it is time to change ancient, primative, and so-far enduring worldview. It is time to stop acquiesce to it in the hope of getting a somewhat better deal for us "others."

[bigbrother05]

83. Most of tRump's baggage was invisible to his voters

Either through outright refusal to believe the "fake" news or willful ignorance of anything not spoon fed from Faux News RW radio. Their use of terms like libtard and issues from guns to Confederate flags are clear signs of the resistance to reason that drove their votes.

The ones that on paper should have been reachable (women, educated, middle class) had some internal resistance to pulling the lever for a woman Dem and will likely deny their culpability (I'm a longtime Republican/Christian/Pro-lifer, who could have known it would turn out so bad?).

The thing that drives me nuts is all the GOPers on MSNBC that are trashing him now when none of them were nearly that loud during the campaign and certainly didn't vote for her. Think they want to be around to pick up the pieces and not be strung up when it all hits the fan.

[brush]

89. What we understand is that the election was stolen, no matter what the Hillary blamers say...

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and who somehow think Sanders would've been spared from repug/Russian cheating.

trump's presidency is a sham. Keep saying that for a change.

But it's not the first time repugs have stolen elections. W, twice, Reagan, Nixon, It's what they do.

In this one, 2016, they had Russian help.

[Beartracks]

104. +1 n/t

[whathehell]

34. Conerns about the economy are NOT limited to men..

Women have at least as much interest in economic issues as men, especially, perhaps, when they ate STILL paid about One Third LESS than their male counterparts?

[trixie2]

4. My guess

Is that the men in their lives told them to.

[Docreed2003]

6. You may be right

I vividly remember seeing some women at trump rallies last fall with shirts that suggested they’d be fine with him grabbing them...smh

[Miigwech]

7. Women, Republican women, who voted for Trump

should be ashamed ... and yet they want to hold Hillary responsible for Bill's cheating and that she stayed with her husband who was not a sexual abuser but a plain, vanilla, come on artist . They stood by Trump, the "pussy grabber" who said he was going after a married woman, while he was married himself. "Locker room" talk?
The character of the man was on full display and yet those women voted for Trump. Makes me wonder about their character!

[KT2000]

8. the women I know who voted

for that ick did so because their husbands did and they hated Hillary - not for any particular reason, they just hated her. These are not deep thinking women in fact they don't even care about their husband's sexist comments and belittling behavior towards them.

[LuvLoogie]

10. They hated her because she was smarter than them, more successful, more kind and a better Christian.

And deep down they know it. She has achieved, without hate for others, what they envy.

[iluvtennis]

17. Agree. And I'd also add, some women just couldn't fathom a woman being POTUS...they've

been "programmed" to believe a woman is unworthy. I know, some women being a misogynists is hard to swallow, but it's unfortunately true.

[whathehell]

37. All oppressed people tend to internalize the disrespect they are shown

not just women. It's tragic.

[iluvtennis]

58. Excellent point...I agree with you.

[whathehell]

60. Yes, thank you. n/t

[KT2000]

22. yes - her success puts pressure

on some women because they know they can't measure up and they don't want to try. They also can't see beyond themselves to even see more opportunities for their daughters.
It was strange that during the election, some assumed all women would vote for her.

[quakerboy]

16. Those decades of programming their audience to hate Hillary

paid off for the Right, biggly.

[KT2000]

23. and I believe part

of that programming was aimed at women who were threatened by Hillary's success in life. They saw her as upsetting the status quo that makes them the "good women."

[quakerboy]

71. Could be

Though I suspect with the literal decades of vitriol and lies and smearing.. the reality of Hillary Clinton was essentially if not actually irrelevant.

[whathehell]

38. Yes, absolutely.

Based on contacts I have in Europe, the concept of her supposed corruption was widespread

[bullwinkle428]

50. Bingo - that pretty much describes the one woman in my family

that I know voted for the pig.

[marybourg]

12. They don't want to be thought to be feminists.

They want to be femacho.

[ProfessorGAC]

45. Clever Turn of Phrase, Mary!

Femacho. That's pretty good!

[TheFrenchRazor]

102. low self-esteem and fear of not catching a man; desperate to show men that they're "one of the guys

guys," and not a "man-hating feminist."

[Doreen]

13. I think a lot of these women had been "trained" all of their lives by men.

They had probably lived a lifetime of abuse. They marry what they were raised with and continue to be controlled. I think that a lot of those women are brainwashed from the time they are born and their best defense is to be just like their men. There would probably be serious consequences for them if they did anything different at all from what their man wants. I know this is not all of them but I would bet it is a lot of them.

[Miigwech]

15. I agree

these women have never felt liberated from male dominance ... or never wanted to be

[TheFrenchRazor]

100. this; a lot of women care more about the opinions of their male masters than they do about their own

own opinions. it definitely springs from a lifetime of being told that men's opinions matter more, and from low self-esteem/self-confidence.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

18. Many "Conservative" women follow a strict covert code of authoritarianism.

The hierarchy might be something like this:

1. God.
2. Their pastor.
3. Their father/grandfather.
4. Their husband.
5. Their mother/grandmother.

In this case, #1, #2, #3, and #4 told them to vote for Trump. Period. Now go fix dinner, Martha.

In addition, many Republicans live in a 24/7 bubble of right-wing dogma from Faux News and talk radio. They have heard the Clintons being trashed and blamed weekly for everything genital warts to hurricanes since the 90s.

[TheFrenchRazor]

101. true. nt

[barbtries]

19. i think the republican part has more to do with it.

judging from women i know. but truthfully i don't believe there is an explanation that makes sense. there is a sickness in the country, it crosses gender lines.

[Kaleva]

24. Majority of white women, 53%, voted for Trump

I think it's a little more complicated then what you suggest in your OP as to why a majority of white women voted for Trump.

[LisaM]

86. Because the vast majority of Republican women are white.

Women voters overall went for Hillary. I'm tired of this parsed statistic. I'm also tired of people who vote against their own self interest, and in most of the scenarios where people do so, they are Republican.

[Kaleva]

92. Or, the majority of white women are or lean Republican

[LisaM]

93. I don't think that's true.

I think rich ones are, though, and people who go to evangelical churches.

I (unfortunately) know women who just don't identify with a party at all, and I think these are people who've been misled into believing that politics is unimportant. Heck, women haven't even been voting in the country for 100 years, which seems impossible, but it's true.

[Kaleva]

94. Exit polling shows it to be true

Maybe not a majority of white women in general are or lean Republican but the polling shows, election after election, that nationwide a simple majority of the white women who go to the polls to vote, do vote for the Republican candidate.

[LisaM]

95. Well, that wasn't what you said.

You said a majority of white women.

I think that there a lot of women who don't vote, or even identify with either party. I would bet the percentage of women who don't vote period is lower than the percentage of men who don't.

[Kaleva]

97. Well, it certainly was implied

The title of the OP is:

"Why Republican women still voted for Trump"

We are discussing women who voted. And I am correct in saying that a majority of white women voted for Trump in the last election.

[LisaM]

98. No, a majority of white women WHO VOTED.

Maybe you don't get the distinction. There are many women who don't vote, for various reasons.

[Kaleva]

99. But the thread is about women who voted.

Those women who did not vote, even though it was in their best interest for Hillary to win, by default ended up supporting Trump.

[Orrex]

26. They voted for him because they are idiot racist fuckheads.

All other explanations are incidental.


Note to my beloved lurking readers from The Disasterist and Conservative Sewer: You're idiot racist fuckheads, too.

[oberliner]

30. That is just one basket

As HRC said, there are multiple baskets of Trump voters. The group you mentioned is one of them, but not all of them.

[Orrex]

33. At the end of the day, they all fit in that basket

Whatever their claimed motivations, they voted for the idiot racist fuckhead. They are, therefore, idiot racist fuckheads.

Other species of Trump voter are idiot sexist fuckheads, idiot homophobic fuckhead, idiot lazy fuckhead, idiot delusional fuckhead, and idiot corporate fuckhead, but at the end of the day one basket is just fine.

Fuck every last one of them.

[oberliner]

40. Personally, I agree with Hillary's assessment

"But the other basket -- and I know this because I see friends from all over America here -- I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas -- as well as, you know, New York and California -- but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well."

[Orrex]

42. Well, she was obliged to use language more polite than mine

But IMO she and I are saying essentially the same thing.

[oberliner]

43. Fair enough

It is disturbing to think that our country is filled with so many awful people.

[Orrex]

44. And that, alas, is the sad damn truth (nt)

[treestar]

55. No concern for the country

or anyone but themselves. Nobody cares about them! LOL aren't they the same ones demanding everyone else pick themselves up by their boot straps, quit being whining snowflakes?

[bullwinkle428]

51. It's like what John Fugelsang says - not all of them are racists, but all

of them are at least okay with the idea of racism.

[Orrex]

52. That's why he gets paid for funny eloquence...

while I ramble on an anonymous internet forum.

#findyourownlevel

[oberliner]

29. That is ridiculous

And is not why Republican women voted for Trump.

[HopeAgain]

31. Women can be fearful racists too

The OP seems to imply that all women would only do the right thing but for bad men in their lives. Besides the obvious man hating, it's just stupid to think women are less capable of hate.

[lunasun]

106. I've encountered plenty of hateful racist women when no white man was anywhere around

They can be very erratic and its sort of sexist to paint them as puppets of men who are controlling thier actions and voting
I think there's been enough Twitter videos of these beasts going off , and that's not including all the trump voters who keep thiat kind of talk at home

[DinahMoeHum]

32. Any woman who votes for Trump and/or the GOP is either. . .

a) Stupid

b) In on the racket herself

or

c) Married to a man who is in on the racket.

[Orrex]

35. I agree with 1 & 2

We owe it to these women to believe that they are idiot racist fuckheads all an their own, without the men in their lives telling them to be idiot racist fuckheads.

[rainin]

36. My mom voted for him

because she watches Fox. Period.

[HopeAgain]

39. There's a channel button on every remote

It's not like anyone is forced to watch Fox. Just sayin'...

[rainin]

41. She watches Fox

It shapes her opinions. Why would she change channels? Fox is the only true news in her opinion. All other news is fake. That's why she voted for Trump. It's really simple.

[jmg257]

46. Not even close. You might want to get out an meet a few of them, and their families.

Around here there are plenty.

[GaryCnf]

47. Patronize much?

The "splaining" about the motivations of one demographic group, particularly where it belittles those motivations, wreaks of the same air of superiority that wafted through when we were treated to explanations about why black voters voted the way we did.

Let me suggest that women vote the way they do because they have determined it is in their self-interest, just like every other sensate human being.

(Notice I removed the qualifier "Republican." The fact is that white women vote Republican by a substantial margin (not as substantial as white men, mind you, but still substantial). Furthermore, while it is true that black women are the most consistent Democratic constituency (as are, to a lesser extent, all other women of color), the fact that their voting patterns are consistent with those of black men suggests - although obviously does not prove - that this is related more to our race than to their gender.)

(Notice also that I have removed Secretary Clinton from the equation. Our failure to attract women voters is not limited to the last election.)

Instead of belittling women voters by painting them as so disempowered that they vote against their own interests (much like the infamous "Stockholm Syndrome" posters did when the subject was why black voters vote the way they do), maybe we should focus on what THE PARTY is failing to do to address their interests.

[FiveGoodMen]

61. "because they have determined it is in their self-interest"

Explain that.

I double-dare you.

[GaryCnf]

62. You double dare me to explain

That women base their votes on what they conclude best serves their interests and values?

Are you kidding me?

Let me guess, you in your wisdom knows better what best serves women's interests and values?

[FiveGoodMen]

65. Better than for them to think the GOP is on their side.

You mother-fucking bet I know better than that.

So does anyone with a three-digit IQ.

[GaryCnf]

66. While your at if

Maybe you can tell me about my interests. After all, just because I'm black doesn't mean I know what's in my best interests any more than women know what's in theirs

[FiveGoodMen]

67. No, no, by all means

If you want to vote for Trump because it's in your interest as a black person, by my guest.

[GaryCnf]

68. I vote for whomever I determine best serves my interest and values

Now, for over forty years that has been the Democrat in every single election, but not one of them got my vote because someone else defined my interests that way.

[FiveGoodMen]

70. Hypothethically, suppose I know that a mine has been buried in the sidewalk of a street

where you're currently walking.

I guess that if I warned you not to step there, you'd tell me that I don't know what's in your best interest.

[GaryCnf]

72. Hypothetically

What if I told you there is nothing you can tell me about any interest I have specific to my race that I don't know better than you already. Obviously, we all share interests as human beings and your opinion as to those is as valid as anyone's, but when you start preaching to me about what is important to black folks or to women about what is important to women, you are out of your depth.

[FiveGoodMen]

73. "what is important to black folks or to women"

So, you're saying that a party that wants -- very clearly wants -- to take away women's right to choose to give birth or not...

A party that is against any kind of fairness legislation (so that would include equal pay, equal employment rights, etc.)...

A party largely populated by those who think women should be subservient to men ( and stay at home "where they belong" )...

THAT PARTY is possibly in the interest of women and, either way, I can't possibly know because I'm not a woman.

Have I got that right?

[GaryCnf]

74. You're description of GOPers is spot on

Your lecturing people about THEIR and NOT YOUR life experiences is . . . nice word . . . presumptuous.

[FiveGoodMen]

75. So, again, you're saying that the things I listed as problems are not problems for you

[GaryCnf]

78. As a man, my opinion is nothing more

than that.

However, since you asked my opinion, not only are they all contrary to my values and my interests, they are just the tip of the iceberg.

[m-lekktor]

64. Excellent post. nt

[johnp3907]

48. Because they're scumbags.

[meadowlark5]

53. Right after the p***y grabbing comment - I posted here pretty much the same thing

I grew up in the midwest in a small, rural town where most families were farmers or worked at the local beef packing plant. I grew up with all of the guys talking that way towards the girls.

Last year was my class reunion. I went back and watched the 40 and 50 somethings I knew back home talk to the women in degrading ways - including me. Which I found rather astonishing as I have been moved away from there for almost 40yrs. But that's they way they talk to women and the women just laugh it off.

Example: I was at one of my classmate's house. In the door comes a friend of mine from high school and her husband. He walks in behind her, grabs her by the hips, slams his pelvis into her butt and proclaims, "Man I'm horny!" She just laughs and brings her potluck food to the counter and sets it down.

Then, I was sitting and chatting when one of the guys I know motions for me to come over to him with his index finger - you know the gesture of curling your index finger telling someone to come over to them. So, I got up and started walking over but he steps into the house. His friend is sitting there so I asked what he wanted. His friend says, "Oh, he said he could make you come with one finger." WTF?

[bearsfootball516]

76. This is exactly how a lot of rural towns in the midwest are

I grew up in one as well.

The brutal honesty is that a lot of women simply don't care about comments like that. They've lived their lives hearing males say stuff like that, so when they hear Trump say it, it almost normalizes him to them. It makes him seem more like he's one of them.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

59. Because they hate POC even more than they hate themselves.

Which is really saying something.

[mountain grammy]

63. The women I know who voted trump

did so because men told them to hate Hillary and because they're racist.

[JoeStuckInOH]

77. I always assumed it was for devilishly good looks. nt

[muntrv]

81. ignorance.

[Thirties Child]

84. I continually go back to my attitude when I lived in a small town in the Texas Panhandle

I was conservative and I was young. (Still in high school.) I kept thinking, "There's so many of them and so few of us." Meaning we didn't have a chance politically. I wonder if the Trump voters in rural America had the same attitudes. So many of them and so few of us. But, finally, someone is listening. Yeah, sure. And now we're all going to pay for those votes. Pay bigly.

[saidsimplesimon]

85. Miigwech

Lots of replies, not enough recommends, imo. Miscreants are in vogue it seems.

[MaryMagdaline]

87. Think of the children

Let's not forget that white women expect white men to secure their children's place as the number one race in the country. I am a while woman and if I hear another WW complain that their kid did not get into Harvard because of Malia Obama (a double legacy no less), I will lose my mind. They don't need their men to talk them into voting Republican; often, white women are pushing hard for the white vote. It's amazing that the more "traditional" cultures, AA and Hispanic, are less misogynistic in their voting preferences. More likely, they simply are less racist.

[haele]

88. Because their fear of hellfire or hate of "liberals" was greater than their disgust of man-children

I've heard from conservative women who used to be shipmates or friends back before the 2000's. Pretty much to a woman, they were church-going and their goals was always based on how simple and comfortable their life could be.
While at the time, they may not have appeared to have been racists or being concerned with other people's sexuality, now-a-days it seems as if they've got the "well, if everyone would just be like us or agree with us, everything will be great" mindset. Did I mention that for the most part, they watch Fox and complain about all those hateful Liberals who are trying to punish them for being Christian, or for trying to be comfortable in their little worlds.
After all, Trump was on TV, and he seemed like a reasonable guy that the local Preacher likes - kind of a richer version of that loan department manager down at the regional bank office, or that car lot owner who sponsors the Little League Teams - not a politician. And he's against that Socialism and big Government, and he's actually getting Pro-Life stuff done, which shows he's a real Patriotic American. Yeah, he might be a bit skeevy and sometimes crude, and he might have taken advantage of people who did work for him, but hey - he's a guy, and that's how they are when they get money...and he's a Smart Businessman. These women bought into the idea that we should run this country like a Business, instead of a Liberal Playground...

And they know and socialize with guys like him. He doesn't scare them, and he's not going to get them to change. They can live in their nice little rural or suburban snowglobes, pretend that everything's just peachy God-Fearingly on the way to perfect, and they don't have to worry about how anyone or anything out side of their world is being affected.

They're tired of having to deal day to day with a stressfully huge and alien World - it's time the World needs to shrink and change to their way of life.

And that's why they voted for him. He is going to punish the World for being big and confusing.

Haele

[bearsfootball516]

91. I spent a few years living in a city called Muncie, Indiana

Population, about 75,000. But it's surrounded by small towns, Selma, Gaston, Cowan, etc.

I interacted with a lot of these people for my job. I can tell you, nobody moves into those towns from outside. I'd be willing to bet that 95 percent or higher of their populations are people who were born there, raised there, got a job there and never left.

They've never been more than 75-100 miles outside of their town. They have no idea what a big city is like. They're more than content to live in their small town of 3,000 people and do the same thing, day after day.

And they absolutely hate change. So when Obama was elected, they were terrified. And when Trump ran on his "Make America Great Again" slogan, they heard the dog whistle loud and clear, it meant to go back to before Obama was president.

They didn't care what kind of insulting remarks Trump made, they just wanted "their" America back. Their white, uneventful, don't upset the status quo America.

[marybourg]

103. This is unlikely to be true.

Several millions of women voted for tRump. Their husbands could not possibly
be "all" or "exactly" the same.

Posters upthread were closer to the truth.

[stonecutter357]

105. if Republican women vote for a racist pig Republican women are a racist pig ....