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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsdonnie is a transformative president. our attacks and complaints miss the mark.
while donnie appears to be scattered, it is only by traditional measures that he appears so.
while donnie appears not to have an agenda, it is only by traditional measures that he appears so.
while donnie appears not to be accomplishing anything, it is only by traditional measures that he appears so.
donnie is a paradigm-shifter. well, in truth, the paradigm shift didn't originate with him, but rather, like most transformative leaders, they're really just riding a wave started by others. they're really just the symbolic head of a mass movement.
in donnie's case, the wave has roots in nixon's southern and reagan's vaguely cloaked appeal to bigotry. it was amplified by rush limbaugh and hate radio and really took off with foxnews.
it's the white nationalist movement.
donnie appears to be scattered because he seems easily distracted and going on seemingly random twitterrages. but these rants are actually quite systematic. he's methodically siding with whites, men, americans of european decent, christians, and the able-bodied. he's methodically identifying "others" and insulting them in order to clearly put them in a lower social status than his preferred group of white christian able-bodied european-american men.
it may seem the insults are for simply disagreeing with him, but that's not the point, or actually, that helps make the point. he's insulting them because they come from what to his mind is a lower class (non-whites, women, etc.)
with enough of these insults repeated and consistently applied to these "others", it helps create and strengthen that image in the public consciousness.
it appears donnie has no agenda because he goes from one legislative topic to another or appears to lack a coherent political philosophy. but again that misses the point.
his agenda *is* the white nationalist agenda. passing laws is only one way to advance his agenda. relentless coverage of his redefining the debate, societal norms, social status, etc., is a major component and on that front he is has a clear agenda.
virtually everything he does makes much more sense once we recognize that he is the white nationalist president. he ran a white nationalist campaign, uses white nationalist rhetoric, and is trying to remake the fabric of this country in a white nationalist image.
it may seem he's not accomplishing anything, but once again, that's only because we focus on the wrong thing. so he hasn't signed many laws. but he has dominated political discussion and turned it completely upside down, so that everything is a matter of cultural identity. in his mind and in all his actions, white christian able-bodied european-american men are the only americans, and he is redefining all others as, well, "others". not real americans.
he started back with obama, treating him as a not real american for a seemingly nonsensical reason that he supposedly wasn't born in this country and forged his birth certificate or whatever. but the real reason was always that obama is black. because of that, he's not a real american in donnie's vision.
and that's exactly the disease that dominates the media every day since he came down that escalator (and many days before even that).
if we're not careful, the change in our society will outlive donnie's tenure in the white house. other republicans might retreat from the overtness and obviousness of donnie, but they'll continue to avoid intellectual debate on policy matters and further reduce all political discussion to class identification.
he is *far* more dangerous than most of us realize, and i'm not even getting into the nuclear button aspect.
samnsara
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(52,126 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)It's just too damned scary to contemplate the long term consequences right now.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Reagan's racism was overt. His was a direct appeal to racism.
And Trump is defining the debate, and forcing the Democrats to respond or defend. The GOP is very successful at defining the terms and limits of policy debate. Witness the ACA, a mildly reworked Romneycare.
LakeVermilion
(1,037 posts)Talk to someone who voted for him. The Trump supporters, whom I talk to, think he is doing a fabulous job. They are entertained by the reaction of the media and our voting block. They are getting their revenge after year's of perceived persecution. No one has pain like they do. They are insatiable. Despite Clinton agreeing to new limits in welfare, they don't see any change. They have become ruthless in their assault on pensions. They're after other skin colors, intellectuals, other religions, and many more.
Trump supporters have made us a second world country. This is a war, and they will give no ground. Vice President Cheney had 20% of the public support him. Trump has 35%. In my mind none of those voters are coming back.
unblock
(52,126 posts)donnie's doesn't care about the vast majority of the people the rest of us recognize as americans.
in his world, the only people who matter are the white men, etc. the rest of us don't count.
so he couldn't give a damn about his overall numbers being 35%. he didn't need a majority to win, and our opinions aren't valid in his mind.
the only figures he cares about are his approval ratings *among white men, non-muslim, etc.*
on that score he's actually slipping as well, but i think he's still something crazy like around 85%, down from 95%.
that's the "real america" in his mind, and he's president of that america.
he's not trying to be president for the rest of us, we're not even americans in his way of thinking.
KT2000
(20,568 posts)we are truly living in different worlds. Not the tRump has read anything but this is Ayn Rand's dream come true. The elites rule and "others" are to be used. This is also the republican creed.
BootinUp
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(52,126 posts)but then, how long did a white minority rule in south africa?
BootinUp
(47,085 posts)They could possibly win again 1 more time. But I think the chances of that are low. My instincts say that when they (rural white assholes) lose the next time, it's going to cost them. IOW the backlash will be extreme relatively speaking.
volstork
(5,399 posts)I hope you are correct!
unblock
(52,126 posts)It's possible that democrats regain the house in 2018, the senate in 2020, and the White House in 2024 if not 2020 also. Also that the Republican Party goes in a serious spiral of decline.
It's also possible that at the same time, our national discourse further declines into trump-esque class identifications and glorification or dismissing.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)The institution that will be transformed the most is the Republican Party. There are very few moderate conservatives left. They have all fallen in line.