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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow does the Christian right choke this moron down?
They have to see what he is.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)They have faith and can't question the deity.
Renew Deal
(81,855 posts)They all were of you look at things that way
defacto7
(13,485 posts)But it was a mistake of man. God was punishing us with Obama. No self respecting god would ever choose a man of color to be the President. God let us wallow in our sin.
note to self.......
(and may I wallow in the sin of Obama for eternity)
msongs
(67,395 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)What a bummer.
get the red out
(13,461 posts)That is exactly what they are about, HATE!
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)Reported from the front lines. Lol
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Baconator
(1,459 posts)... Tacked onto a healthy amount of prosperity gospel.
Plus they're all just as "sinful" as the rest of us and identify with him on an id level.
He acts how they'd like to act if they had "fuck you money"
randr
(12,409 posts)Lsos is just the snake oil salesman de jour
Willie Pep
(841 posts)They will thus vote for whoever appears to be the most anti-abortion candidate. But there are other Christians who are conservative across the board so Trump is a good fit for them. There is a certain type of Christian thinking that has a "harda**" attitude toward poor people. The basic concept is that poor people are struggling because they are immoral. Rod Dreher is a good example of this way of thinking. He is always obsessing over the latest moral outrage like family breakdown among the poor and working class. He never asks himself if maybe some of these social problems are caused by bad right-wing economic policies that make family life more stressful for the less affluent. I never see conservatives support unions or other progressive policies that might make life better for people. No, it is always moralistic finger-wagging.
Sorry for the rant but as a Roman Catholic who takes the Church's social doctrine seriously I really get annoyed with the Christian Right. They remind me of the Pharisees who were so arrogant and convinced of their own righteousness that they developed cold hearts toward other people whom they deemed to be more sinful than they were.
JHB
(37,158 posts)...because doing so was a "Catholic thing". Oh, it's not as if they were supporters, but it wasn't a subject they'd burn the house down over, either.
It wasn't until the late 70s and 80s -- not so coincidentally when Movement Conservatives were trying to get them to support Republicans -- that it started making inroads as something they thumped a drum over. And that basically as another way to paint feminists as tools and agents of Satan.
Willie Pep
(841 posts)You are correct that for decades abortion was only a "Catholic thing." Randall Balmer wrote a good article about the rise of the Evangelical Right back in 2014.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)Orrex
(63,203 posts)RandySF
(58,772 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)And pulpit worship: Whatever the pastor says is gospel.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)I really wish it were more complicated than that, but I don't think it is.
dalton99a
(81,455 posts)icymist
(15,888 posts)If you can't see that they are of the same mind set, then... well, I don't know.
JI7
(89,247 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)More bullshit code.
Orrex
(63,203 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,307 posts)The Christian Right changed how we talked about race. The Christian Right emerged from school desegregationand forged a movement around taxes and religious freedom. In 1978, the Internal Revenue Service sought to revoke tax exemptions for schools formed as white-flight havens from the public schools. The backlash was overwhelming. The IRS received more than a quarter of a million letters against the proposed rules. Congressional hearings reframed the issue from an attack on segregation to an attack on religion by meddlesome bureaucrats. As Newt Gingrich, then a freshman representative, explained, The IRS should collect taxesnot enforce social policy.
Early in 1979, Jerry Falwell formed Moral Majority, the premier organization for the new Christian Right. Falwell ran a segregated academy that would almost certainly have run afoul of the IRS guidelines. In 1967, the same year the local public schools desegregated, Lynchburg Christian Academy opened its doors. As of the fall of 1979, it had an all-white faculty, and only five African-Americans among the 1,147 students.
In August 1979, Congress inserted riders into the appropriations bill for the Treasury Department to prevent the IRS from implementing the proposed regulations. A fight over desegregation had galvanized white evangelicals to oppose meddlesome bureaucrats, and the movement was born.
It made abortion a partisan issue. The Christian Right made opposition to abortionwhich until the Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade in 1973 had been a Catholic issueinto an evangelical and Republican cause. The Bibles text says nothing about abortion per se. Even W. A. Criswell, known as the Baptist Pope, initially praised Roe. It was only after a child was born and had life separate from its mother, he argued, that it became an actual person. Until the mid-1980s, Republicans in the electorate favored fewer restrictions on abortion than did Democrats; in Congress, partisan divides between pro-choice and pro-life votes grew threefold in the two decades after Roe.
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/brief-history-of-the-christian-right
Via Fred Clark at Slacktivist, who has written much on the hypocrisy of the Christian right (he's a progressive Christian). He's well worth reading on the subject:
Abortion and homosexuality came later. They were products of Reaganism, not the other way around.
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On July 31st, just days before Reagan went to Neshoba County, the New York Times reported that the Ku Klux Klan had endorsed Reagan. In its newspaper, the Klan said that the Republican platform reads as if it were written by a Klansman. Reagan rejected the endorsement, but only after a Carter cabinet official brought it up in a campaign speech. The dubious connection did not stop Reagan from using segregationist language in Neshoba County.
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And that same Southern Strategy also created the space for the religious right the large, now uniformly partisan white evangelical voting bloc. Those white evangelical voters today not just in the South, but throughout the country are overwhelmingly Republican. Ask them why and theyll tell you, honestly and accurately, that its mainly because of the current roster of culture-war issues abortion, homosexuality, abortion, etc.
Read more at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2015/08/27/the-culture-war-has-always-been-about-race/#LhriG84Jcr5PBroB.99
Vogon_Glory
(9,117 posts)The Christian Right is highly talented in the art of self-deception, rivaling and perhaps surpassing all those deluded "fellow travelers" who generations ago apologized for Stalin's tyranny.
In the here-and-now, we progressives, both believers and secular alike, wonder and are appalled.
Bible quote for dealing with the RR mindset: see Matthew Chapter 23, verse 24.
JHB
(37,158 posts)Not all that different, really. And for the differences, mostly of style, what else could they expect of someone from Sodom and Gomorrah on the Hudson?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Vinca
(50,267 posts)The lot of them are batshit crazy, so they see the standard blond Jesus hair and outstretched arms and go weak in the knees. What else could it be? If there was an anti-Bible bible, Trump would be the star of it given he's a pussy-grabbing, money worshipper who is actively letting the people of Puerto Rico die and doesn't care if any American can afford to see a doctor. And that's just the first paragraph of the book.
yardwork
(61,590 posts)HAB911
(8,888 posts)and Appeals Courts
Simple calculus
Renew Deal
(81,855 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)But they don't REALLY believe the Bible. It's a combination social club, hate society to them.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)They have in many cases totally perverted the merciful teachings of Christ, especially around the ideals of truth and compassion and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
* republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief
dlk
(11,552 posts)That's why Trump is their guy.
Vogon_Glory
(9,117 posts)And use the next time some Right-wing Fundy tries to play "Holier-than-thou" games on you and your beliefs.
Iggo
(47,549 posts)Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)As long as he hates gays. And makes it so they can discriminate
spanone
(135,824 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)It's the only thing they all have in common and it's also a tenet of fascism for that very reason.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)1) Made human beings (thereby defining the limits of what we can do)
2) Set standards for those humans that he knew they couldn't meet (he knows everything, remember?)
3) Decided on the basis of #1 & #2 that it was all our fault despite the fact that it was all his doing
4) Concluded that torturing US forever was the appropriate response!
5) Eventually gave us a conditional way out by arranging to get himself tortured and killed (temporarily)
6) Still won't help anyone who does not believe the above despite the complete lack of evidence.
If you'll call THAT "God" then Trump probably seems just fine.
Kablooie
(18,626 posts)If they are told he is making America great again, to them that's what he's doing.
Don't expect any impartial consideration of facts from those people.