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How does the Christian right choke this moron down? (Original Post) mahina Oct 2017 OP
But he's chosen by God. defacto7 Oct 2017 #1
Obama was chosen by God Renew Deal Oct 2017 #28
And the answer is....... defacto7 Oct 2017 #39
he appeals to their moral values because he shares them. hate and fear rule their lives nt msongs Oct 2017 #2
good answer Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #4
Bingo. mahina Oct 2017 #12
Good answer get the red out Oct 2017 #37
At this point they r ignoring him. BootinUp Oct 2017 #3
lols mahina Oct 2017 #13
Because they aren't any better. Solly Mack Oct 2017 #5
Means to an end... Baconator Oct 2017 #6
They have been consuming bullshit all their lives randr Oct 2017 #7
Some of them are single-issue voters on abortion. Willie Pep Oct 2017 #8
The irony is that evangelicals didn't used to get in a lather over abortion... JHB Oct 2017 #21
Yes the Evangelical Right was originally about segregation and not abortion. Willie Pep Oct 2017 #41
Now their panties are in a twist about both... Wounded Bear Oct 2017 #42
Oh how I wish that someone would ask Trump how many abortions he's paid for Orrex Oct 2017 #24
They hate us too much to care. RandySF Oct 2017 #9
Raw self-righteousness. KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2017 #10
He hates all the people they hate. LeftyMom Oct 2017 #11
Bingo. dalton99a Oct 2017 #26
They are of the same theocratic and fascist mindset. icymist Oct 2017 #14
because the Christian Right, particularly the White Evagelicals are actually White Supremacists JI7 Oct 2017 #15
The Christian Right does not care about Jesus Christ. They just care about the culture war. DetlefK Oct 2017 #16
This Cosmocat Oct 2017 #19
Because he's not afraid to say what they think. Orrex Oct 2017 #17
The Christian Right grew from a movement to keep schools racially segregated muriel_volestrangler Oct 2017 #18
The Christian Right Is Highly Talented In The Art Of Self-Deception Vogon_Glory Oct 2017 #20
Compare evangelical megachurch preachers to Trump... JHB Oct 2017 #22
They trust their Elmer Gantry leaders: Robertson; Osteen; et al. WinkyDink Oct 2017 #23
I've been wondering if they've somehow convinced themselves he's the second coming. Vinca Oct 2017 #25
Theyre the biggest hypocrites the world has ever known. yardwork Oct 2017 #27
They sold their souls to Satan in exchange for the USSC HAB911 Oct 2017 #29
Hypocrisy Renew Deal Oct 2017 #30
Of course they see who he is.... Adrahil Oct 2017 #31
By embracing Comrade Casino*, they are the "Anti-Christian right" Achilleaze Oct 2017 #32
In Many Ways, The Christian Right is Just Another White, Male Supremacy Organization dlk Oct 2017 #33
Matthew Chapter 23, verse 24 Check it out Vogon_Glory Oct 2017 #34
Power. (n/t) Iggo Oct 2017 #35
His morality does not matter Soxfan58 Oct 2017 #36
because they are fake christians spanone Oct 2017 #38
Their over riding motivation is hatred of "Liberal" Cary Oct 2017 #40
They worship a god who ... FiveGoodMen Oct 2017 #43
They've been trained since birth to see and believe only what they are told to. Kablooie Oct 2017 #44

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
39. And the answer is.......
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 11:10 AM
Oct 2017

But it was a mistake of man. God was punishing us with Obama. No self respecting god would ever choose a man of color to be the President. God let us wallow in our sin.

note to self.......
(and may I wallow in the sin of Obama for eternity)

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
6. Means to an end...
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 02:29 AM
Oct 2017

... Tacked onto a healthy amount of prosperity gospel.

Plus they're all just as "sinful" as the rest of us and identify with him on an id level.

He acts how they'd like to act if they had "fuck you money"

Willie Pep

(841 posts)
8. Some of them are single-issue voters on abortion.
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 02:57 AM
Oct 2017

They will thus vote for whoever appears to be the most anti-abortion candidate. But there are other Christians who are conservative across the board so Trump is a good fit for them. There is a certain type of Christian thinking that has a "harda**" attitude toward poor people. The basic concept is that poor people are struggling because they are immoral. Rod Dreher is a good example of this way of thinking. He is always obsessing over the latest moral outrage like family breakdown among the poor and working class. He never asks himself if maybe some of these social problems are caused by bad right-wing economic policies that make family life more stressful for the less affluent. I never see conservatives support unions or other progressive policies that might make life better for people. No, it is always moralistic finger-wagging.

Sorry for the rant but as a Roman Catholic who takes the Church's social doctrine seriously I really get annoyed with the Christian Right. They remind me of the Pharisees who were so arrogant and convinced of their own righteousness that they developed cold hearts toward other people whom they deemed to be more sinful than they were.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
21. The irony is that evangelicals didn't used to get in a lather over abortion...
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 06:55 AM
Oct 2017

...because doing so was a "Catholic thing". Oh, it's not as if they were supporters, but it wasn't a subject they'd burn the house down over, either.

It wasn't until the late 70s and 80s -- not so coincidentally when Movement Conservatives were trying to get them to support Republicans -- that it started making inroads as something they thumped a drum over. And that basically as another way to paint feminists as tools and agents of Satan.

Willie Pep

(841 posts)
41. Yes the Evangelical Right was originally about segregation and not abortion.
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 11:50 AM
Oct 2017

You are correct that for decades abortion was only a "Catholic thing." Randall Balmer wrote a good article about the rise of the Evangelical Right back in 2014.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133



LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
11. He hates all the people they hate.
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 03:41 AM
Oct 2017

I really wish it were more complicated than that, but I don't think it is.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
14. They are of the same theocratic and fascist mindset.
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 04:15 AM
Oct 2017

If you can't see that they are of the same mind set, then... well, I don't know.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
18. The Christian Right grew from a movement to keep schools racially segregated
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 06:39 AM
Oct 2017
How The Christian Right Ended Up Transforming American Politics

The Christian Right changed how we talked about race. The Christian Right emerged from school desegregation—and forged a movement around taxes and religious freedom. In 1978, the Internal Revenue Service sought to revoke tax exemptions for schools formed as white-flight havens from the public schools. The backlash was overwhelming. The IRS received more than a quarter of a million letters against the proposed rules. Congressional hearings reframed the issue from an attack on segregation to an attack on religion by meddlesome bureaucrats. As Newt Gingrich, then a freshman representative, explained, “The IRS should collect taxes—not enforce social policy.”

Early in 1979, Jerry Falwell formed Moral Majority, the premier organization for the new Christian Right. Falwell ran a segregated academy that would almost certainly have run afoul of the IRS guidelines. In 1967, the same year the local public schools desegregated, Lynchburg Christian Academy opened its doors. As of the fall of 1979, it had an all-white faculty, and only five African-Americans among the 1,147 students.

In August 1979, Congress inserted riders into the appropriations bill for the Treasury Department to prevent the IRS from implementing the proposed regulations. A fight over desegregation had galvanized white evangelicals to oppose meddlesome bureaucrats, and the movement was born.

It made abortion a partisan issue. The Christian Right made opposition to abortion—which until the Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade in 1973 had been a Catholic issue—into an evangelical and Republican cause. The Bible’s text says nothing about abortion per se. Even W. A. Criswell, known as the “Baptist Pope,” initially praised Roe. “It was only after a child was born and had life separate from its mother,” he argued, “that it became an actual person.” Until the mid-1980s, Republicans in the electorate favored fewer restrictions on abortion than did Democrats; in Congress, partisan divides between pro-choice and pro-life votes grew threefold in the two decades after Roe.
...
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/brief-history-of-the-christian-right

Via Fred Clark at Slacktivist, who has written much on the hypocrisy of the Christian right (he's a progressive Christian). He's well worth reading on the subject:

Reagan was overwhelmingly popular with the white evangelical voting bloc that today is preoccupied with the “social issues” that they promote as the proper concern of “values voters” — abortion, homosexuality, abortion, birth control, abortion, prayer in schools, and religious liberty (i.e., the liberty to define one’s religion as opposition to abortion and homosexuality). But culture-war concerns were far down the list of reasons why those white evangelical voters supported Reagan in 1980. In 1980, “values voters” were still mainly Cold Warriors — far more concerned with the Russians than with the gays or the baby-killers.

Abortion and homosexuality came later. They were products of Reaganism, not the other way around.
...
On July 31st, just days before Reagan went to Neshoba County, the New York Times reported that the Ku Klux Klan had endorsed Reagan. In its newspaper, the Klan said that the Republican platform “reads as if it were written by a Klansman.” Reagan rejected the endorsement, but only after a Carter cabinet official brought it up in a campaign speech. The dubious connection did not stop Reagan from using segregationist language in Neshoba County.
...
And that same Southern Strategy also created the space for the religious right — the large, now uniformly partisan white evangelical voting bloc. Those white evangelical voters today — not just in the South, but throughout the country — are overwhelmingly Republican. Ask them why and they’ll tell you, honestly and accurately, that it’s mainly because of the current roster of culture-war issues — abortion, homosexuality, abortion, etc.

Read more at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2015/08/27/the-culture-war-has-always-been-about-race/#LhriG84Jcr5PBroB.99

Vogon_Glory

(9,117 posts)
20. The Christian Right Is Highly Talented In The Art Of Self-Deception
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 06:45 AM
Oct 2017

The Christian Right is highly talented in the art of self-deception, rivaling and perhaps surpassing all those deluded "fellow travelers" who generations ago apologized for Stalin's tyranny.

In the here-and-now, we progressives, both believers and secular alike, wonder and are appalled.

Bible quote for dealing with the RR mindset: see Matthew Chapter 23, verse 24.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
22. Compare evangelical megachurch preachers to Trump...
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 06:58 AM
Oct 2017

Not all that different, really. And for the differences, mostly of style, what else could they expect of someone from Sodom and Gomorrah on the Hudson?

Vinca

(50,267 posts)
25. I've been wondering if they've somehow convinced themselves he's the second coming.
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 07:30 AM
Oct 2017

The lot of them are batshit crazy, so they see the standard blond Jesus hair and outstretched arms and go weak in the knees. What else could it be? If there was an anti-Bible bible, Trump would be the star of it given he's a pussy-grabbing, money worshipper who is actively letting the people of Puerto Rico die and doesn't care if any American can afford to see a doctor. And that's just the first paragraph of the book.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
31. Of course they see who he is....
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 07:49 AM
Oct 2017

But they don't REALLY believe the Bible. It's a combination social club, hate society to them.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
32. By embracing Comrade Casino*, they are the "Anti-Christian right"
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 07:51 AM
Oct 2017

They have in many cases totally perverted the merciful teachings of Christ, especially around the ideals of truth and compassion and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

* republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief

dlk

(11,552 posts)
33. In Many Ways, The Christian Right is Just Another White, Male Supremacy Organization
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 07:52 AM
Oct 2017

That's why Trump is their guy.

Vogon_Glory

(9,117 posts)
34. Matthew Chapter 23, verse 24 Check it out
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 08:13 AM
Oct 2017

And use the next time some Right-wing Fundy tries to play "Holier-than-thou" games on you and your beliefs.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
40. Their over riding motivation is hatred of "Liberal"
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 11:19 AM
Oct 2017

It's the only thing they all have in common and it's also a tenet of fascism for that very reason.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
43. They worship a god who ...
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 06:43 PM
Oct 2017

1) Made human beings (thereby defining the limits of what we can do)

2) Set standards for those humans that he knew they couldn't meet (he knows everything, remember?)

3) Decided on the basis of #1 & #2 that it was all our fault despite the fact that it was all his doing

4) Concluded that torturing US forever was the appropriate response!

5) Eventually gave us a conditional way out by arranging to get himself tortured and killed (temporarily)

6) Still won't help anyone who does not believe the above despite the complete lack of evidence.

If you'll call THAT "God" then Trump probably seems just fine.

Kablooie

(18,626 posts)
44. They've been trained since birth to see and believe only what they are told to.
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:24 PM
Oct 2017

If they are told he is making America great again, to them that's what he's doing.

Don't expect any impartial consideration of facts from those people.

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