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Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 02:01 PM Oct 2017

The attempted terror attack right here in the US we never heard about.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/airport-bomb-north-carolina-suspect-war-us-soil-michael-christopher-estes-asheville-regional-airport-a7996306.html

Man suspected of planting airport bomb 'wanted to start a war on US soil

Michael Christopher Estes was arrested after an unexploded device was found at Asheville Regional Airport on Friday morning. The FBI’s criminal complaint states that Mr Estes admitted planting the bomb, which tests revealed contained Ammonium Nitrate, an explosive often used in terrorist attacks. Sterno, a form of jellied alcohol, was used as the fuel source. Mr Estes used a rigged an alarm clock, set for 6am, to strike matches that would have set it alight, the complaint states.


Other links:

https://www.salon.com/2017/10/11/a-thwarted-airport-bombing-receives-little-national-press-and-some-activists-cry-foul/

https://theintercept.com/2017/10/11/terrorist-donald-trump-airport-bomber-estes-asheville/

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2017/10/10/us/ap-us-north-carolina-airport-explosive-the-latest.html

And we haven't heard a word about this attempted terrorist attack. The suspect (who has confessed to setting the device) says he 'wanted to start a war'. But he is a right-wing white guy. White guys, by definition, aren't terrorists. The are 'lone wolves' or 'white nationalists' or 'extremists' but never terrorists. In order to be considered a terrorists you have to be Muslim. Don't you suppose this would have been all over the news of it had been a non-white? But we can't have white guys being called terrorists, now can we?

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The attempted terror attack right here in the US we never heard about. (Original Post) Stonepounder Oct 2017 OP
isn't ammonium nitrate one of the ingredients in mcveigh's ied? niyad Oct 2017 #1
ANFO - ammonium nitrate / fuel oil - is by no means a "signature" explosive jberryhill Oct 2017 #3
There are no white terrorists... HopeAgain Oct 2017 #2
"we never heard about" left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #4
I did too. cwydro Oct 2017 #19
I think that's code for "not obsessed over by Fox News talking heads, so quickly forgotten" Bucky Oct 2017 #20
I posted a link about it malaise Oct 2017 #5
i missed your post barbtries Oct 2017 #7
Here it is malaise Oct 2017 #8
he's not even charged with terrorism barbtries Oct 2017 #6
He's not being charged with terrorism? red dog 1 Oct 2017 #9
Isn't the definition of terrorism LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #14
No sarisataka Oct 2017 #15
+ 1 red dog 1 Oct 2017 #17
Depends which dictionary you look at LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #18
I'll be sending this link straight to Facebook! Can't wait to see the responses. 7962 Oct 2017 #10
You forgot, "He just snapped." NBachers Oct 2017 #11
Some DUer will come by and say he didn't have a political agenda IronLionZion Oct 2017 #12
Starting a war sarisataka Oct 2017 #16
Seems Charlie Manson had similar motives. NBachers Oct 2017 #24
How big was it? The guy sounds like a dumbass. nt JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #13
OMG! peggysue2 Oct 2017 #21
Disturbed or terrorist? QED Oct 2017 #22
Media Silence SeattlePop Oct 2017 #23

niyad

(113,275 posts)
1. isn't ammonium nitrate one of the ingredients in mcveigh's ied?
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 02:02 PM
Oct 2017

oh, I keep forgetting. homegrown white guy!

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
3. ANFO - ammonium nitrate / fuel oil - is by no means a "signature" explosive
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 02:06 PM
Oct 2017

It is the simplest improvised explosive to make and deal with, and its components are readily available.

While there is some monitoring of "unusual" purchases of ammonium nitrate, and some recordkeeping requirements, there's no problem diverting a lot of it from its ordinary agricultural use as a fertilizer.

Bucky

(53,998 posts)
20. I think that's code for "not obsessed over by Fox News talking heads, so quickly forgotten"
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 04:36 PM
Oct 2017

you can see why a short hand was needed

barbtries

(28,788 posts)
6. he's not even charged with terrorism
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 02:42 PM
Oct 2017

i guess we'd have to start hating all white people.

whistling past the graveyard. i hate republicans and i hate donald trump

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
14. Isn't the definition of terrorism
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 03:58 PM
Oct 2017

"to cause terror"?

Which would have happened if that device had gotten off.

Oh yeah, he was white so he was just expressing himself.

sarisataka

(18,621 posts)
15. No
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 04:04 PM
Oct 2017

This is the definition-

the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.


It seems to me this meets the definition as he stated he wants to start a war on US soil

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
18. Depends which dictionary you look at
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 04:17 PM
Oct 2017
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorism

:the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

Anyways, I'm not meaning to argue against but to agree. If that was not clear.
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
10. I'll be sending this link straight to Facebook! Can't wait to see the responses.
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 03:45 PM
Oct 2017

I imagine it will be crickets

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
12. Some DUer will come by and say he didn't have a political agenda
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 03:53 PM
Oct 2017

or some excuse for why we must remain in perpetual denial about white terrorism.

Some gun nut will sarcastically say ban farming and Wal-Mart.

But not a peep from our mainstream media or politicians about this. Wouldn't want to scare people into believe the monsters who want to kill us might look like anyone and live anywhere. That would be terrifying.

Maybe we can have Kellyanne Conway tell us about some imaginary massacres.

sarisataka

(18,621 posts)
16. Starting a war
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 04:07 PM
Oct 2017

on US soil is his stated motive. That is political.

Terrorism.

Therefore he is a terrorist.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
21. OMG!
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 04:54 PM
Oct 2017

My eldest son picked up a group of hikers from the Asheville Airport Thursday night, transported the team to a local hotel and hit the trail on Friday morning. Small world. Way too small.

This Estes character 'wanted to start a war on US soil?' Which begs the question: why choose a small airport like Asheville? Probably thought it would be easier to escape notice and/or police surveillance.

Good one on the Asheville Airport authorities who caught this sucker on camera and averted what could have easily been a bloody catastrophe.

As for why the silence? Think that's been adequately answered above: Estes didn't fit the stereotype for blaring, condemning headlines. Wrong color, wrong religion. Unless there's something else afoot--the FBI keeping a close eye on these White Nationalists, wanting to make sure that Estes was a lone wolf.

Scary.

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