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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKelly/Mattis can't or won't prevent Trump from using nukes.
I think the narrative that Trump can be stopped needs to be examined further.
I would like it to be true, but I can't see them physically restraining the guy. If Trump got a wild hair up his ass and decided to attack, it would take physical restraint to stop him unless his first strike capabilities are limited beforehand.
samnsara
(17,570 posts)...toss shit at him or threaten that its an impeachable offense...Surely they wouldn't just sit there and allow it.
LuckyCharms
(17,286 posts)illegal. I honestly do not think that much will be questioned when the rubber meets the road.
MontanaMama
(23,238 posts)(on Stephanie Miller 10/11) that the act of tackling Dotard would have "terminal results". He did not elaborate. However, if it means what is sounds like it means...then tackling the pResident could be a death sentence. Wonder if Kelly/Mattis have that level of commitment?
LuckyCharms
(17,286 posts)I think they will fall back on their training and follow orders.
Girard442
(6,059 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,286 posts)woodsprite
(11,853 posts)I hadn't considered court martial w/ execution. Didn't figure they'd get that far.
Girard442
(6,059 posts)Whatever happens, other people have to take some fairly elaborate actions. Ultimately, it will boil down to the POTUS saying to a military officer, in effect, "launch the missiles."
And then, either they do or they don't.
FSogol
(45,355 posts)the armed forces? Of course it is easy to ignore a tweet in lieu of actual orders thru a chain of command.
LuckyCharms
(17,286 posts)and that key is probably monitored by 2 or more people, and they each have pistols.
Once Trump sets off the chain of events required, it's most likely a done deal.
sarisataka
(18,197 posts)Called the biscuit which has codes printed on it. Which code is used tells NORAD which nuclear plan to execute
Girard442
(6,059 posts)"Massive attack on North Korea which has a high probability of eliminating all nuclear capability."
sarisataka
(18,197 posts)With the specifics but it is reasonable to expect such a code exists
MontanaMama
(23,238 posts)followed by entering the codes from the biscuit?
Girard442
(6,059 posts)I could be wrong.
MontanaMama
(23,238 posts)like a finger print.
PJMcK
(21,916 posts)Well done, Girard442! The original series was one of my favorite TV programs as a kid. Along with "The Man From Uncle" and "The Saint," these shows filled my desire for 007-type programs. Of course, "Get Smart" was a must-see, too!
An interesting bit of trivia is that Peter Graves joined the series as the IM Leader James Phelps at the beginning of the second season. In the first season, Steven Hill was Dan Briggs, the IM Leader. He left the show because of scheduling conflicts related to his Orthodox Jewish faith, (he would have had to film on Friday nights and Saturday mornings). Years later, he would play the role of District Attorney Adam Schiff on the original TV show, "Law And Order."
Isn't it curious that there's a Congressman named Adam Schiff who is investigating the nefarious deeds of the president? Art imitates Life imitates Art...
LuckyCharms
(17,286 posts)would be the final step after the codes are rolled down to the people manning the detonator.
MontanaMama
(23,238 posts)manning the detonator are going to stand down. That'd be a death sentence for sure.
LuckyCharms
(17,286 posts)the one who does not have the stomach for it will be killed.
sarisataka
(18,197 posts)It is a two key launch protocol
It is known that the system is often tested, I believe to the point of turning keys. The missile officers have no idea if it is real or a drill. They enter the given codes and turn the keys. At that point they learn if we are at war.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)First, they are politically aligned with Trump or they would not be there -- they want to take away healthcare and entitlements, force the right wing christian agenda down our throats and end civil rights. That is the job they signed up for.
Second, we need to stop this American general worshiping. These guys were just ego-maniacal, glorified bureaucrats.
Third, I have yet to see one word from either Mattis or Kelly that assures me that they would do the right thing in a crucial situation. If they were so smart, they would have seen Trump was an unpredictable nut long, long ago.
LuckyCharms
(17,286 posts)these two generals are staying in their positions for love of country and to keep control of Trump. I don't believe that.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Loyalty. Does Trump have it or not?
bpj62
(997 posts)The bag which got its name during the Kennedy Administration contains a series of nuclear scenarios that the President can choose from. When the President reads the codes on the biscuit to the officer on the opposite end of the secure line and the code is authenticated the President can then decide which nuclear option he chooses to go with,. It could be land based ICBM, it could be bombers in the air force or from carriers, or submarines. Once the plan is entered into the computer the plan is authenticated via codewords by the Navy or Airforce and once authenticated the target is confirmed and the delivery platform locks the location in via satellite and the weapons are released for use. The President can stand down the launch prior to launch but once the weapon is in the air I am not certain if they can be self destructed. My apologies for the length but it really happens in minutes.
As for Mattis and Kelly restraining the President well that is a fantasy as both men would either be restrained or shot by the Secret Service whose sole mission is to ensure that the President is able to safely discharge his duties. Pretty bleak scenario.
MontanaMama
(23,238 posts)his substantial ass with both hands...no way can he can comprehend a series of scenarios and make an informed decision. He can't even spell Little correctly. We are in deep shit.
bpj62
(997 posts)Unfortunately the football is carried by a military officer whose sole job is to help the President with those very issues that you brought up. Unless He has a complete meltdown and curls up in the fetal position we are screwed.