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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump and his entire crew are intentionally wrecking the government
Theyre all trying to tear it down because they intend to rule over and sell off the ruins and line their own pockets with what they can get.
Welcome to the Age of the Trump Fire Sale.
Establishment GOPrs wont stop him either, even after its too late. Theyre literally sitting on their hands and allowing him to do this because theyre weak and cowardly. Ryan and McConnell both know that Trump cant salvage their agenda, but theyre refusing to act anyway.
The only people who can stop this debacle are the voters. If they can give the Democrats congressional control in the next midterms and the White House in the next general, only then will we be able to save all of our collective asses.
Until then, hold on to your butts, because its going to be an express elevator ride to hell for us all.
FDT.
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)and far too many Repub supporters know it and support it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)And most people here on DU also.
What is not to understand about: "The only legitimate purpose of government is protection of person and property?"
For those who don't recognize them, those are rare public words of the single most powerful person in America these days, excepting foreign affairs, and he's not that buffoon in the White House who's largely being jerked around by this guy and others in his seditious alliance -- the hundreds of ultraconservative, anti-tax, antiregulation metamillionaires allied with him to take control of our country and dismantle most of our institutions.
They have, notably, also allied with the extremist Christian reconstructionist movement, and there is a great deal of overlap in ideologies, as exemplified by the VP they pushed on Trump -- Pence. Almost all of Rump's other appointments were also chosen and maneuvered into position by these conspiracists, including, of course, Gorsuch.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)And by that I mean Dugin, Surkov, Putin et al..
It goes much wider than the USA.. We are just the most critical target into which to inject the deadly poison. Separate us from Europe-- NATO, UN..
It's is happening all over.
One thing they want-- Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Ukraine, Bulgaria?, on and on...
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Putin is destroying the USA and all western democracies with an internet army. Not a shot fired in anger at all.
The fascist strongman Vladimir Putin will rule the damned world soon.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)newspaper, blog, slog, flog,
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)is so easily destroying the most militarily strong democracy on earth.
All it took was a wide open internet and a domestic party willing to sell out it's country and constitution for $$$.
The republicans couldn't wait, they sold out to the highest bidder, Putin.
7962
(11,841 posts)bdamomma
(63,837 posts)and get his a$$ out and they have been trying for years.
Texin
(2,595 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)They're by far not our big problem, and you can't know who to fight and how if you can't identify your enemies.
The 40-year sabotage of our national belief in our nation, the insidious implants of mindless distrust of all elected officials and all policies is a product of that vast right-wing conspiracy Hillary once spoke of. It was characterized by hostile media as merely her paranoia and eagerness to make excuses, but it is very real and committed to moving our nation permanently right, to repealing most taxes and to dismantling almost all government functions. Christian reconstructionists are allied with them, for now, to bring about a permanent transfer power from we the people to ruling classes operating behind a fake Democracy, much as Iran's do.
Russia's small potatoes compared to our own seditionists.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)Cato libertarian philosophy plus fake evangelicalism and a dose of prosperity gospel - a very toxic brew.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Let's toss in authoritarian secular/nonsecular types of government as well since we can be sure many of these are just plain ultraconservatives. The Koch brothers' father, in fact, was a great admirer of the Third Reich's efficiency. Their extremism may only wear a libertarian label.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)to divide and conquer THEM.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)They have their own dysfunctions and problems, and not doing nearly as well as they imagined at this point. We'll never know which faction would have ended up stood against a wall by which. My money'd be on the religious zealots, though.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)Hortensis, I'm not a very smart old man, but I've seen this coming since the Nixon days. As you know, they've been building this colossal machine for many years, poured billions into it, and they've been patient. I knew we were in deep shit when the religious right exposed itself.
Inequality may be our savior, along with some fake Bible-thumping, LOL.
We're going to have to be patient, keep poking the bear, and never give up in order to see it slowly crumble.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)The religious right's alliance with conservative business plutocrats scares me bad also, not least because people don't realize it's happening.
I was a young mother with tiny children during the Nixon scandal. It was ugly, sometimes fascinating, but I seldom did more than scan the headlines in the L.A. Times over breakfast. Aside from the usual worry about the "military-industrial complex," I was mostly clueless about more occult right-wing trends.
I only began to really see it with the end of the cold war. All of a sudden the kind of conservatives who were sure we had to destroy Russia before they got us had that taken away and badly needed a new threat to fear. Instead of a foreign enemy, though, they were helped to find it inside America and turned virulently on the left, the Democrats, the dirty radical liberals. New right wing media went after the Clintons with a hugely funded hateful, virulent dishonesty that was unprecedented. Email brought new vicious lies every week.
My husband belonged to a sportsmans club that had lots of conservatives, and as a group they turned hostile and aggressive when politics were discussed. Like if we tried to discuss the emails they chortled over. Our next-door, close friends of over two decades the same, so that we became estranged. We lost another pair of old friends in a flash when they attacked while we were playing cards. So it was then that I started reading and seriously looking for answers as to what was happening on the right.
Even then I believed enough of them, those who were good people in other aspects of their lives, would finally reach lines they wouldn't cross. I still thought/hoped for that in 2016. No longer.
Well, it's coming to a head now. Of course, I thought it was in 2016. But this time hopefully they feel the pain themselves and enough of them have the sense to back away from it.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)When the tax thing fails he will have some bogus back door scheme to try and do it anyway, like the rest of this shit.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)eShirl
(18,490 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)Their PAC funders are waiting on the big USA garage sale.
They are the Wrecking Crew!
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)lancelyons
(988 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)yeah, last chance for human beings...
IronLionZion
(45,429 posts)after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)coolsandy
(479 posts)long-held superiority of the white male in this nation. They are all foaming at the mouth with the same talking points. Let the fall begin.
Saviolo
(3,280 posts)They're cheering him on. They've been dying for the gov't to fail to prove that big gov't is BAD BAD BAD! for years and years, now. That whole gov't that can be drowned in a bathtub thing, remember? It's practically Paul Ryan's wet dream. They've put all of the most incompetent and ill-suited people into critical roles just to prove that those roles are prone to failure. The corporations want less gov't so that there will be less regulation so that they can frack and pollute and plunder and loot as much as they like with no oversight. Give them a bunch of optional self-policed guidelines and they'll happily sign off on all of them, then completely ignore them the second there is no one watching.
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,721 posts)The results will be the same. It's all rigged for the coup we just witnessed.
It's time to take to the streets. It's time to take over this corrupt government.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)0rganism
(23,944 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)bdamomma
(63,837 posts)this:
"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." Greater Nashua, New Hampshire, January 27, 2000
GW Bush
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)"Above all else in America, we don't worship government. We worship God."
He bemoaned the use of the phrase "Happy Holidays" as a secular seasonal greeting and vowed to return "Merry Christmas" to the national discourse.
http://start.att.net/news/read/article/the_associated_press-trump_touts_support_for_conservative_religious_gro-ap
KPN
(15,642 posts)Ultimately though, a minority can only rule by force.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)it is already happening.... threats, intimidation,
I agree it is frightening, but I am ready to stand up and fight back -- we must when it comes down to that.
bdamomma
(63,837 posts)and we can rule by our sheer numbers can't we?
More of us than them???
elmac
(4,642 posts)since RayGun, the goal has been less government, less taxes and a poor country full of cheap labor.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)SnowCritter
(810 posts)MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)LisaM
(27,803 posts)Remember his chilling words about the government? Well, it's been a few decades, but his legacy remains.
I think it's disingenuous to think that Trump is anything but an OUTCOME. The real problem began in the late 70's, when the forces of free market capitalism, in the guise of Thatcher and Reagan, colluded and collided with the forces of right-wing religion and married the two. The Ayatollah was part of it, too.
1979 was a seminal year.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)BBG
(2,535 posts)Its what they do.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)world wide wally
(21,740 posts)I'm from a corporation and I'm here to help
kimbutgar
(21,130 posts)And major protests and civilian deads fighting back this illegal and Immoral cabal.
Twitler is the end of America. I am so outraged by his taking money from ACA today and pulling out of the Iran deal I am not alone in feeling angry and helpless. I want so bad something to happen bad to him. Like a massive stroke or heart attack.
MontanaMama
(23,307 posts)But he'd be revered as some kind of martyr and we'd have noted suck up Pence in his place.
I'm heartbroken that my child will not grow up in the America I did. I may only have 25 or so years left on the planet. He has his whole life ahead of him.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)When they do that it will be the end of any freedom in this country.
Freethinker65
(10,010 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Actively trying to incite Iran.
This is going to end in blood. A lot of blood.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Trump is itching to use those nukes
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)should still be in jail over that obscenity.
GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)Wrecking the US Government, and pillaging its treasury and treasures is their wet dream. He's helping them all live it. Even in the face of potential nuclear Armageddon. May we all live to see the lot of them marched off to spend the rest of their lives in Leavenworth.
cilla4progress
(24,726 posts)I think America is already gone
2. Only q left for me is whether they will
break the spine of the middle class, or fake us out / tamp us down by leaving us a modicum of material comfort and "freedom."
Will we look like modern day Russia?
Postscript: reviewing history it is a story of war after war after war. America has enjoyed relative stability on our shores for a century. I wouldn't bet on it lasting.
Loge23
(3,922 posts)This illegitimate administration was installed with significant help from a hostile foreign power.
The head of this administration is an apparent mentally deficient individual surrounded by sycophants and other intellectually challenged ideologues.
A known anarchist, Steven Bannon, is a major adviser to this administration.
We are threatened militarily, judicially, and economically. The United States Justice Department is led by a known racist and probable white supremacist.
The republicans actually stole a Supreme Court seat to install a unqualified right wing ideologue.
The Secretary of the Treasury is a hedge fund grifter and a leading party in the near financial collapse of the country in the days prior to President Obama's administration.
What else do Americans need to know about these people - these enemies of our country?
We are watching the final destruction of the ideals of American democracy - not that they were ever fully implemented to begin with.
TeamPooka
(24,221 posts)the policy or law.
They know he doesn't understand the long term/ballot box ramifications of their actions like they do, so they want to blame him for everything they do.
That's why they won't remove or take any action against him.
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)They didn't vote...
Loyd
(309 posts)They're nihilists.
Fritz Walter
(4,291 posts)The audience wants him to help fulfill their fantasy of Armageddon so that theyll be Raptured the hell off this planet. And this Mangled-Apricot Hellbeast is only too happy to oblige. The so-called value-voters are so delusional that they cant see him as an (if not the) fabled Antichrist!
Another comment used the metaphor of Kool-Aid. If only the hotel would have served them each a glass of Jim Jones Flavor-Aid, the world would have become a better place in only a matter of minutes.
world wide wally
(21,740 posts)They want police under your bed and in the car with you.
The ONLY time they say government is "too" big is when we help less fortunate people or regulate big business.
lpbk2713
(42,753 posts)KnR