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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis isn't funny anymore. Now he's blown up the Iran deal.
Somebody has to stop him before he destroys us all. Isn't there ONE Republican with any courage at all? He's already most likely killed me by taking away my subsidy. Now this. It's just an unending nightmare.
maxsolomon
(33,310 posts)This is what we knew he'd do.
2018, 2020. Hold on.
Vinca
(50,261 posts)the most tremendous destroyer of the planet in the history of the universe.
gordianot
(15,237 posts)I am also waiting for more Democrats to label him a Fascist.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)One wonders how many hours this can go on, no longer wondering about days!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)his replacement will likely be Pence. And if Pence is taken out, Ryan. A string of right-wing extremists is our future until we vote them out. We're all in this for the long haul, whether we want to be or not.
And, others should remember that anyone who voted against, or refused to vote for, our Democratic candidate for president in 2016 own the destruction they helped bring on our nation, and individuals in trouble.
Turns out our votes, however we use or don't use them, are extremely powerful. The rest of us can be proud that we are the backbone of democracy, that we used our votes responsibly and will again.
Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... to "vote them out", AND to uniformly reject everyone who didn't vote democratic in 2016? Isn't that gonna be the same number?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Many Republican voters are not a lost cause.
My negative comment, generated by the sick disaster of Trump's Iran speech as I typed, was directed mainly at those people right here on DU who have not yet admitted -- to themselves -- what a dreadful mistake they made by opposing the Democratic Party in 2016. They unquestionably helped turn our government over to the the corrupt, extremist mess the Republican Party has degenerated into.
I mention it because some haven't learned a thing and still think the way to take control of our governments away from the right is to resist the other factions who make up the majority mainstream Democrats -- instead of cooperating and fighting together.
But surely not all of them are a lost cause either. Some will be too ideologically hostile to the mainstream to be able to join in one cause, but others never were, just ran with the wrong group. The problem with learning by experience, though, is that not everyone takes the right lessons from it.
Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... I have gotten, and sometimes still do get, resentful over it. One of my partners - who is a republican - hated Trump in 2016. He voted for Kasich as a write in. It didn't matter here in Alabama, but I've jumped his ass a couple of times since November - pointing out that while his pissed away individual vote may not have had a direct impact, his mindset around the country DID matter, and The Orange Menace was spawned. I think republicans who wrote in someone else did so simply to salve their consciences about belonging to a party that allowed trump to be vomited up from the bowels of the right wing ideology circus. I've told him this, and today, after Trump's presser, he asked me if I was going to yell at him again.
I said no - because he's coming around. I'm trying to be more encouraging and less condemning. I have pointed out that Trump is simply following republican policy stripped bare of all the window dressing they normally camouflage it with. Pence - and even Kasich - would equally strive to fuck over the American people, but it would be called the "Luvin' up on the People" Act, and the genital warts you later realize they gave you would somehow be a democrat's fault. Alabama is red, but many of the republicans I know aren't really republicans - they just don't know it. I have about 8 questions I ask them, and afterwards I almost always get to say "I hate to tell you this, but you're a closeted democrat who is too brainwashed to realize it".
He's starting to get it. So are my other conservative friends. I think pushing them away from the Fucking Moron as much as possible is also important. Perhaps not AS important as GOTV, but every little bit helps.
Peace. And VOTE in the Midterms. (The Ferret)
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Ours is a glowing red district, among a handful of the most conservative in the nation. Our congressman is a minister who lists membership in ALEC as a credential and is very far from repentance.
I haven't discussed politics with most people we know since the election mainly because they avoid it themselves. Some haven't wanted to crow in front of me, too much anyway, but a lot of scary things have happened since they got Gorsuch and imagined that was a great victory for them. I do occasionally tossed into conversation, when it allows, some fact or event I know hasn't been reported on Fox, just in case there's someone who won't dismiss it outright and go check it out.
The friends who are safe to talk openly with, those not taken over by a typically almost fanatic (and sometimes not "almost) anti-Democrat bias, are demoralized and worried in a way the others won't admit in front of me, but even they are far from being able to see joining Democrats to vote out these people as an answer. And I've never alarmed even one by suggesting they might be partially liberal inside. This is a rural, deep south portion of the Bible Belt, and conservatism is very deeply inculcated, also the belief that Satan and his demons walk among us. Strong agreement can be found on the need for moderation and some cooperation, though, and that's my happy word from this area.
Peace, and VOTE in the Midterms.
bdamomma
(63,836 posts)Oh Congress money grabbers stop this now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is a very sick man.
chelsea0011
(10,115 posts)is he truly nuts?
catbyte
(34,371 posts)violating "the spirit" of it which is meaningless.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/after-meet-on-iran-nuke-deal-tillerson-says-iran-complying-but-violating-spirit/
DFW
(54,341 posts)The U.S. Interests Section is probably running damage control 25 hours a day!
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)The Dotard is clearly unhinged over something.
spanone
(135,818 posts)catbyte
(34,371 posts)Nothing has damaged my psyche more than that monster. Seriously, I'm 62 & have never been this traumatized by anything.
spanone
(135,818 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,173 posts)I remember people salivating over the prospects he'd win the Republican nomination because they thought it would be nothing more than comedy gold.
I told them back then I didn't want to place Trump anywhere near the position where he could even remotely be President of the United States.
And this, my friends, is why.