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kentuck

(111,054 posts)
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 09:04 AM Oct 2017

"Joe, why do you think they invited you for dinner?"

Joe Manchin (D-WV) says he was invited to dinner last night with Ivanka and Jared Kushner?

Why does he think he was invited? Because they like him so much?

No, because they see him as a useful tool in their quest for their taxcut for themselves. He is being used and he doesn't have the sense to know it.

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"Joe, why do you think they invited you for dinner?" (Original Post) kentuck Oct 2017 OP
k&R... spanone Oct 2017 #1
No one with any sense would associate with this toxic family, unless there is a huge bribe?? Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #2
Manchin is an Opportunist montanacowboy Oct 2017 #3
I save my hate for Republicans...I consider Democrats to be on my side...and Manchin has been great Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #10
If you can't eat their food and drink their booze, then vote against them . . . gratuitous Oct 2017 #4
Chuck and Nancy too! imanamerican63 Oct 2017 #5
If you're sitting in a poker game, Bantamfancier Oct 2017 #6
Go after Dems...once again...he comes from a red state...but thus far he has held strong. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #7
Thanks, Demsrule86! Staph Oct 2017 #8
Exactly...let's try to keep all of our Senators. I don't think Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #9
that's always the only choice, right? Weak democrat or republican? It will always be the only JCanete Oct 2017 #12
You won't ever get West Virginia to turn progressive...but you can get moderates elected...reality Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #13
The issue with that kind of thinking is that it assumes JCanete Oct 2017 #14
We need to keep manchin in 18...desperately...sure start some grass roots Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #20
Because Manchin was the main course? lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #11
For all this complaining about Manchin from the left, he's surprisingly stayed strong SaschaHM Oct 2017 #15
This plan kill Medicaid...Manchin won't vote for it. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #19
They have serious financial and legal issues and need to suck up to all Hortensis Oct 2017 #16
Joe , don't do it. UCmeNdc Oct 2017 #17
He knows it. Iggo Oct 2017 #18

Irish_Dem

(46,579 posts)
2. No one with any sense would associate with this toxic family, unless there is a huge bribe??
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 09:31 AM
Oct 2017

Wonder what they are offering him?

Demsrule86

(68,474 posts)
10. I save my hate for Republicans...I consider Democrats to be on my side...and Manchin has been great
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 03:08 PM
Oct 2017

since Trump.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
4. If you can't eat their food and drink their booze, then vote against them . . .
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 11:24 AM
Oct 2017

You have no business in politics. I'd like to think that's what Manchin is doing: Getting a free meal from the people he's going to vote against. Unfortunately, based on his history, that's probably not the case.

Manchin, McCaskill and Heitkamp's Democratic colleagues in the Senate need to sit down with these three and make sure they know which side of the bread has the butter.

Bantamfancier

(366 posts)
6. If you're sitting in a poker game,
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 11:27 AM
Oct 2017

the first thing you do is figure out who the "mark" is.
If you can't find him, it's you!

Demsrule86

(68,474 posts)
7. Go after Dems...once again...he comes from a red state...but thus far he has held strong.
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 11:30 AM
Oct 2017

Of course I am sure...that a Republican would be so much better.

Staph

(6,251 posts)
8. Thanks, Demsrule86!
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 02:57 PM
Oct 2017

I'm so tired of preaching to the rest of DU. Manchin is doing what he must in order to keep his job. If you would rather have a Republican in that senate seat (the current choices are Congressman Evan Jenkins and Attorney General Patrick Morrissey (whose wife's lobbying firm works for opioid distributor Cardinal Health), go right ahead and yell at Joe Manchin.


Demsrule86

(68,474 posts)
9. Exactly...let's try to keep all of our Senators. I don't think
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 03:07 PM
Oct 2017

these folks realize...the likelihood of getting a Dem in WVA if Manchin goes is ...between never happen and impossible.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
12. that's always the only choice, right? Weak democrat or republican? It will always be the only
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 03:10 PM
Oct 2017

choice if we don't build any actual democratic enthusiasm in these states. How do you get people to start considering a different narrative if you don't even have a ground game promoting it in their state?

Demsrule86

(68,474 posts)
13. You won't ever get West Virginia to turn progressive...but you can get moderates elected...reality
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 03:12 PM
Oct 2017

bites...but losing is worse.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
14. The issue with that kind of thinking is that it assumes
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 03:13 PM
Oct 2017

that good ideas themselves can't be infectious...that they can't win over bad ideas by virtue of them actually being stronger and holding up better. We need the next generation of voters in these states. We can't get them by not inspiring them.

Demsrule86

(68,474 posts)
20. We need to keep manchin in 18...desperately...sure start some grass roots
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 04:23 PM
Oct 2017

stuff...start with local races...but leave the national ones alone.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
15. For all this complaining about Manchin from the left, he's surprisingly stayed strong
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 03:14 PM
Oct 2017

He could become a republican and easily sail to reelection given his name recognition in WV, instead he's stayed a Dem, voted to keep Obamacare in place, and is polling higher than his republican challenger.

Will he and the other red state dems vote for a Trump tax plan, maybe. That depends on how well our counter messaging is.

So I honestly don't see what's wrong with him being cordial to people his constituents actually like if he is holding strong on issues that Dems care about.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. They have serious financial and legal issues and need to suck up to all
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 03:16 PM
Oct 2017

the powerful people they can. Nothing to do with personal "tax cuts."

Btw, Sen. Manchin is a very powerful man with more invitations to dinner than stray cats have fleas. Of course he knows why.



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