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yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 05:15 PM Oct 2017

President Trump admits he's trying to kill Obamacare. That's illegal.

Source: CNBC, by Abbe Gluck


Modern American history has never seen as full-scale an effort to sabotage a valid law as we have with President Trump and the Affordable Care Act — a law whose legality has been upheld twice by the US Supreme Court.

The president has a legal obligation, under Article II of the US Constitution, to "take Care that the laws be faithfully executed." That means he must make sure that our laws are implemented in good faith and that he uses his executive discretion reasonably toward that end.

His agencies likewise have a legal obligation, under the Administrative Procedure Act — the statute that sets the rules for our entire federal regulatory apparatus — not to use their power to engage in arbitrary action.

The intentional, multi-pronged sabotage of the ACA that we have seen over the past nine months — reaching new heights since attempts by Congress to repeal the law failed — violates both Trump's constitutional obligations and quite possibly the obligations of his Department of Health and Human Services.

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President Trump admits he's trying to kill Obamacare. That's illegal. (Original Post) yallerdawg Oct 2017 OP
Abuse of power, anyone? gratuitous Oct 2017 #1
Good luck with that argument. onenote Oct 2017 #2
He's too ignorant to know any better. politicaljunkie41910 Oct 2017 #3
K&R sheshe2 Oct 2017 #4
Really makes a mockery rainin Oct 2017 #5
I've been asking about this for weeks malaise Oct 2017 #6
That's just it... Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #7
He doesn't follow any laws and rules and gets away with it BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #8
Are insurance subsidies part of the law? JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2017 #9
The Supreme Court ruled on the constitutional legality of the ACA. yallerdawg Oct 2017 #10
Republicans themselves are exempt from laws. VOX Oct 2017 #11
tRumpcare is DOA nt elmac Oct 2017 #12
He thinks a President is a King. AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #13
A leader sworn to defend law and order, who publicly admits to subverting law, is a traitor. ancianita Oct 2017 #14
It's not against the law if the pResident does it and if law penalties are not enforced. ffr Oct 2017 #15
Nixon said that, too. yallerdawg Oct 2017 #16
You're on to something there. His net worth has fallen this year by $600 million ffr Oct 2017 #17
I wonder how ethical it is... yallerdawg Oct 2017 #18
Presidential Oath? Kajun Gal Oct 2017 #19
Have to get the House and Senate in 2018. Amimnoch Oct 2017 #20
Trump's buddy Bannon said he would primary every (R) senator except Cruz. yallerdawg Oct 2017 #22
Well alright then... arrest him already! Mr. Evil Oct 2017 #21
Good point. You are right, yaller. PatrickforO Oct 2017 #23
Just asking... syringis Oct 2017 #24

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
1. Abuse of power, anyone?
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 05:16 PM
Oct 2017

That was one of the charges the House was considering against Nixon when Tricky Dick finally rode off into the sunset.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
7. That's just it...
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 05:32 PM
Oct 2017

Trump has been doing blatantly illegal shit on a daily basis since January, so why wouldn't he continue since nobody has made any serious effort to stop him?

BigmanPigman

(51,582 posts)
8. He doesn't follow any laws and rules and gets away with it
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 05:33 PM
Oct 2017

every time. His entire life has been a series of lawsuits. The fucking moron has no ethics and morals and neither does the GOP. They are a match made in Hell. Now America has become a living Hell for the rest of us.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,336 posts)
9. Are insurance subsidies part of the law?
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 05:38 PM
Oct 2017

If the subsidies are part of the law, then he should support them. If they are just something that BHO signed, but didn't go through congress, then DJT can (and did) reverse it with another signature. Nothing illegal here.

Sad, but it seems like it's just one more consequence of an uninspired vote last November.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
10. The Supreme Court ruled on the constitutional legality of the ACA.
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 05:48 PM
Oct 2017

The lower courts are technically looking at the argument already approved by the Supreme Court that the executive branch can make the subsidy payments on behalf of working citizens as a tax benefit, since Congress wouldn't authorize it under Obama.

The insurance companies will simply up their premiums and get the money in a monthly premium payment - as stipulated by law!

Unless Congress actually passes the new proposal which would take it out of presidential discretion.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
11. Republicans themselves are exempt from laws.
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 06:04 PM
Oct 2017

They bend, break and re-write them all the time. But they rarely get apprehended or punished, because secular laws are man-made and not of God, therefore, laws do not apply to the godly. And, yes, God is a right-wing-crank Republican.

But Democrats? They are godless, liberal, Muslim-loving Marxists. Thoroughly expendable, THEY are the problem!

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
13. He thinks a President is a King.
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 06:38 PM
Oct 2017

He'll be truly shocked when that ends up not being the case. I mean that. He will be shocked and confused. That's his feeble grasp of the role he was elected to.

ancianita

(36,014 posts)
14. A leader sworn to defend law and order, who publicly admits to subverting law, is a traitor.
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 06:48 PM
Oct 2017

He's serves up so much obstruction of justice that he should be locked up. For what's left of his vile life.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
15. It's not against the law if the pResident does it and if law penalties are not enforced.
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 06:56 PM
Oct 2017

So Dotard has that going for him.

Much like running a red light. If you're not cited, then there's no penalty.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
16. Nixon said that, too.
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 07:04 PM
Oct 2017

We didn't even GET to impeachment!

Maybe when Trump sees an empty Mar-a-Lago he'll realize this just isn't any fun!

Dumb freakin' luck and appealing to racist, misogynist pigs isn't nearly as wonderful as membership fees and bookings!

ffr

(22,665 posts)
17. You're on to something there. His net worth has fallen this year by $600 million
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 07:06 PM
Oct 2017

I'm not sure he's stripping the U.S. Treasury of that much for all of his golf trips to his properties.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
18. I wonder how ethical it is...
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 07:16 PM
Oct 2017

to take a senator like Graham to your private golf resort weekend after weekend - while Graham and the others are working on a White House travel/vacation/security budget?

Maybe we should ask Senator Menendez?

 

Kajun Gal

(1,907 posts)
19. Presidential Oath?
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 07:57 PM
Oct 2017

He placed his hand on the bible and swore to uphold the laws of the constitution. He swore to protect the citizens. He swore to God.

Is this a Christian? No. Can he NOW be impeached? Yes. WILL he be impeached? Maybe, when his so called tax plan doesn't pass. Maybe THEN the wimpy republicans will go ahead with impeachment proceedings. That's what they are waiting for...the tax hike for the rich.

It's a sad place this country is in now. Extremely sad.

RESIST. With all your might. Resist.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
20. Have to get the House and Senate in 2018.
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 08:09 PM
Oct 2017

This House won't even raise a vote to impeach, much less get the roll call to make it happen.

This Senate won't even censure him, they sure won't execute the proceedings and impeach him.

House is very within reach. Senate is an uphill battle in 2018.

Let's put in a legislation that will make it happen!!!

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
22. Trump's buddy Bannon said he would primary every (R) senator except Cruz.
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 08:18 PM
Oct 2017

Trump said Bannon might be persuaded to back off a little..."Mitch".

Trump NEVER read Dale Carnegie, did he?





PatrickforO

(14,569 posts)
23. Good point. You are right, yaller.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 10:09 AM
Oct 2017

Republicans have been getting away with this, though, since their leadership met the night of Obama's inauguration in 2009 and agreed to go lock-step against EVERYTHING Obama and the Dems put forward.

Republicans have done their best to sabotage ACA any way they possibly could. Now, it's just that now Trump is being downright blatant about it.

He is indeed misusing his power, and has many times since entering the White House forsworn his oath of office. In fact, it was treason that got him to the White House in the first place.

Trump is an orange scorpion in our midst, stinging every which direction, merely because this kind of evil, unformed chaos is his nature.

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