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Eko

(7,231 posts)
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 01:05 AM Oct 2017

I know its hard, but its only going to get much worse fellow DU'ers.

The more Dump is cornered, the more he and his followers will lash out and destroy what they can because that is what they are ultimately about. Congress turns slower than a oil tanker on the high seas, but maybe they will in the end be the end of him. Investigations are all good, but in the end congress will have to take the step to remove him. We may have elections in November in 2018 that will give us a Democratic majority to be able to remove him, maybe, hopefully. I shudder to think of the damage he will do until then. Should we despair? Give up hope? Just give up? You can do whatever you want to. Me, I never let someones actions dictate my emotions, let them negatively affect my actions, change who I am. I turn all of that into resolve, resolve to do everything I can do to make whatever I can better. Because in the end that is all I have.
Resist.

Eko.

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I know its hard, but its only going to get much worse fellow DU'ers. (Original Post) Eko Oct 2017 OP
I agree..unfortunately. BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #1
Resist! MLAA Oct 2017 #2
We'll be rid of that dick eventually. My biggest fear is if he gets to appoint another Supreme Court InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #3
I have that fear also. Eko Oct 2017 #4
I hear ya, but, I think we can avoid this nightmare scenario by nominating a true progressive InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #5
well, unless your "true" progressive Eko Oct 2017 #7
Why so rude?! YOU were the one who said, and I quote... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #8
Did you see anywhere where I said Eko Oct 2017 #9
Well I see you didn't take my suggestion not to embarrass yourself again... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #10
If so Eko Oct 2017 #12
Okay, maybe we're getting somewhere... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #14
The day I care about what you think Eko Oct 2017 #13
Weak...that's right, don't address my point, but keep making the same lame strawman argument InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #17
Here is some more cake, Eko Oct 2017 #11
I'm the clueless one?! Hahaha, now that's rich... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #16
I dispute the notion that there is a 'true' progressive and somehow a certain wing of the Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #19
Okay, I just wish Eko would respond the way you just did... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #23
I agree with everything you said...Manchin is in a red state... I would not expect to elect him in a Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #24
Yes, Manchin is about the best we can expect out of WVa... and yes the "big tent" approach InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #25
Well and truly Eko Oct 2017 #27
LOL!! Yes, you're rude comments and silly "strawman argument" are laughable... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #28
Yes, because everyone Eko Oct 2017 #30
I notice Eko that you don't even ATTEMPT to respond to the substance of my comments... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #31
You know what is interesting, Eko Oct 2017 #35
You know what is interesting Eko? Your complete inability to comprehend your own written comments... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #36
In truth, we don't know what's going to happen. oxbow Oct 2017 #6
Like you, murielm99 Oct 2017 #15
Yes we must resist. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #18
See my sig pic? raven mad Oct 2017 #20
I thought it was a door buzzard not a door raven...now I'm confused snooper2 Oct 2017 #21
It's an eagle with a deformed beak who lived to the ripe age of 30. raven mad Oct 2017 #22
I agree, he is going to get much worse. The more he is cornered, the more he will lash out. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #26
I learned something with the Bush Administration. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #29
Trump has not been all that successful so far. Willie Pep Oct 2017 #32
His daily crazy is distracting and diversions, but it has also eaten up time without seriousness. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #33
The media keeps letting him wriggle out of each scandal. Kablooie Oct 2017 #34

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
3. We'll be rid of that dick eventually. My biggest fear is if he gets to appoint another Supreme Court
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 01:37 AM
Oct 2017

Justice... FOR LIFE!! Just have to hope Ginsburg and Kennedy can hold on til at least 2020 and that we exercise EXTREME caution in picking our next presidential candidate.

Eko

(7,231 posts)
4. I have that fear also.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 01:42 AM
Oct 2017

But my biggest fear, and one that I know will happen is that Dump set a precedence. It wont be long now before we pine for the likes of Bush 1 and 2, and even Regan as our adversaries. We already have. More than likely its going to get worse, at some point Dump will seem tame. Kid Rock or Nugent or someone like them will be president.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
5. I hear ya, but, I think we can avoid this nightmare scenario by nominating a true progressive
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 01:48 AM
Oct 2017

who can lead us out of this mess.

Eko

(7,231 posts)
7. well, unless your "true" progressive
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 01:56 AM
Oct 2017

can somehow time travel I don't think its going to help much for the next 11 months. Besides, you can take your true progressive crap and shove it up your Dump. Some of us have far more to worry about than if we nominate a "true" progressive, like maybe parents with cancer on the ACA. Sorry, not sorry.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
8. Why so rude?! YOU were the one who said, and I quote...
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 02:39 AM
Oct 2017

"More than likely its going to get worse, at some point Dump will seem tame. Kid Rock or Nugent or someone like them will be president," so, obviously, YOU were the one who raised the subject of what future elections will bring.

Do you even understand what you wrote? I was only responding to YOUR comment about the future Rethuglican presidents you named and fear so much and tried to allay that (misplaced) fear by suggesting all we need to do is nominate a true progressive candidate who can easily defeat those wingnuts.

To then throw a fit and ream me about how that's not "going to help much for the next 11 months" and that some people have "far more to worry about... like maybe parents with cancer on the ACA" - certainly, a legitimate concern in its own right - seems a little extreme and downright rude, along with other hostile comments you made. An apology would be nice, but, I certainly don't expect one from someone who is so unaware.

Now if you disagree with my response to YOUR comment about what will happen in future elections, feel free to do so... just try to stay on topic next time and not embarrass yourself again.

That is all.

Eko

(7,231 posts)
9. Did you see anywhere where I said
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 02:51 AM
Oct 2017

anything whatsoever about true progressives? Huh? Why did you feel the need to insert that into a conversation that had nothing to do with that? Butt hurt maybe that your favorite candidate lost the primary? Rude, Hostile? don't pretend that you didn't try to hijack my thread for your own juvenile thoughts and then cry wolf when I bite back. Apologize to you? Give me a freaking break. Unaware? stay on topic? embarrass myself? Just tell me where in the fuck I said anything about a "true" progressive in my original post mister dumb ass, I think its entirely possible you embarrassed the shit out yourself. Check yourself as my buddy would say.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
10. Well I see you didn't take my suggestion not to embarrass yourself again...
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 03:15 AM
Oct 2017

Yes, I know there isn't anywhere you "said anything whatsoever about true progressives." That's your comeback?!?! LOL... sorry, I never saw the rule that one can only respond with the exact wording that appears in the comment they're replying to.

So, instead of calmly responding to my point that a true progressive would defeat any and all comers, including the extremist Rethugs YOU specifically mentioned, you "wet yourself" some more, throwing further insults around, and pretending that I tried to "hijack" your thread. Now THAT'S funny!!... Do you even listen to yourself?!

Insults are the last resort of desperate, insecure people who, in arguing their case, have no leg to stand on... your latest rude comments, which fail to address my simple point in response to your earlier comment, has proven this beyond any doubt.

I see that it was a waste of time trying to engage with you... but, thanks for the laugh anyway!!

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
14. Okay, maybe we're getting somewhere...
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 03:39 AM
Oct 2017

how did I add a qualifier to anything you said?

I would never - certainly not intentionally - twist someone else's words, just to make a point... that is actually a pet peeve of mine, which is precisely why I QUOTED you.

You seem to be the one who is reading WAY too much into what I said and making assumptions about my intentions, like trying to "hijack" your thread. NOTHING could be further from the truth!!

If you were being truly honest with yourself, you would see that. You know Eko, it really is okay to admit you may have overreacted. I do it myself sometimes... I just acknowledge it and move on.

Eko

(7,231 posts)
13. The day I care about what you think
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 03:34 AM
Oct 2017

is the day I need to leave this world. If I never said anything about a "true" progressive what made you think that that was something that should be inserted in a conversation that was not about that at all? You still harbor this dream that a "true progressive" would "defeat any and all comers, including the extremist Rethugs", pollisters across the world will be emailing you shortly since you have all the answers, do you even listen to yourself? Too funny indeed.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
17. Weak...that's right, don't address my point, but keep making the same lame strawman argument
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 04:15 AM
Oct 2017

over and over and over again!!

BTW, why do you keep up with that silly argument if you don't care what I think?! Again, you obviously have no clue what you are saying and it only gets yourself tied up in knots.

Maybe you should quit while your ahead and stop embarrassing yourself? (Just a suggestion.)

Eko

(7,231 posts)
11. Here is some more cake,
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 03:18 AM
Oct 2017

my fear is "misplaced", and that a "true progressive" can "easily defeat those wingnuts". That in itself tells me who you are. You are clueless. Absolutely and irrecoverably clueless. You have no chance of seeing what is going on. Future elections will destroy you not because you are a bad person, you are a good person. You have no idea of what is coming. What is here already. War on multiple fronts is considered daily, gays and lbgt are loosing rights, people are in risk of loosing their healthcare, taxes are going to rise, deficit is going to rise, medicine costs are going to rise, American citizens are going to die, health care costs are going to rise, civil rights are going to be scaled back, minorities are going to die. The economy is going to fall. And fall. And you are worried about a "true" progressive. Give me a break. And the next president might well be Kid Rock. But we need a "true" progressive. Shut up.
Please.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
16. I'm the clueless one?! Hahaha, now that's rich...
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 04:08 AM
Oct 2017

All these things you say about the PRESENT state of affairs, I COMPLETELY agree with... the funny part is your silly "strawman argument"... that just because I responded the way I did to your comment about FUTURE elections, that somehow becomes all I'm worried about... and then come the desperate insults again that I'm not just "clueless," oh no... I'm "irrevocoverably clueless."

LOL, ohh the irony!! Unlike YOU, I can walk and chew gum at the same time and concern myself with both the present AND the future. I only addressed future elections, since YOU were the one who brought the subject up - in the comment I WAS RESPONDING TO!! - to which I replied, nominating a true progressive will defeat all comers and you are worried for NOTHING. Kid Rock as President... yeahhh riiiight.

Anyway, the fact that you can't see this is amazing. By your logic, talking on one subject - the one you raised - is to the exclusion of all other subjects and, somehow, shows a lack of concern for them. That's some logic you got there... talk about being clueless!!!

Thanks for giving me another good laugh though!!

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
19. I dispute the notion that there is a 'true' progressive and somehow a certain wing of the
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 06:49 AM
Oct 2017

Democratic Party is the only 'truly' progressive branch. We are a big tent and progressives are not all the same. We are all true progressive with a range of views. Winning is the only option. And no candidate can win easily at this moment despite their purported 'purity'.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
23. Okay, I just wish Eko would respond the way you just did...
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 12:52 PM
Oct 2017

that's a perfectly reasonable position to hold... let me also respond respectfully.

Obviously, there is a spectrum of views in the Democratic Party... some more liberal, progressive, use whatever term you want, just so we're talkin about the same thing.

I will also concede - see that Eko... it's not that hard - you're RIGHT to a certain degree... Democrats are true, real, authentic, etc progressives... but, I would say, that's true only up to at a certain point... then you start to leave the "progressive" area of the spectrum and meander into "non-progressive" territory, where one can no longer be considered a true progressive... that is for DEFINITIONAL purposes. AND, obviously, there's nothing wrong with Democrats who are not progressives in the conventional sense.

I use the term "true progressive" PRECISELY to distinguish from those YOU might recognize as "progressive" but I don't ... which is OKAY by the way. (I won't insult you the way others have rudely treated me.) I simply do not accept your argument that "We are all true progressives with a range of views." There's a number of Democrats I most certainly would NOT put into that category, most notably, Sen. Joe Manchin, among others... which, again is not a "deadly sin," given his jurisdiction.

Okay, so with that definitional understanding of a true progressive candidate, all I was saying is that by nominating one - indeed, the more progressive the better in my view - we are pretty much guaranteed to defeat an extremist like Kid Rock for President.

Obviously, you are free to disagree, but, I prefer to focus on what unites us... we most certainly need to be the "big tent" party and try to unify around a set of common core values and principles. As you correctly note, "winning is the only option"... one need only look at the dickhead currently occupying the Oval Office to see that is true!!

Finally, my SINCERE apologies to Eko... I did not intend to get into a long discussion on this topic - a supposed "highjack" of his thread - so please forgive me for this long explanation why I think Kid Rock, and his ilk, are not a threat.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
24. I agree with everything you said...Manchin is in a red state... I would not expect to elect him in a
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 07:11 PM
Oct 2017

blue state...that being said. He has done a good job thus far. We are a big tent and need to work together and put some wins on the board. We should not be trying to save what Roosevelt got done...and the courts...Jesus I would probably vote for Satan to keep the rightwing asshats from taking them over ....

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
25. Yes, Manchin is about the best we can expect out of WVa... and yes the "big tent" approach
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 08:21 PM
Oct 2017

is the ONLY way we're goin to get those wins.

Just curious, did you mean to say we should NOT be trying to save what Roosevelt got done...INCLUDING the courts? What specifically are you saying we should or should not be doing?

btw, had to laugh at your remark about Satan... I've said the exact same thing!! Better the devil you know, and all that. haha

Eko

(7,231 posts)
27. Well and truly
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 11:41 PM
Oct 2017

all I can do is shake my head at you. You say "true progressive", what is the opposite? Naturally that would be "false progressive". This is not the "True progressive underground", it is not even the "progressive underground". Its for Democrats!!! Its right there in the title, take a look. So when you come on my thread and denigrate tons of other Democrats because the are not "true progressives" which, when you say that makes everyone else a "fake progressive" or a Democrat not good enough just because they don't agree with you, I get to tell you to shove off. In whatever language I want to. Maybe if you want the "big tent" you should take a look at the language you use, you dont see me saying we need a "true democrat" knowing that when I say that it means that the people some here and maybe even you support are in that group of "false democrat". Its funny how you talk of unity, then use words that divide us. Real funny.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
28. LOL!! Yes, you're rude comments and silly "strawman argument" are laughable...
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 01:58 AM
Oct 2017

I never denigrated anyone... you're saying so doesn't make it so.

I simply disagree with you that ALL Democrats are, BY DEFINITION, "progressives." There's clearly a spectrum of views in the Democratic Party, among which include those I would not describe as "progressive." That is NOT to say these views shouldn't be respected, contrary to your phony "strawman" argument. (And, yes, I DO believe we need to be the "big tent" party if we're going to defeat the evil on the other side.)

So, if you believe the silly notion, for instance, that Sen. Manchin of KY or pro-life Democrats - I could cite other examples - are "progressives," more power to you Eko... I find that kind of amusing, and STRONGLY disagree with you, but, I would never insult you by telling you to "shove off," as you have rudely told me. I simply disagree that "Democrat" equates with "progressive."

The fact that you consider ALL Democrats to be progressives, ironically, REINFORCES the need to distinguish between Democrats I consider to be "progressives" - true, real, actual progressives... pick whatever descriptor that makes you feel comfortable - from the Sen. Manchin's, pro-lifers in the Party, whom you ALSO consider to be "progressives."

My refusal to consider that latter category of Democrats to be "true progressives" does NOT denigrate them in any way, shape, or form... and contary to your manufactured argument, I certainly was not implying that they're "false progressives." No, in fact, I took it one step FURTHER, by stating that they're not progressives at all, period!

Again, that's NOT meant as an insult and, as I've said, it doesn't make them "bad people"- that's the "fake spin" YOU put on my comments - it just makes them NON-progressives, who, in my view, would be less likely to defeat an extremist Rethug like Kid Rock, whom you unnecessarily obsessed over.

That was my point you conveniently ignore, resorting instead to insults and phony arguments that don't represent what I said at all. If you feel like my comments were intended to divide people, that's a laughable, gross misinterpretation of what I said, and is on YOU.

Yes, I recognize this message board is named the "Democratic Underground" (doh!), which is appropriate since ALL progressives and non-progressives are typically registered as Democrats - though some, obviously, are third-party members or non-affiliated with any party - but, NOT all Democrats are "progressives."

I'm sorry if you don't agree with that distinction, and you're certainly free to do so in a calm, respectful manner. So, if you want to have an intellectually honest discussion on this point, I'd be happy to engage with you... otherwise, save me your rude insults and I'll gladly stay off "your thread" and allow you to be arbiter of which views are permitted to be expressed.

Eko

(7,231 posts)
30. Yes, because everyone
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 02:28 AM
Oct 2017

knows the opposite of "true" is "non". Give me a break. Im sure when you say it you are thinking so highly of all these people who are not "true progressives" right? Your argument is so transparent, I mean if we said "true human" or "true American" or, gasp "True white person" then we could all say that just because you are not a "true white person" it doesn't mean you are bad,,,,,,, no of course not. The fact that you don't understand anything about what you are saying doesn't surprise me, because you consider yourself a "true progressive". Too freaking funny. Tea party meet true progressive. Say hi for me buddy.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
31. I notice Eko that you don't even ATTEMPT to respond to the substance of my comments...
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 03:21 AM
Oct 2017

and, instead, resort to the same tired "strawman" argument that I already refuted, along with more insults thrown in, demonstrating only the weakness of your position.

You're merely arguing with YOURSELF by either PURPOSEFULLY misconstruing what I am saying (sad) or you fail to grasp the English language (less damning) - I mean, do you actually take even the slightest bit of time to read and comprehend what you write? - but, in either case, you have only succeeded in embarrassing yourself.

I tried to be as precise as I could in making my points, in an effort to engage you in a serious discussion. It's obvious that you don't want to have one... and that's fine. But, in case you want take another stab at it, this time, without getting emotional, and simply responding to what I actually said, point by point - minus the pretty insults and distortions - I stand ready to listen, respectfully (unlike you), even if I disagree.

I know you won't, however, because that would require a certain degree of intellectual honesty... a quality you obviously lack. Or, just go ahead and amuse yourself - and me too, as I do get a chuckle out of it! - by telling me once again how I denigrated Democrats by distinguishing between progressives and non-progressives and ignoring the fact that YOUR insistance that ALL Democrats should be labeled "progressive" - including the obvious examples I gave you of those who are not... like Sen. Manchin and pro-life Democrats - ironically, is what requires the additional modifier "true."

If you've come to your senses and changed your mind Eko, and now sensibly recognize that NOT all Democrats are "progressives," that's great, say so... then we can drop the modifier and we'll all be happy! Then you can explain why I'm wrong in thinking a progressive Democrat, say like Elizabeth Warren, would have a MUCH easier time defeating the likes of Kid Rock than would a non-progressive Democrat, say like Joe Manchin.

On the other hand, if you are STILL under the misconception that all Democrats ARE progressives, then, instead, please explain why I'm wrong in believing that a candidate whom I would then have to refer to as a true progressive Democrat, say like Elizabeth Warren, would have a MUCH easier time defeating the likes of Kid Rock, as distinguished from Joe Manchin, whom you mistakenly refer to as a progressive.

In either case, none of these "labels" are intended to denigrate any candidate or member of our party - another point you seem to miss - but only to distinguish between different political leanings within the party... which differences, as I've said, are to be respected (please don't twist that again too... thanks!).

Eko

(7,231 posts)
35. You know what is interesting,
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 02:00 AM
Oct 2017

Ya know what a straw man is right? I mean you have accused me of it repeatedly so I assume you do. I mean I never said that I think that " ALL Democrats should be labeled "progressive" - including the obvious examples I gave you of those who are not... like Sen. Manchin and pro-life Democrats". No where. Not a single place. Ever. Now did I? Whats that called when you give present a position that someone have never taken? You guessed it, STRAW MAN.
Then, then, ha ha, lets discuss this.
"along with more insults thrown in, demonstrating only the weakness of your position. "
Sounds like you believe insults demonstrate a persons weakness of their position. I wonder who said this?
"I know you won't, however, because that would require a certain degree of intellectual honesty... a quality you obviously lack. "
Hmmmnnn, that's quite the insult there buddy.
Lets just end this right here, tell me exactly how you feel about this statement.
"If you are a true progressive then you aren't a true Democrat, because if you are a true Democrat then you dont have your head so far up your ass that you think what you and what your favorite "true progressive" say is the only way to be and the only way to save our great country when in reality, there are multiple ways", and just to add this, President Obama wasn't a true progressive, and he kicked ass.
Ive told you where you can stick your "true progressive", I don't need repeat it.

And BTW, if you haven't figured it out yet, I'm not going to let you control this argument. Sucks don't it.



InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
36. You know what is interesting Eko? Your complete inability to comprehend your own written comments...
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 04:25 AM
Oct 2017

Last edited Fri Oct 20, 2017, 05:20 AM - Edit history (2)

but that's what happens when you let your emotions get the best of you... not to mention foolish pride.

It's absolutely clear from your prior comments that you most certainly DID consider ALL Democrats to be "progressives," thus, proving my point EXACTLY.

Let's read, shall we? First, you start with the following false accusation, by stating, and I quote: "you come on my thread and denigrate tons of other Democrats because they are not 'true progressives'." ( A side note: I still can't stop laughing at that, because my argument actually does the exact OPPOSITE... indeed, I specifically recognized the importance of the entire spectrum of Democrats to winning the hypothetical election against Kid Rock you fretted about, which, obviously, includes NON-progressives... and then I cited you examples of whom I was talking about. )

Okay, now instead of just recognizing that important distinction, you continue with your patently false accusation that I denigrated those "tons of other Democrats," in the same sentence, by erroneously concluding: "which, when you say that makes EVERYONE ELSE a "fake progressive." ( Emphasis mine. )

No, actually, I DIDN'T denigrate anyone by making "everyone else a 'fake progressive' "... quite the opposite is true. That's because I don't consider EVERYONE ELSE - all those other Democrats whom I cited as examples - to be progressives in the first place!! (Again that's NOT a denigration of those fine Democrats, as YOU have intimated. )

Of course, you're free to "stick to your guns" if you want and consider all those "tons of other Democrats" to also be real progressives, as opposed to fake ones, so as to avoid some imagined slight... that doesn't bother me in the least. Just don't criticize me for then putting forth the distinction I made, which, ironically, is precisely necessitated by your false equivalency argument.

I know you must get the point, so please stop playing dumb Eko... just admit your mistake, it's really okay. Or, perhaps, reading comprehension - even your OWN writing - is not your strong suit and that point escapes you.

In either case, if you want to backtrack from your previous misguided view that all Democrats are progressives, as I have demonstrated, you are certainly free to do so - indeed, I would COMMEND you for doing that - but, yes, at least have the intellectual honesty to admit your mistake before glossing over it, so as to save yourself any further embarrassment.

And, finally, you might wanna cut back on the unnecessary hostility towards me for merely pointing out your flawed argument - like "head up your ass," "stick it," "dumb ass," "shut up," to name a few... didn't your mom teach you manners?! - which makes you look even more foolish ( As hard as it is to believe that's possible!! )

That is all... you can now take back CONTROL of YOUR thread, as you would put it ( that was maybe the funniest thing you said... thanks for the good laugh!!)

P.S. I never said, or even INTIMATED, that there's"only ONE way to save our great country" - yet another doozy of a "strawman" argument you make - but rather, merely said I believe a progressive candidate - I cited Elizabeth Warren, as but ONE example - would stand a much better CHANCE of defeating your feared candidate, Kid Rock, than a NON-progressive, say, like Joe Manchin. To be honest, I think even Manchin - if, by some miracle, he ran and actually got the nomination - would have a DECENT chance of "crushing" Rock's azz into fine dust. So you can stop fretting over him... I think the country is safe if that extremist were to ever become the Rethuglican nominee. Of course, I thought the same thing about the "tRumpster fire" that's currently sitting in the Oval Office, if that prick got nominated. So, on second thought, forget Joe Manchin... better to stick with a real progressive.

oxbow

(2,034 posts)
6. In truth, we don't know what's going to happen.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 01:51 AM
Oct 2017

...which is another reason to not let another's actions dictate your reality. I as well will keep working towards a world where I can start a family and raise children who have the chance to live a good life.

murielm99

(30,712 posts)
15. Like you,
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 03:53 AM
Oct 2017

I am working hard to change things in 2018. If it is not enough, I will keep working anyway. We may not get everything we want in such a short time.

I will continue to resist.

Thanks for holding your own against this true progressive crap. Let's just elect some Democrats.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
18. Yes we must resist.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 06:45 AM
Oct 2017

"We shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be; we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender" (Churchill). We will stop fascist Trump and his GOP goons...we will destroy them in 18 and 20. We can do this.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
20. See my sig pic?
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 12:42 PM
Oct 2017

I don't quit. It's chilly here, about 20 above, and snow. I'm out hanging flyers on doors and signing up voters. I don't tell anyone how to vote, just to vote.

 

Mediumsizedhand

(531 posts)
29. I learned something with the Bush Administration.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 02:06 AM
Oct 2017

What I thought was the destruction of the nation, a new President could make a difference. Trump is doing a lot of damage, but I learned things can be fixed, improved, resolved with a new President.

Willie Pep

(841 posts)
32. Trump has not been all that successful so far.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 03:25 AM
Oct 2017

I honestly thought that the Republicans and Trump would do more damage by now. I am not trying to downplay how terrible they are but they know that their agenda is not popular. Look at the popular reaction to their attempts to gut health care. The key going forward is getting people mobilized to vote come 2018. Democratic turnout is usually lower in the midterm elections so we need to be extra busy getting out the vote. Our biggest problems is that so many Americans believe in the "both sides are bad, politicians are all crooks" stuff and that depresses turnout for us since many of these folks would probably be Democrats if they weren't so discouraged and apathetic.

 

Mediumsizedhand

(531 posts)
33. His daily crazy is distracting and diversions, but it has also eaten up time without seriousness.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 03:30 AM
Oct 2017

It is an odd kind of mix up. Exhausting though.

Kablooie

(18,605 posts)
34. The media keeps letting him wriggle out of each scandal.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 03:55 AM
Oct 2017

So he hasn't had a motive to do real damage.

Once he's trapped and sees there's no escape is when he makes his big moves to destroy the economy and/or start WWIII



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