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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 08:32 AM Oct 2017

All the Other Harvey Weinsteins (by Molly Ringwald)

The tale of Harvey Weinstein is now a thread that has tangled its way through Hollywood, connecting women, mostly actresses, in a depressingly common way. We all seem to have a Harvey story, each one a little different but with essentially the same nauseating pattern and theme. Women were bullied, cajoled, manipulated, and worse, and then punished.

My Harvey story is different, mostly because of timing. I was in one of the first films that Weinstein produced. I accepted a supporting role in a small movie based on “Loser Takes All,” the short novel by Graham Greene. I was twenty years old. The idea of playing a supporting role in a small British movie appealed to me after having just made a big splash in the John Hughes movies. Plus, I was an enormous fan of Greene’s writing. When we began filming, in France, I was warned about the producer, but I had never heard of him and had no reason to fear him. The feeling on the set was that he and his brother Bob were becoming powerful and were difficult to work with, and that it was inadvisable to cross them. During a dinner at the Chèvre d’Or, in a tiny medieval village, there was a tense, awkward moment when Harvey became testy toward our British co-workers and accused them of thinking of us Americans as just the “little guys in the colonies.” It was sort of meant as a joke, I suppose, but it made everyone cringe, and all I could think was that the guy was volatile.

Thankfully, I wasn’t cajoled into a taxi, nor did I have to turn down giving or getting a massage. I was lucky. Or perhaps it was because, at that moment in time, I was the one with more power. “The English Patient,” Weinstein’s first Best Picture winner, was still a few years away. The worst I had to contend with was performing new pages that Harvey had someone else write, which were not in the script; my co-star, Robert Lindsay, and I had signed off to do a film adapted and directed by one person, and then were essentially asked to turn our backs on him and film scenes that were not what we had agreed to. We hadn’t even finished filming, and the movie was already being taken away from the director.

After that, the film was completely taken away, recut, and retitled. Weinstein named it “Strike It Rich,” because he insisted that Americans couldn’t stand to have the word “loser” in a title. He also changed the poster: he had my head stuck onto another body, dressed in a form-fitting, nineteen-fifties-pinup-style dress, with a hand reaching out to accept a diamond, like Marilyn Monroe in “Gentlemen Prefer Blondes.” I wouldn’t have posed for a picture like that, since it had nothing to do with the character I portrayed; it struck me as ridiculous false advertising. (I was always a little mystified that Harvey had a reputation as a great tastemaker when he seemed so noticeably lacking in taste himself. But he did have a knack for hiring people who had it, and I figured that’s what passes for taste in Hollywood.) In any case, the film tanked. I had a percentage of the gross, and, as it turned out, you still make money if you have a gross percentage. I found this out about a year later, when my lawyer called to tell me that I had been denied the percentage owed to me. She asked if it was O.K. if she went after the Weinsteins. I ended up suing them for the money, which I got, and I never worked with Harvey or the company again.

While my own Harvey story may be different, I have had plenty of Harveys of my own over the years, enough to feel a sickening shock of recognition. When I was thirteen, a fifty-year-old crew member told me that he would teach me to dance, and then proceeded to push against me with an erection. When I was fourteen, a married film director stuck his tongue in my mouth on set. At a time when I was trying to figure out what it meant to become a sexually viable young woman, at every turn some older guy tried to help speed up the process. And all this went on despite my having very protective parents who did their best to shield me. I shudder to think of what would have happened had I not had them.

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/all-the-other-harveys

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All the Other Harvey Weinsteins (by Molly Ringwald) (Original Post) oberliner Oct 2017 OP
K&R Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2017 #1
Wow. Mrs. Overall Oct 2017 #2
Great article in the New Yorker. FM123 Oct 2017 #3
Great article. Yes, I can imagine what has happened to all the girls w/o caring, hovering parents Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #4
Awesome article, and one thing sticks out for me FakeNoose Oct 2017 #5
Angelina Jolie is Jon Voight's daughter and was treated this way obamanut2012 Oct 2017 #7
She may be talking about the movie business but that happens everywhere lunatica Oct 2017 #6
Agree. And especially in male dominated businesses mountain grammy Oct 2017 #9
This is really good ismnotwasm Oct 2017 #8
Exactly geardaddy Oct 2017 #11
K & R geardaddy Oct 2017 #10
"When I was fourteen, a married film director..." Tarc Oct 2017 #12
And in 1982 he would have been 60 TexasBushwhacker Oct 2017 #17
I've always wondered how the Weinstein's became so powerful. DK504 Oct 2017 #13
"And all this went on despite my having very protective parents who did their best to shield me" Snake Plissken Oct 2017 #14
Maybe she didn't tell her parents at the time oberliner Oct 2017 #15
maybe, I wished she just explained it better. Snake Plissken Oct 2017 #16

FM123

(10,053 posts)
3. Great article in the New Yorker.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:02 AM
Oct 2017

Quite a sad coming of age story in Hollywood, even sadder that there are probably many more just like that for young stars that we grew up with on the screen

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
4. Great article. Yes, I can imagine what has happened to all the girls w/o caring, hovering parents
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:23 AM
Oct 2017

to protect them. I was a young girl myself, so I have an idea, although I imagine it's worse in that environment.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
5. Awesome article, and one thing sticks out for me
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:44 AM
Oct 2017
And all this went on despite my having very protective parents who did their best to shield me. I shudder to think of what would have happened had I not had them.


I have wondered about the parents of the other girls and young women, e.g. Gwynneth Paltrow, Mira Sorvino and others. They were assaulted by Harvey Weinstein, and yet their parents were already working in the film industry. Surely the parents of Sorvino and Paltrow already knew what a scuzz Weinstein was, by rumor if not by direct knowledge. Are parents completely unable to protect their daughters, or at least warn them to stay away from guys like this?

I have no connection to the film industry or to Hollywood, but I did grow up with protective and loving parents. I'm sure most of us did. And I'm a parent myself, so it's hard for me to believe that any parent would look the other way and allow this to go on.

obamanut2012

(26,068 posts)
7. Angelina Jolie is Jon Voight's daughter and was treated this way
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:53 AM
Oct 2017

She was a legit "Hollywood Family Princess." Like Carrie Fisher, who was also harassed.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
6. She may be talking about the movie business but that happens everywhere
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:46 AM
Oct 2017

Everything she describes happened to me in just ordinary life. There's a reason the term male chauvinist pigs stuck.

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
8. This is really good
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:59 AM
Oct 2017

I’ve been wondering about the all other Harvey Weinsteins, because you know they exist...

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
12. "When I was fourteen, a married film director..."
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 11:00 AM
Oct 2017

Well, unless this refers to some audition that she never got... Ringwald was 14 in 1982, specifically says film and not tv director, so this seems to refer "Spacehunter: Adventures in the Forbidden Zone" by Lamont Johnson released in 83. She was in Paul Mazursky's "Tempest" in 1982 but with a August release date that's a pretty tight fit for filming and release in the same year, given her time frame.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
13. I've always wondered how the Weinstein's became so powerful.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 11:02 AM
Oct 2017

A few good movies aren't generally enough to get THAT much power. It is usually the actors that become more powerful because they can "open" movies, like Tom Cruise. People like these, the Weinstein's have never been tasteful enough to understand how good the scripts were on their own. They had to have had someone tell them to make this movie because the script is good.

I was in that role for a while reading scripts and bringing them to producers with my recommendations, they actually listened to me, someone that had been in the Industry for 5 minutes. I really should have never left that job, there was never a chance either male producer would have assualted me.

Every single woman in H'wood has had these expereinces. Needless to say most women in society, not just workplaces have had to deal with this. The numbers are staggering and still they are in charge.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
14. "And all this went on despite my having very protective parents who did their best to shield me"
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 11:35 AM
Oct 2017

I can't wrap my head around that part of it, if some 35 year old pervert was grinding his erection up against my 13 year old daughter, he would end up in the hospital, or if some married film director stuck his tongue in my mouth of my 14 year old daughter on set. I would call the police and tell them to bring an ambulance.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
16. maybe, I wished she just explained it better.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 01:21 PM
Oct 2017

It sickens me to know these pedophiles got away with this, and how many other children did they molest?

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