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Pretend You're A Deplorable And Looking At The Latest Polls (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2017 OP
Caveat JustAnotherGen Oct 2017 #1
But if you look at a bunch of polls like this...you can see the trend...and it is not looking good Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #3
Let's wait until the 8th of November JustAnotherGen Oct 2017 #5
x1000 peggysue2 Oct 2017 #16
The elections...in November will not tell the tale...wait until 18. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #18
In NJ JustAnotherGen Oct 2017 #23
I think we will flip districts...the GOP don't get how big an issue the ACA is going to be. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #25
Yeah, just not sure I can trust polls anymore. Polls don't factor in cheating and Russia. OliverQ Oct 2017 #26
FAKE NEWS. Sad. (You said to pretend I am a deplorable) Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #2
Oh I hope JustAnotherGen Oct 2017 #6
I hope so too. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #7
+1, evil lieberal media, fake news. Hannity and Rush are the only honest voices. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #9
They only worship t-rump and hang on every effing lie. Iliyah Oct 2017 #4
Polls don't mean much when it comes to elections these days. KPN Oct 2017 #8
Exactly. Polls and election results don't match. Voting system not secure. nt Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #10
But, but ... we're a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy! KPN Oct 2017 #12
We are both, a republic and a representative democracy. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #19
We were, until 2000. lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #20
Yep. They stole that election too. nt Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #22
Yes. I was just being sarcastic about KPN Oct 2017 #24
Deplorables get more determined... Wounded Bear Oct 2017 #11
Well, time to buck up then, eh? KPN Oct 2017 #13
Yes it is... Wounded Bear Oct 2017 #14
Keep at it. Do your bit. KPN Oct 2017 #15
Deplorables don't believe in polls. EL34x4 Oct 2017 #17
And bus loads in New Hampshire (I believe) ATL Ebony Oct 2017 #27
The watch fox news - not read real clear politics polls. Joe941 Oct 2017 #21
Harry Truman said... Va Lefty Oct 2017 #28

JustAnotherGen

(31,811 posts)
1. Caveat
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 08:58 AM
Oct 2017

We can't trust polls anymore.

It's all about assuming we are going to 'lose' if we don't have hands at the buttons on election day.

That's the approach we take in NJ - it's doom and gloom, we can only win by being relentless, and take NOTHING for granted.


Let's not get cocky until we are done with our work. We are just getting started here.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
3. But if you look at a bunch of polls like this...you can see the trend...and it is not looking good
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 09:01 AM
Oct 2017

for the GOP and the orange one.

JustAnotherGen

(31,811 posts)
5. Let's wait until the 8th of November
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 09:08 AM
Oct 2017

We have 2.5 weeks to go and there's a lot that can happen in that time.

Menendez, a major storm, activity from Fed Gov surrounding taxes - that's just three.

We can't rest on our laurels and pretend that it's in the bag.


Understand - what is at stake in NJ. When you hear/read Gerrymander -

THIS IS THE YEAR. We must be relentless. I don't want anyone googling or flying by who is just figuring out there is an election coming up to be like 'Oh well my vote isn't needed anyways'. The rest of the country is NEXT year - but the State Government (in particular Governor) who will have oversight is NOW- Tuesday, November 7, 2017.



This is Trumplandia and lord knows what the Russians have planned for us. The only way to beat them is VOLUME.


Treat this election like you have to 'take the house' in 2018.

It's THAT serious. I'm very happy Obama is coming here. I don't give a shit what the local media says about 'Newark/Black/Minority' voters.

He will reiterate - Vote for the guy, who worked for the guy, who beat the Republicans twice. Not Christies little yip yip dog.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
16. x1000
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 11:36 AM
Oct 2017

Exactly. No rest, no ho-hums or politics is so-o-o irrelevant or both parties are the same nonsense. If the Trump Era doesn't spur you to get off your ass and vote then we can all kiss the country good-bye. The stakes are that high. New Jersey (my native state), Virginia, even Alabama needs all Dems to get the vote out NOW. No excuses.

As for the abysmal polls, the Trumpsters will cry foul, fake news. We need to prove them wrong.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
18. The elections...in November will not tell the tale...wait until 18.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 02:55 PM
Oct 2017

That being said, I think we have a good shot.

JustAnotherGen

(31,811 posts)
23. In NJ
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 06:47 PM
Oct 2017

It's our 2018.

I also don't think we are flipping Red districts here next year. Lenny and Rod will keep their seats.

But in 2020 - when we redistrict?

Game on for 2022.

This is our 2018. We can't allow that racist yip yip dog Kim G take Trenton. She was Trump before Trump.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
8. Polls don't mean much when it comes to elections these days.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 09:52 AM
Oct 2017

That doesn't mean they aren't accurate, just that Republican thievery gets in the way.

I'm ready to blow those bastards up. Maybe Cersei can take care of that at the next GOP National Convention.

Irish_Dem

(46,918 posts)
19. We are both, a republic and a representative democracy.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 03:55 PM
Oct 2017

At least we were until the last election.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
20. We were, until 2000.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 04:06 PM
Oct 2017

Hanging chads in 2000, massive Ohio suppression in 2004, electronic vote-stealing machines, and now the TrumPutin hacks, Voter Suppression Commission, etc etc.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
24. Yes. I was just being sarcastic about
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 07:26 AM
Oct 2017

beliefs I've heard conservatives espouse by using the term " constitutional republic" that our founding fathers didn't mean for us to all have a vote for our leaders -- only the those who were endowed with sufficient knowledge, prudence, and wisdom. They somehow seem to think that should be extended to the Presidency.

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
11. Deplorables get more determined...
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 11:04 AM
Oct 2017

We face an inherent problem in the fight against conservatism and it's correllary, Trumpism.

Conserves tend to be people of faith/religion. They see sinking polls and claim "God will provide" and continue working.

Liberals/progressives tend to be people of realism. They see sinking polls and far too many of them lose heart and give up, since "reality" and "facts" point out they're losing.

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
14. Yes it is...
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 11:19 AM
Oct 2017

but that is the stream we're trying to swim up. So many people have given up, it's hard to re-energize them.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
15. Keep at it. Do your bit.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 11:26 AM
Oct 2017

I'm participating in the DNCs Neighbor-to-Neighbor program here locally to "get out the vote" in 2018 (actually also on local elections this fall). Of course, I'm retired and have the time.

Anyway, you are right (and your theory about conservatives vs liberals makes a lot of sense to me) ... a lot of folks are discouraged or are tuning out for the sake of personal, mental well-being. All I can do is try to give them a reason to feel more hopeful and perhaps energized.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
17. Deplorables don't believe in polls.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 11:39 AM
Oct 2017

They don't believe Trump lost the popular vote either, arguing he was ahead until California let illegals run up the score.

ATL Ebony

(1,097 posts)
27. And bus loads in New Hampshire (I believe)
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 01:19 PM
Oct 2017

Shortly after tRump went on his illegal voting rampage, a deplorable woman claimed that she saw all those illegals voting by the bus load, lots of buses. She said and this is just one state, I'm sure they were doing it in other states as well.

So the popular vote is incorrect and tRump probably won that too.

Va Lefty

(6,252 posts)
28. Harry Truman said...
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 01:20 PM
Oct 2017

“Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Republican. But I repeat myself.”

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