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Why didn't they hire Puerto Ricans and Puerto Rican businesses to redo the electrical system? (Original Post) Botany Oct 2017 OP
I cannot think of any reason that they would not give the job to Elon Not Ruth Oct 2017 #1
Because that wouldn't be cronyism SHRED Oct 2017 #2
Bingo!!! There is much less graft for 45s donors if Puerto Ricans fix it themselves. LonePirate Oct 2017 #14
Because it's highly skilled work, and there aren't that many people in PR mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2017 #3
And no one can do it better than two rich guys in Montana Orrex Oct 2017 #5
You don't know that madokie Oct 2017 #7
I think you left off the sarcasm thingy. onenote Oct 2017 #25
OFF sake SHRED Oct 2017 #13
We have plenty of engineers, electricians, etc. Many are graduates of Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2017 #27
because Puerto Rico didn't vote for Trump DBoon Oct 2017 #4
Are there any companies greytdemocrat Oct 2017 #6
my quick google search did not show many big electrical contractors there Botany Oct 2017 #8
Yeah greytdemocrat Oct 2017 #11
Nothing that the locals can't handle madokie Oct 2017 #9
Remember how Katrina provided Wellstone ruled Oct 2017 #10
Didn't I hear something about Elon Musk volunteering shanny Oct 2017 #12
Why didn't we hire Iraqis to keep their economy up and running? underpants Oct 2017 #15
We all know what Trump thinks of Puerto Rican workers... nt ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #16
Everywhere there is massive damage to the electrical grid, MineralMan Oct 2017 #17
MineralMan for President. NT mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2017 #20
If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve! MineralMan Oct 2017 #22
Was that Alfred E. Neuman or Pogo? mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2017 #23
Makes too much sense, plus, that would leave their cronies, relatives and donors out in the cold. brush Oct 2017 #18
Now, how would Trump and his cronies get rich off of that? Who would pay the kickbacks? FSogol Oct 2017 #19
Because then Zinke wouldn't get kickbacks. octoberlib Oct 2017 #21
Which Puerto Rico companies would be qualified for the job? onenote Oct 2017 #24
I assume the grunt work will be done by some of the locals, but does anyone know if Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #26

madokie

(51,076 posts)
7. You don't know that
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 12:41 PM
Oct 2017

When you break it down to its individual components its simple enough for anyone to do any phase of it. All you need is a few planners and the rest will take care of itself.

I guarantee you that the people of PR can do this work.

Elon Musk had a good idea too

onenote

(42,671 posts)
25. I think you left off the sarcasm thingy.
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 02:09 PM
Oct 2017

Rebuilding the electrical grid of an island the size of Puerto Rico, isn't something that is done with pick-up labor. It's highly specialized and dangerous work, made all the more difficult given that transportation and access to the necessary resources on the island are severely compromised.

When Hurricane Ivan devastated the electrical grid on Grand Cayman in 2004, the local utility could never have handled the rebuild on its own. Fortunately, that utility was an affiliate of a much larger multi-national company, Fortis, which was able to draw resources from other countries to enable the restoration of power -- a task that still took months to complete.

The only entity authorized to provide electric generation and distribution on Puerto Rico is PREPA, a government owned company that declared bankruptcy in July. It's pure fantasy to think they would be in the position to manage restoration of power using the resources available to them on the island.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,500 posts)
27. We have plenty of engineers, electricians, etc. Many are graduates of
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 02:27 PM
Oct 2017

the UPR in Mayaguez which is a top school. Where are you getting this from?

DBoon

(22,353 posts)
4. because Puerto Rico didn't vote for Trump
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 12:36 PM
Oct 2017

And because manly Trump supporters mine coal - wind and solar are for liberal granola eating hippies.

greytdemocrat

(3,299 posts)
6. Are there any companies
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 12:38 PM
Oct 2017

that have the connections to do it??

From what I had read after the storm
had passed, some of the transmission towers
need choppers to replace parts.

Having been and driven around PR many times
doing this job is going to be a huge effort.

Botany

(70,482 posts)
8. my quick google search did not show many big electrical contractors there
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 12:42 PM
Oct 2017

SM seemed to be the one company .... and they looked like they did more
business and residential work.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
10. Remember how Katrina provided
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 12:54 PM
Oct 2017

certain Rethug friends to rip off the taxpayers. Example,Jeb Bush created company to provide Pumps that were only able to provide about half the volume required,and had major operational as well as spotty reliability. FEMA bought Junk at premium price.

Someone posted the Daily Pay Rates for so called contract Employees,What a rip off.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
12. Didn't I hear something about Elon Musk volunteering
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 12:56 PM
Oct 2017

to get involved? Using solar and batteries I assume. Don't remember the details--can anyone help me out?

eta: yup, he's doing it. already started https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/25/tesla-first-puerto-rico-energy-project-to-help-rebuild-island.html

underpants

(182,730 posts)
15. Why didn't we hire Iraqis to keep their economy up and running?
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 01:04 PM
Oct 2017

Because there was too much money involved.

MineralMan

(146,282 posts)
17. Everywhere there is massive damage to the electrical grid,
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 01:07 PM
Oct 2017

outside people are called in. In the continental US, utility companies have mutual agreements that bring crews and equipment in from all over the country, if needed. We had a convoy of utility trucks with cherry pickers and cranes head down to Texas from Minnesota to help restore power.

Powerline work is skilled work, and dangerous work. Working on high-voltage main lines and even service lines requires a lot of safety training and established routines to prevent electrocution deaths. Existing crews and equipment in any area are inadequate when there is massive damage. In Puerto Rico, there is no road available to get trucks and crews from the continental US there. It is going to require a contractor with the capacity to move in and get the restoration job done in any sort of timely way. There is no way that locals can be recruited, trained and supplied with the necessary equipment required.

So, some company with adequate equipment and crews needed to be hired. Was that company the right one? I have no idea, but there is a stink around how the contract was awarded. But it's not just a matter of hiring a bunch of local workers. Everyone needs to be a thoroughly trained powerline worker, and specialized equipment in large numbers will also be needed.

As for Elon Musk's plan to bring in his Power Wall technology, that's all well and good, but supplying an entire island with 4 million people with that will take years to accomplish, and Puerto Rico does not have years to get electrical power up and running. Not in any way at all.

People are misunderstanding the scope of the work, equipment, supplies, and training that is needed to restore power after a natural disaster. Otherwise they would never suggest that it could be done with internal PR resources..

brush

(53,759 posts)
18. Makes too much sense, plus, that would leave their cronies, relatives and donors out in the cold.
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 01:10 PM
Oct 2017

Not to mention all those in line to get kickbacks from Zinke's neighbor who got the 300m contract.

onenote

(42,671 posts)
24. Which Puerto Rico companies would be qualified for the job?
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 01:27 PM
Oct 2017

The answer: None. PREPA (Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority) is a government owned corporation and is the only company authorized to engage in the business of electricity generation, power distribution, and power transmission on Puerto Rico. In addition to the fact that it's facilities were devastated by the hurricane, it had declared bankruptcy in July.

Thus, it has to look elsewhere to obtain, via contract, the services needed to rebuild the grid.

The situation is not unlike that in Grand Cayman, after Hurricane Ivan decimated the island's power generation and distribution capabilities. The local utility, Caribbean Utilities Corporation, needed assistance from Fortis, an outside entity which had a partial ownership interest in CUC, to supply the resources to restore power.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Fortis+Inc.%3a+Caribbean+Utilities+Working+to+Restore+Power+on+Grand...-a0122108308

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
26. I assume the grunt work will be done by some of the locals, but does anyone know if
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 02:21 PM
Oct 2017

union wages are required for this job?

This SCANDAL has no meaning anymore. America is proud to be the 2nd most corrupt nation going.

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