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Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 10:25 AM Oct 2017

The story about Cambridge Analytica's attempted collusion with Russia for Trump should be enough

to bring down this presidency or at least render it impotent. The story about a 300 million dollar contract to a two year old politically well connected company with just two workers under contract, to restore electricity in Puerto Rico, should be enough to bring down this presidency or at least render it impotent. A rigged Voter Integrity Commission should be enough, or an EPA that muzzles scientists from reporting on climate change. That should be enough. Or repeated rifts with American allies, or Trump's failure to appoint a U.S. Ambassador to South Korea ten months into his administration while talk of a nuclear war on the Korean peninsular intensifies.

Stories about the next slew of radical revisions in federal agency regulations barely register a one day blip in page six coverage before fading from public consciousness entirely. Except for those personally effected, we can barely hold onto our awareness of the Las Vegas carnage, let alone track what is or isn't being done to prevent a repetition of it.

Puerto Rico might as well be a province in Iraq given the attention we can collectively muster to the ongoing humanitarian catastrophe there engulfing millions of U.S.citizens. Chartered jet flights by Cabinet members, continual presidential weekends spent golfing, frequent turn over among top Administration figures, threats to the First Amendment, these all should be enough to to bring down this presidency or at least render it impotent. The list goes on and on. And on.

And that is why none of these things are bringing down Trump's presidency, or yet rendering it impotent. The deluge is utterly mind numbing, and it then has to compete with the latest presidential tweet outrage of the day for any public notice. DACA is expiring, CHIP already expired. We might as well be talking about random strings of letters for all the continued focus we can muster on any of it. The Affordable Care Act has been effectively sabotaged but there is little time left to talk about that while Republicans are unilaterally ramming though a massive transfer of wealth to the wealthiest, under the ruse of "Tax Reform". There is minimal capacity to concentrate for more than an instant on any of the critical actions or inactions of the Trump Administration in any substantive way.

All we are left with is the fog of war and the figure of Donald Trump. And that is how he wants it. He wants public attention on his administration to be reduced to a referendum on him alone. And Trump is more than willing to lose that referendum, so long as he can solidify the support of a majority of a small minority of a small minority - the lion's share of Republican primary voters. With that he blackmails whatever relatively sane Republicans remain in Congress. Trump doesn't need the approval of the American people to reign, just that of a small fanatical base. With that he continues to veto all efforts by the overwhelming majority of Americans to rein him in.

The more Trump is attacked personally, the more Trump uses those attacks to rally his hard core believers to defend him. And in the ensuing fury, his actions evade focused scrutiny. It is as intended.

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The story about Cambridge Analytica's attempted collusion with Russia for Trump should be enough (Original Post) Tom Rinaldo Oct 2017 OP
Kick and Rec. Great analysis. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #1
The question is cilla4progress Oct 2017 #2
You got it. triron Oct 2017 #3
My gut reaction to that question... Tom Rinaldo Oct 2017 #5
There will never be enough. As long as the republican party controls justhanginon Oct 2017 #4
I am not as pessimistic as you Tom Rinaldo Oct 2017 #12
You describe well how authoritarianism works. JHan Oct 2017 #6
We haven't had to deal with a full blown authoritarian national leader before, not in my lifetime Tom Rinaldo Oct 2017 #8
Yes, we get sucked into a vortex cilla4progress Oct 2017 #7
kick for visibility triron Oct 2017 #9
Thank you. And thereby it gets kicked again... n/t Tom Rinaldo Oct 2017 #10
kick again triron Oct 2017 #11
knr triron Oct 2017 #13

emulatorloo

(44,063 posts)
1. Kick and Rec. Great analysis.
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 10:44 AM
Oct 2017

There is a constant stream of dissembling, misrepresentation, red herrings, distractions and deflections. Now we see the efforts of Republican congressmen to poison the well even further as they dishonestly try to twist this into a "Hillary Scandal"

And you are right, they have used much to the distraction to relentlessly destroy everything good that was accomplished during the Obama years.

There is indeed too much going on. Activists are being overwhelmed with all this disinformation, exactly as you describe.

We though we saved Obamacare with our letters and calls to our congresspersons to vote for their constituents interests. McCain cast that vote against Trumpcare and the ACA remained the law of the land.

We breathed a sigh of relief. People who protested knew their work was finally done. Our Democratic politicians had relentlessly pushed back against the Trump/Ryan agenda

And then undercover the Trump admin neutered the ACA. Yes I believe this is conscious strategy. It stinks of Bannon. I am really frustrated today as to how we are gonna dig out of this hole.

cilla4progress

(24,717 posts)
2. The question is
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 10:46 AM
Oct 2017

why are we letting a minority of wrecked humans take this country and the world hostage, while we stand helplessly by in shock and awe?

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
5. My gut reaction to that question...
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 11:01 AM
Oct 2017

There is so much to be outraged about that we default to voicing outrage over Trump, rather than "calmly" and methodically focusing enough on exploiting Republican vulnerability on critical issues of importance to the majority of Americans. I have this syndrome myself. I want to shout from the roof "How the Hell can we let this man be President!" To me it is self evident that we can't, and thus emphatically making that point should result in his removal. And yes we are making some progress by hammering that point home, mostly with some of the Independents who voted for Trump in the last election and a few of the most reluctant Republican backers of him then. But that are not enough. Like I said above, constant attacks on Trump personally cause his most fervent supporters to just close ranks and minds around him. And so far he has enough of them to hold Congressional Republicans in line.

Democrats were by far most effective so far when we engaged the public in the substantive impact of Republican efforts to repeal and replace Obamacare with Trumpcare. The facts are on our side on issues that "ordinary Americans" deeply care about and we seem to do best when we press that case relentlessly.

justhanginon

(3,289 posts)
4. There will never be enough. As long as the republican party controls
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 10:54 AM
Oct 2017

all branches of government the overriding factor wiil always be party first along with money for reelection. They will toadie up to trump as long as he keeps helping them dismantling the countries basic premise of helping all, not just their wealthy benefactors. We are heading down a road that will not be corrected in my lifetime if ever. And that is a sad, sad commentary on what has become of our society with the advent of trumpism.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
12. I am not as pessimistic as you
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 09:02 PM
Oct 2017

Although I am horrified about what is happening. Republicans by and large can not break with Trump and still get elected again as Republicans - so yes those in office remain loyal to him. But their majorities in Congress are not safe, and a huge blue wave is growing for 2018. The Republican Party makes up a small minority of the electorate in most parts of the country. They have begun alienating Independents at an increasing rate.

My fear is more over the amount of damage we will have to begin the process of repairing when Republicans lose their majorities, and how screwed the Judicial system will be by that point. It is possible that we will succumb to authoritarianism, but I still think it more likely that they will be exposed and rejected. Demographic trends if nothing else are still working against the Republicans. But it is more than just that, there is growing revulsion toward them also. And many of the voters who they courted to win those majorities will now be holding Republicans accountable for the pain their policies will soon be causing them.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
6. You describe well how authoritarianism works.
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 11:09 AM
Oct 2017

Often, we say he's doing something to "distract" or "divert", but I think his tweets and "distractions" are all integral to his governance style. The more we talk about a tweet or the latest outrage or lie, we aren't talking about the corruption of the Trump Administration or the way this administration is ripping off Americans.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
8. We haven't had to deal with a full blown authoritarian national leader before, not in my lifetime
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 11:29 AM
Oct 2017

Johnson possibly had some trace traits in that direction, but they were way more than countered by his sufficient respect for American democracy, and his ultimate sense of service to his nation and our people. Nixon certainly had some impulses - but not anywhere to Trump's extent. Nixon felt it was his inherent right, as leader, to game the system with illicit means if necessary to pursue his agenda. But somewhere underneath those impulses he actually believed in our system - as evidenced by his not wanting to contest the presidential results in 1960 despite some evidence of vote rigging in Chicago that could have swung to election to JFK.

Men like Joe McCarthy never made it to the Oval Office, until now. Spiro Agnew almost did but we dodged that bullet. We have a steep learning curve to master on countering a domestic authoritarian leader.

cilla4progress

(24,717 posts)
7. Yes, we get sucked into a vortex
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 11:27 AM
Oct 2017

That is a mix of gossip, gamesmanship, and reality show.

Not one question - ONE - about Russian sanctions (that would be trumps failure to implement despite 99%+ bipartisan Congressional vote in support) at the popup presser by Marine One yesterday.

Trump plays the press and population like a fiddle...like the fools we are.

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