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Can a President pardon someone who has only been indicted? (Original Post) tinrobot Oct 2017 OP
Yes. H2O Man Oct 2017 #1
E.g., Nixon. EffieBlack Oct 2017 #2
What I thought... not good. tinrobot Oct 2017 #4
Yes, Pres. Carter blanket pardoned Vietnam era Crabby Appleton Oct 2017 #15
Presidental pardoning powers are so powerful they can pardon themselves. joshcryer Oct 2017 #3
That's never been tested unblock Oct 2017 #6
The president can pardon a turkey sandwich Xipe Totec Oct 2017 #5
The joke is that 45 ordered the execution of every Turkey that Obama pardoned Thor_MN Oct 2017 #12
Who the fuck writes a constitution where a national leader can pardon themselves? Isn't Fred Sanders Oct 2017 #7
I don't think a president can be charged with a crime customerserviceguy Oct 2017 #9
Disagree. Putting one person above the law is not democracy. If Shitler did a murder..he can Fred Sanders Oct 2017 #10
A President removed by impeachment loses the power to pardon. Thor_MN Oct 2017 #14
No trial...for murder. 100% wrong. Fred Sanders Oct 2017 #16
Of course a trial for murder, where did I say there wouldn't be a trial? Thor_MN Oct 2017 #17
You claimed a President could not be CHARGED with a crime. Now you agree he can. Good. Fred Sanders Oct 2017 #19
Ridiculous. You are are now confusing me with another poster. Thor_MN Oct 2017 #20
His hair "do" alone is absolutely criminal. smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #13
don't panic--can't pardon anyone charged w/state crimes shanny Oct 2017 #8
If the GOP goes along with Trump pardons to obstruct justice, voters should vote them all out! coolsandy Oct 2017 #11
Trump can only pardon for a federal crime. Vinca Oct 2017 #18

unblock

(52,196 posts)
6. That's never been tested
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 12:11 AM
Oct 2017

It's unclear what the reaction would be. Surely the founders, who worried greatly about tyranny, did not intend to make a president above the law, which a self-pardon would do. That said, there's no explicit text in the constitution preventing it.

The Supreme Court would have to decide if a "pardon" inherently involves two different people.

Regardless, one would hope that even this congress would view a self-pardon as demanding impeachment and removal.

I know, I said hope,....

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
12. The joke is that 45 ordered the execution of every Turkey that Obama pardoned
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 10:33 AM
Oct 2017

in order to undo everything that Obama did.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
7. Who the fuck writes a constitution where a national leader can pardon themselves? Isn't
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 12:23 AM
Oct 2017

that the definition of a dictatorship? NOT what the founders intended, I guarantee. No one is above the rule of law, even a moron who has no idea what that means.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
9. I don't think a president can be charged with a crime
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 01:06 AM
Oct 2017

But Congress has the right through the impeachment process to remove a president for "high crimes and misdemeanors" alike. They are the ultimate "court" that a president has to answer to.

Of course, a self-pardon would not be effective as to Congress' power to impeach.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
10. Disagree. Putting one person above the law is not democracy. If Shitler did a murder..he can
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 10:02 AM
Oct 2017

not be charged? Maybe America is a dictatorship after all, as intended long ago??

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
14. A President removed by impeachment loses the power to pardon.
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 10:39 AM
Oct 2017

They can then be charged with crimes which they can not pardon anyone for.

A President committing a murder would be impeached, Article 25ed, or forced to resign before being tried for the murder.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
17. Of course a trial for murder, where did I say there wouldn't be a trial?
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 12:42 PM
Oct 2017

It would happen after the President was removed from office.

Only an idiot would think that a person would remain in the White House while on trial for murder.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
20. Ridiculous. You are are now confusing me with another poster.
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 01:41 PM
Oct 2017

Try reading with some semblance of comprehension, please. This is two times where you have tried to claim I said something that only exists in your mind.

I never said there would be no trial and I never said that a President could not be charged with a crime.

What I did say is that a President would be out of office before a trial could happen.

Please try reading more carefully and pay attention to who says what.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
8. don't panic--can't pardon anyone charged w/state crimes
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 12:23 AM
Oct 2017

and NY AG is deeply involved in all this too (really unfortunate for the trumps that he / they live and "work" in Manhattan).

 

coolsandy

(479 posts)
11. If the GOP goes along with Trump pardons to obstruct justice, voters should vote them all out!
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 10:26 AM
Oct 2017

At some point, real patriot citizens must take to the streets and demand a return to orderly constitutional government or all is lost for America.

Vinca

(50,267 posts)
18. Trump can only pardon for a federal crime.
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 12:46 PM
Oct 2017

If any of the charges are violations of New York laws (NY AG is involved), the bird is going to have to sing to stay out of the big house.

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