Are we headed toward a constitutional crisis?

[kentuck]

Even more serious than the one we are presently in?

If Trump fires or attempts to fire Mueller, all hell would break loose. The Democrats would try to recruit Republican help in the Senate to stop him from doing it, or, more likely, re-appoint him as an independent counsel - who cannot be fired by the President - and let him continue the job he was hired to do.

If they were not successful, and did not have enough Republican votes, then the crisis would be in full bloom.

It would be a constitutional crisis and the Supreme Court would not involve themselves in such a dispute.

Is that the direction we are headed or will someone negotiate a deal with Donald Trump?

What do you think?

[PoliticAverse]

1. What "constitutional crisis" are we presently in?

"and the Supreme Court would not involve themselves in such a dispute."

Sure they would. They had no problem stepping in during Watergate in a dispute between the executive branch
and Congress.

[kentuck]

6. I do think we are in a serious crisis at present....

....but it could turn into a "constitutional crisis" if the Senate does not do its job.

[Thomas Hurt]

2. IMHO, Donnie will let anyone but family twist in the wind...unless he has exposure...then yes.

Donnie will try to fire Mueller or orchestrate it.

I could see him ordering Sessions to do it, regardless of recusal.

Odds are the GOP is going to stand around and keep their mouths shut.

They aren't doing anything to create a Nixon Redux unless they fear their seats in Congress are in jeopardy.

[kentuck]

5. I agree.

One would hope that a few Republicans would show a little independence. They don't have to be "Democrats". Independents are somewhat removed from the over-whelming partisanship that now occupies both Parties, it seems to me.

[RKP5637]

3. I think Trump wishes he had lost the election, which I think is what he expected. Relative to

Muller, I think he will just continue on.

[Not Ruth]

4. Mueller is done with the hard part, there are probably 50 people working for him

They can easily finish

[ashling]

7. What, exactly, are the requirements

for a sticky constitutional situation to be elevated to an official "constitutional crisis?"

just wondering as usual.

[Mr. Ected]

8. Yes, a constitutional crisis is inevitable

And being sordidly enabled by a propaganda machine on the right that has the populace believing alternative scenarios in lieu of reality. When Mueller's Silver Hammer comes down upon their heads, a good 40% of our people will believe it to be itself a criminal act on the part of the Democratic Party.

Trump never allows an advantage to go untouched. He'll put every single person on the planet in peril in order to protect himself. If that much isn't obvious to all of us by now, we really have become immune to the dissonance. Of course he'll try to fire Mueller. Of course he'll pardon everyone including himself. Of course he'll start a war to secure his position in the Oval Office. Of course he'll throw every single member of his team to the wolves just to slow Mueller's march to displace him. Of course he'll protect Jr. and Ivanka before Jared, and Ivanka before Jr. He's so transparent, so easy to read. He'll light a match and run. He's the 666 his peeps have been warning us about for ages.

[Initech]

16. I feel like we're already in one.

Every day that jackass is in power something bad happens that's worse than the day before it. If Obama or Hillary had one shoe drop, the GOP would have impeached, indicted, imprisoned and popped the champagne by now. Trump has had an entire industrial warehouse of shoes drop and nothing has changed. The GOP is drunk with power and we need to kick them in the ass now!

[marylandblue]

9. Yes, I think we are headed for a constitutional crisis

Three of the many ways it could happen:

One is, he fires Mueller. Mueller goes to court to be reinstated, while Congress is pressured to impeach or reinstate Mueller.

Two is, Mueller indicts him, and everyone argues about whether he can indict a sitting president. This goes to the SCOTUS, and there is even more pressure to impeach. It should be noted here that despite what legal scholars say, both the Nixon and Clinton special counsels concluded they could indict a sitting president. Of course they would, prosecutors want to prosecute like fish want to swim.

Three is, Trump pardons everybody and Mueller decides to test the limits of pardon power. It is possible there is some limit. For example, if the pardon is being used to obstruct justice.

[kentuck]

12. I think a President can only be impeached...

...at which time he can be indicted and tried for any crimes he may have committed? But not while he is President.

[marylandblue]

14. I disagree, which is part of what creates a constitutional crisis

[kentuck]

17. Yes, if there were not enough votes to change the status quo...

then that would be a constitutional crisis.

Democrats should vote with those Republicans that are willing to challenge the White House and vote in the nation's interests.

Just my opinion.

[StevieM]

10. I would argue that we were in a constitutional crisis the moment the FBI rigged the election

to make sure the GOP candidate would win.

[doc03]

11. To have a constitutional crisis we would have to have

an honest SCOTUS. Won't happen.

[marylandblue]

15. Five Justices are honest

Six, if you count Roberts, who does the right thing once in a while.

[GeorgeGist]

13. Given that Republicans control all but ...

the 4th branch of government, I'd predict the Constitution cannot protect US.

[NCjack]

18. The Ryan-McConnell axis is a constitutional crisis. nt