NY Post headline: Robert Mueller should resign

[oberliner]

And of course the Fox News headline on the subject (from yesterday) is:

Mueller facing new Republican pressure to resign in Russia probe

And the Wall Street Journal:

WSJ: Mueller should resign, Clinton and DNC colluded with Russia

Yahoo News has the same Fox News headline

Mueller facing new Republican pressure to resign in Russia probe

And on and on.

So what does all this mean?

[onecent]

1. It MEANS Robert Mueller isn't going to resign!!

[coolsandy]

2. Our media is compromised, controlled by the RW, and favors a degenerate to rule the US, and hates

America.

[Hortensis]

13. Please. This is RIGHT WING propaganda trash.

We all really, really need to differentiate between real journalism and propaganda disguised as news. That's the first cut.

Then, of course, we also need to differentiate between the journalistic sections of reputable news journals and the opinion and letters sections which can be anything but.

Then, because different writers can give very different slants to even fact-based coverage, we need to first look at the authors and know where they're coming from before reading.

Because you're right in one respect, the agendas of people like those in the Koch alliance are being advanced through both individually agents and carefully developed biases in the MSM.

[kstewart33]

25. Murdoch owns the WSJ and New York Post.

That should tell us all we need to know about what's going on. Expect Drudge to join the fray.

[Hortensis]

27. The WSJ Editorial Board's statement that Mueller should resign

Last edited Sun Oct 29, 2017, 08:50 AM - Edit history (1)

is all over FAR right-wing media, obviously a major effort. As a quick google shows.

(Amended post. I was wrong.)

[janterry]

29. I looked, too

and didn't see it. (I thought it was my oversight - or there was a paywall).

I really hope so. It's crazy.

[Hortensis]

33. I was wrong in thinking the "WSJ would NEVER have printed this."

The Editorial Board did call for Mueller's resignation to "avoid conflict" and supported Trump's allegations of improper conduct by Hillary Clinton's campaign.

Yet to be seen is if any article will be published to provide fake substantiation for this editorial statement. I'd said one could not pass basic editorial scrutiny for publication, but now I'm not that sure.

This IS the kind of thing that could possibly show up in their opinion/letters pages as a "contribution" by an outsider, and that's where one would expect to find it.

[oberliner]

37. No it's not

Why are you saying this?

Read the editorial.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-russians-and-the-fbi-1508971759

Quote:

"He could best serve the country by resigning to prevent further political turmoil over that conflict of interest."

[Hortensis]

41. I apologize. The desperation extends to the WSJ Ed Board.

They were always conservative, of course, but the insinuations and allegations in this is beyond anything I have seen from them. I didn't read the WSJ during Watergate.

Amending my previous posts.

[oberliner]

42. No problem

Thanks for amending previous posts.

I agree that it is startling that the WSJ (right wing though they are) would make a statement like that.

[Hortensis]

44. Kind of you, considering. I'm afraid this reflects the immense

power of those who are using this administration to accrue and consolidate more power.

I'm guessing this attack, which has exploded across right wing media, top to bottom, together with the GOP's turning its official investigations from Trump to Hillary and the coming indictment, means the investigation has entered a whole new stage -- open war.

[Hortensis]

85. Preet Bharara agrees with you, retweeted Favreau's.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Lol, turns out Lyndon Larouche is still alive and still very much himself, found him expressing approval of the WSJ's ed board:

"It was another 24 hours of fast paced developments in the foundering coup against the President. ... "

[oberliner]

38. There is a paywall

But the link to the editorial is posted below.

The headline of the editorial is: "Democrats, Russians, and the FBI"

Date is Oct 25.

[kstewart33]

34. Wait until tomorrow.

The WSJ doesn't publish on Sunday. If it's true, the editorial will appear in Monday's edition.

Normally, there is a paywall. I subscribe and will check it tomorrow.

More than anything else, if the editorial is published, it will signal that Murdoch has launched a war against Mueller and the Dems. The editorial board is nuts and has been for years. But this editorial would be an unusual move, even for them.

[oberliner]

36. They called for him to resign on Oct 25

Link to editorial posted below.

[rockfordfile]

65. That's owner is a far right conservative. That person backed Trump.

[oberliner]

35. WSJ Editorial board: "He could best serve the country by resigning"

Here's the article:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-russians-and-the-fbi-1508971759

[kstewart33]

43. Thank you, Oberliner, I will check it out. nt

[Hortensis]

49. The Saturday Night Massacre was 16 months into Watergate,

and Nixon had been reelected before the methodically-moving investigation precipitated it. We seem to already be at that flash point. Trying to stop the investigation by firing the special prosecutor was, of course, a fatal mistake, eliminating any possibility of coming out fairly whole, even if it did take most of a year for the Senate to finally impeach, leading to resignation.

But even those who voted for Nixon started paying attention when he tried to fire the special prosecutor.

(And again I apologize for making you have to do all this verification.)

[shanny]

58. fwiw the Senate didn't (doesn't) impeach, and in that instance the House did not.

The House Judiciary Committee did pass Articles of Impeachment however.

[Hortensis]

83. Whoops. As you say, fwiw. Accuracy matters.

The Senate removes from office.

[shanny]

84. yup.

[delisen]

79. Murdoch came out of Australia to be a destructive

force in Britain and the US.

Is it the Republican tax cut for billionaires they are protecting fighting for ?





.

[Eliot Rosewater]

78. YES it is and it does NOT belong on this forum, but I am not AT ALL surprised it made

it's way here, NOT AT ALL grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[GeoWilliam750]

55. Why is Fox News' narrative so closely in line with the Russians?

Also, why do none of the other networks shout this at ear-splitting volume?

[Vinca]

3. Maybe they're trying to nudge Orange Julius into firing Mueller. It would make a great story

after all and the big, bad Hillary Clinton pieces are getting stale.

[Achilleaze]

4. What's it all mean, Mr. Natural? Desperation

KGOP republican Comrade Casino (republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief) is shown here practicing his PERP WALK at one of his PRIVATELY-PROFITEERING exclusive tax-supported gourmet, golden, deluxe, first-class golf clubs for rich republicans who bigly enjoy slopping up scads of taxpayer-funded goodies.

[samnsara]

5. wow they are getting Desperate

[Angry Dragon]

6. He is doing a good job

[LBM20]

7. These are right wing publications. Dismiss this right wing BS.

[still_one]

18. That is true, but it is also true that a lot of sites such as Yahoo and Google News,

regurgitate this garbage, and it influences people.

A perfect example of this was when Comey released the letter to the republicans in Congress 11 days before the election.

Every media outlet reported it as the "email investigation was being reopened". THAT WAS A LIE. Those same media outlets then had every right wing republican prance across their television screens propagating that lie. Every poll before that had Hillary leading by at least 4 points. After Comey's folly, that lead was completely erased.

I think what they have done is successfully made this a talking point. Every national media outlet is now going to take this up as a discussion point, "should Mueller resign, should Hillary be locked up, did President Obama illegally sell uranium to Iran?"

This is a concerted effort to take over the country and subvert democracy. I think we are on the precipice of going over the edge

[delisen]

80. Agree. But we have many fighters on our side.

The Murdoch family is a huge part of the war on democracy.

Supposedly the Murdoch children are not as right wing as their father-but I'd like to see some proof beyond their getting rid of Roger Ailes-which might have been done only because of the lawsuits.

Billionaires need to be taxed mightily if we are to avoid a new "Middle Ages." I don't know whether the tax stuff is what the billionaires re after-or something more sinister.

[oberliner]

40. It's the top story on Google News

If you go to the Google News page, the story at the very top is the NY Post one.

[still_one]

8. It means that the NY Post is owned by Rupert Murdoch, and the only place this garbage is coming from

is either outlets owned by that piece of garbage, or right wing sites.

Yahoo like Google news is just pulling the garbage from those sites.

and I do not believe it is an exaggeration that we are very close to witnessing the end of the United States.

[NightWatcher]

9. When you're so guilty all you can do is ask the cop to ignore the body in the trunk...

What's next, a "pretty please"?

[smirkymonkey]

67. "What muffled screams, officer?"

Lock them up!

[Iliyah]

10. NY Post and WJ are owned by Rupert Murdoch

enough said.

[Iliyah]

11. RWers and same talking point

They are all programed including their politicians.

[bullimiami]

12. The Post is a rag. WSJ should either fire the editorial board in shame

Or shutter the whole paper.

This is the behavior of a puppet joke. If they want to be like Russia they should move.

[still_one]

20. The Post is a Murdoch rag, and not surprisingly the WSJ is owned by Murdoch, and the editor of the

WSJ is Gerard Baker who is a right winger who is in frequent contact with Murdoch.

The problem is, this will influence people, and is extremely dangerous.

I will not be surprised if Mueller is fired, and based on the republicans in Congress frequenting the outlets propagating the same calls, Congress is not going to do anything about it.

I think the country is finished. I hope I am wrong, but this is the rule of law and Democracy being perverted before our eyes

[no_hypocrisy]

14. Telling Mueller to resign is validation that he's doing his job.

[HopeAgain]

15. Simple: It means the rich don't want to pay taxes

That is all.

[janterry]

16. Do opinions really usurp facts?

I'm biased, too (we all are). But even if you have a bias...........to be a newspaper and to urge THIS the day before someone is arrested. The day after an indictment? They won't wait for facts?


America has really become a terribly stupid country.

[still_one]

21. This is an organized move to subvert the rule of law, and in fact destroy the United States of

America, and they might just succeed

[whathehell]

31. It's not "America"

that's stupid, it's the RW...One Aussie oligarch does not a nation make.

[mrsv]

17. It means Rupert Murdoch is an asshole.

He owns Fox, New York Post and Wall Street Journal.

[spanone]

19. a right wing full court press

[Orrex]

22. If as the WSJ notes, Clinton and the DNC colluded with Russia...

then the last thing Mueller should do is resign. He should remain on the case and expose this Russia collusion in all its gritty detail.

[JI7]

23. 'Rupert Murdoch Calls on Robert Mueller to Resign'

[dalton99a]

24. They're dutifully repeating and amplifying the little dictator's message

[PJMcK]

26. Michael Goodwin is a hack writer

His op-ed column is amateurish and ill-informed. There are several points to his argument that don't hold up to the slightest scrutiny.

In the first paragraph, Goodwin writes, "...there are so many moving parts that you shouldn’t trust anybody who isn’t confused." How does he know what is being looked into? The many angles of the Russia investigation are exactly what the Mueller team is about. Goodwin is simply trying to tell his readers that he doesn't understand the story.

Then he goes on to try to smear the Clinton campaign by stating the they paid for "the discredited dossier on Donald Trump’s supposed connections to Russia." Who discredited it? In fact, there is nothing in the dossier that hasn't held up to review. By trying to throw mud onto the information in the report, Goodwin is trying to say it's inaccurate. More importantly, I don't think Mr. Mueller is relying on the report. He is conducting his own in-depth investigation. If he uses the Steele document at all, it's probably to find new areas to look into using his subpoena powers. Those powers, and other investigative tools, are far more probing than the abilities that Christopher Steele had while developing his report. Mr. Mueller will be able to find out much more information than Mr. Steele did.

Further, the statement that Clinton's campaign paid for the dossier is irrelevant. It was opposition research which is something every campaign does. Still, that line of argument is just stupid. The charge that Clinton colluded with the Russians and lost the election doesn't even make sense.

Later in his column, Goodwin re-litigates the issue of the unmasking of names in FISA intercepts. Let's be clear: when National Security Adviser Susan Rice discovered that Americans within the Trump campaign had been in communication with Russian officials, it was her job to know who they were. That's why she unmasked them. It would have been supremely negligent if she hadn't found out who they were. We can be fairly certain that she knew about Manafort, Flynn and possibly others' communications with the foreign agents.

Lastly, in an imbecilic attempt to further muddy the waters, Goodwin brings in the recently released JFK assassination documents writing that "50 years from now, we might still be waiting for the truth about Russia, Russia, Russia." What does that have to do with the 2016 election? He smears so many people with that broadside that it removes any doubt about his journalistic abilities.

Michael Goodwin is a fool who cannot put two or more logical thoughts together.

[oberliner]

28. Agreed

But what about the Wall Street Journal editorial board?

[janterry]

30. Can anyone find/link to that?

Someone posted upthread that it might not really exist.

[oberliner]

32. Here ya go

Democrats, Russians and the FBI

https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-russians-and-the-fbi-1508971759

Relevant quote:

"He could best serve the country by resigning to prevent further political turmoil over that conflict of interest."

[janterry]

63. wow

that's - just -

so shameful.

[rockfordfile]

66. Who owns the that paper? What's their political support? Is the owner a Trump supporter?

[oberliner]

68. Murdoch

So, yes. But they have at least tried to give the appearance of not being 100 percent in the tank for Trump.

[oasis]

57. Excellent post, PJMcK.

[PJMcK]

69. Thank you, oasis

Enjoy your afternoon!

[kentuck]

39. When they stop lying...

...and tell people the truth.

Then he can resign.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. When a mainstream news organization calls for Mueller's resignation I'll be concerned.

Until then Rupert Murdoch can fuck himself. I hate those right wing bastards for making me type this on a Sunday morning.

[oberliner]

50. The problem is that it's the top story on Google News

So the average person who just pops over to Google News will see "Robert Mueller Should Resign" as the top story on the top of the page under "top stories" - doesn't get any more mainstream than Google.

Average person probably doesn't realize NY Post is what it is - they will just see that headline on the top of the Google News page.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. It is what it is.

If the GOP and their associates in the media are intent on fomenting a constitutional crisis and precipitating the abyss so be it. If ordinary South Koreans and Filipinos can take to the streets and peacefully protest to protect their democracies Americans can too.

[cilla4progress]

60. THIS!

This is why I keep saying it’s in us, as much as anything. If we don’t pull a national strike or demonstrate in front of the WH we are just as complicit.

What’s amazing to me is all this while tRumps favorability is tanking. So it’s not about him or Americans wanting him in office...it’s about the RW’s fascist power grab!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. If Trump fires Mueller we put millions in the streets to peacefully protest.

If Trump fire Mueller we put millions in the streets to peacefully protest, people from all walks of life, the way the South Koreans and Filipinos did, when their democracy was threatened.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

46. "... the New York Post was reported to be the preferred newspaper of U.S. President Donald Trump...

... who maintains frequent contact with its owner, Rupert Murdoch.[75]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Post

[WinkyDink]

71. And THIS is WHY:

[leftynyc]

47. All Murdoch crap

All 3 owned by him. Forget it.

[oberliner]

52. But it's the top story on Google News

At least it was for a while.

[workinclasszero]

48. It means Mueller is right over the target!

Bombs away baby!!!!

Fox "news", NY Post and the White House are just full of flop sweat this weekend, I wonder why??

[mnmoderatedem]

51. mnmoderatedem headline:

Rupert Murdoch should go fuck himself.

[davekriss]

54. Putin must be laughing his a** off

[sellitman]

56. It's maddening but expected

I imagine the RW masters will all be spewing this 24/7.

Brace yourselves.

[Mr. Ected]

59. Sure wish the MSM had been more forceful with its coverage over the months

They too have been weak and allowed an alternative theory to rise to the top, though through nefarious means.

Thank you Rachel, and Joy, and Lawrence, and Chris, and Ari, and even a little bit of Tweety, for continuously beating the war drums and reminding us daily that this entire administration has been under investigation from nearly day one, and that investigation was aimed at the greatest deceit ever perpetrated on a nation.

[Tatiana]

62. People with real power orchestrated this.

Perhaps the Mercers? Some billionaire family that is afraid of Mueller’s investigations exposing them.

These headlines reek of desperation. I’m afraid of what happens next...

[BSdetect]

64. What a disgrace that this could ever happen.

Murdoch is a real ahole.

[yuiyoshida]

70. It means they want to lock up Hillary and anyone from the DNC

who had any connections to Russia. Its a reverse...they are hoping that the REAL TRUTH will not surface.

[oberliner]

72. Why do they still care about Hillary Clinton?

She lost the election. She holds no office. She has no power over anyone's life.

[ismnotwasm]

73. Well its fodder for the rightwing

Any legit fact-based article I’ve read about say—uranium and Hillary—debunks both the idea and the substance of what conspiracy wingnuts are trying to push. Yet reading comments, or twitter feeds of the right show really believes this story—WANTS to believe it. I imagine they are feeling a lot of unidentified anxiety—Trump ~is~ their baby, and Democrats want nothing to do with him, well, other than he’s the president so, as little to do with him as possible. In other words, the right owns him the way the Germans owned Hitler. (I dislike Hitler comparisons in general, I just can’t think of a better on right now). What I mean is the shame most Germans felt for decades after.

The right is nowhere near that shame right now, but this mind-boggling apparent lack of any kind of critical thinking from a major newspaper—leads to the conclusion that what it means is Well, narrative framing yes, but also a kind of greedy need for legitimacy, of stature, of dignity. Trump represents every single thing wrong with America, and particularly white America. He is a mirror, and not a distorted one, but that kind that shows every pore, every scar, lump and bump. He undignified and horribly embarrassing. He’s a very foul picture and I’m not talking outward appearance. So if a newspaper or group of people continue to cling on to something as large in ugliness as Trump, like a tick or a leech, they’re so busy sucking blood they don’t realize they’re gonna have to fall off sooner or later.

I don’t think they will change either.

[AgadorSparticus]

74. This is where all the other newspapers need to have headlines that say:

Mueller needs to continue his job! Bulletproof Mueller! Removing Mueller is admitting guilt! Is the president GUILTY? PRESIDENT'S OVERREACTION ADMITS GUILT!

[Madam45for2923]

86. Mueller needs to continue his job!

BTW I quoted your OP about the Russian hacking here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029774408

[Adrahil]

75. An attempt at a slow motion destruction of the Rule of Law and the creation of one party rule. NT

[mshasta]

77. Well is an order from trump

When he ask for help on tweeter. "do something "

.....so they are doing something......deflect, invent, control the news

[louis-t]

81. Funny, they never give a reason WHY he should resign.

"Cuz he might FIND sumpin'!11!!1"

[DFW]

82. It means, seeing as how all the headlines are coordinated as to timing and content.....

Someone is in panic mode.

Whether or not their panic is justified is another matter, but there has been some major soiling of Republican underwear in the last 48 hours.