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Kablooie

(18,624 posts)
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:33 PM Oct 2017

I think the euphoria around here is a little too much too early.

And a let down is likely.

Tomorrow there may be arrests but they might not be anyone we know about.
They might even be kept secret, couldn't they?
I doubt Mueller will publicize them.

This is just the beginning and I too hope it will end in justice and elimination of a dangerous corruption of our government but I don't expect a lot of satisfaction from these first indictments.

I do hope the euphoria will be justified at some point soon, though.

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I think the euphoria around here is a little too much too early. (Original Post) Kablooie Oct 2017 OP
I'm not euphoric... blue cat Oct 2017 #1
Charlie Brown.. football... Dave Starsky Oct 2017 #11
I'm not euphoric, but I'm thinking of starting a journal of the legal process Kolesar Oct 2017 #22
NBC is reporting it will be made public FreeState Oct 2017 #2
"...without disclosing the name of the target or the nature of the charges." Garrett78 Oct 2017 #33
Right but it will be made public tomorrow n/t FreeState Oct 2017 #34
Wishful thinking, and a very nice wish at that.... Kleveland Oct 2017 #3
Could we pick a night True Dough Oct 2017 #27
A year ago we thought we had it in the bag. Look where we are today. jalan48 Oct 2017 #4
That's not how these investigations work. Indict underlings, pressure them to cooperate, emulatorloo Oct 2017 #7
I meant long term-not just tomorrow. I hope it happens and the underlings flip. jalan48 Oct 2017 #12
Understood emulatorloo Oct 2017 #13
It's definitely going to be an interesting week. I may eat the Halloween candy ahead of time. jalan48 Oct 2017 #18
Lol you and me both! emulatorloo Oct 2017 #19
Peanut butter cups rock! jalan48 Oct 2017 #21
On Maddow on Friday her guest said thats not how its done FreeState Oct 2017 #15
Thanks appreciate the info. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #16
Those expectating Trump or Kushner will be let down, as that's not how emulatorloo Oct 2017 #5
May be Manafort or Flynn or another Trump flying monkey CousinIT Oct 2017 #24
Lots of criminals to choose from! emulatorloo Oct 2017 #26
He's working the case.... Heartstrings Oct 2017 #6
Lighten up, Francis! PubliusEnigma Oct 2017 #8
Another down post...lost count. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #9
Trump and his toadies obviously think it's real & they're going to ridiculous lengths to counter it. Towlie Oct 2017 #10
Well said. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #14
R#8 & K for, yip, we've all been around the block UTUSN Oct 2017 #17
You have a point, but in my book RandomAccess Oct 2017 #20
I'll never forget Fitzmas... :-/ nt Lisa0825 Oct 2017 #23
There's no Jason Leopold figure this time, constantly claiming Rove will be indicted ASAP emulatorloo Oct 2017 #28
euphoria? IMO, Ds in general are naturally happy people, no matter what- "everything will be ok" Sunlei Oct 2017 #25
I'm Living my life like it's Golden! Sunlei Oct 2017 #29
I'll be euphoric when Bradshaw3 Oct 2017 #30
whatever it is, Trump's twitter meltdown shows it is getting to him Skittles Oct 2017 #31
One person's euphoria is another person's doom and gloom. Garrett78 Oct 2017 #32

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
11. Charlie Brown.. football...
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:49 PM
Oct 2017

You know how this works.

Been playing this game since Nixon was pardoned.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
22. I'm not euphoric, but I'm thinking of starting a journal of the legal process
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 10:03 PM
Oct 2017

...Trump, Manafort, Pence, Russia...

FreeState

(10,570 posts)
2. NBC is reporting it will be made public
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:37 PM
Oct 2017

“Mueller's Special Counsel's Office will make public an indictment on Monday, a U.S. official with firsthand knowledge of the process confirmed to NBC News, without disclosing the name of the target or the nature of the charges. The timing was confirmed by a second source familiar with the matter.”



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/grand-jury-approves-first-charges-mueller-s-russia-probe-report-n815246

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
33. "...without disclosing the name of the target or the nature of the charges."
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 12:21 AM
Oct 2017

Which puts us right where we currently are.

Kleveland

(1,257 posts)
3. Wishful thinking, and a very nice wish at that....
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:37 PM
Oct 2017

But you know what they say:

"Wish in one hand, shit in the other. See which one gets filled first."

When a person wants the impossible.

jalan48

(13,854 posts)
4. A year ago we thought we had it in the bag. Look where we are today.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:41 PM
Oct 2017

I'm hoping Mueller has something substantial that includes Trump and not just his underlings. After that it we will need some Republicans to side with the Democrats in taking down Trump. Lots of "ifs".

emulatorloo

(44,108 posts)
7. That's not how these investigations work. Indict underlings, pressure them to cooperate,
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:46 PM
Oct 2017

get evidence and testimony from them, use that to nail upper eschelon. Somebody reminded us that this is similar to taking down a drug cartel. Arrest the mules, make a deal, get them to finger the folks above. Rinse and repeat until you have enough to get the kingpin.

As someone else noted this is a marathon, not a sprint.

emulatorloo

(44,108 posts)
13. Understood
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:53 PM
Oct 2017

Trump and his syncophants have been hysterical, so they seem to think this is going somewhere big.

FreeState

(10,570 posts)
15. On Maddow on Friday her guest said thats not how its done
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:54 PM
Oct 2017

I’m sorry I can’t remember the guests name but Maddow asked her if he will use these inditements to pressure them and she said no, that don’t work that way. They use pre-indictment scare by informing them they will be indited.

She said these serve to scare those higher up the food chain, but that it’s not a tool to get them to talk at this point.

emulatorloo

(44,108 posts)
5. Those expectating Trump or Kushner will be let down, as that's not how
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:43 PM
Oct 2017

these investigations work. But I don't think too many DU'ers think that.

Source below says they will be made public, so that's good. Will be fun to see how Trump responds to that.

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
10. Trump and his toadies obviously think it's real & they're going to ridiculous lengths to counter it.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:49 PM
Oct 2017
 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
20. You have a point, but in my book
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 10:01 PM
Oct 2017

the fact that there will be ANY arrests is cause for a bit of euphoria.

I too think it may be lower level functionary(ies) arrested -- but who knows? I've seen far more experienced people than I predict KUSHNER, which would be like heaven.

Talking about this reminds me of this video I just have to post in case anyone missed it -- I've watched this a bunch of times. I think it's perfect, and I love it. The music is so poignant and the work done modifying the original video is incredible, IMO. AND, we all want exactly this, don't we?

emulatorloo

(44,108 posts)
28. There's no Jason Leopold figure this time, constantly claiming Rove will be indicted ASAP
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 10:18 PM
Oct 2017

Reporting is very very careful so far.





Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
25. euphoria? IMO, Ds in general are naturally happy people, no matter what- "everything will be ok"
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 10:09 PM
Oct 2017
Love and Happiness: An Obama Celebration

Published on Dec 27, 2016


Watch the final White House concert hosted by President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama: BET's Love and Happiness.


Bradshaw3

(7,505 posts)
30. I'll be euphoric when
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 10:36 PM
Oct 2017

drumpf is impeached and he and all of his slimy fellow travelers are in jail. Oh and when the Democrats take control of Congress and win the Presidency. Until then I think we've got choppy seas ahead, indictments notwithstanding.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
32. One person's euphoria is another person's doom and gloom.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 12:18 AM
Oct 2017

Link to earlier thread: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029765589

Just pointing out how different peoples' perspectives can be. Carry on...

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