If one is true to the concept of the Rule of Law, then one must have a remedy . . . .

[Stinky The Clown]

. . . . for a stolen election.

A basic premise of the Rule of Law is that every injury has a remedy.

So here are some questions:

Who has standing to bring suit?

To whom does one bring the suit?

What would be the basis for the suit?




And the biggest question:

What would be the remedy?

[unblock]

1. careful what you wish for.

do you really want to give the government the power to overrule the peoples' choice?

obviously, i understand the whole runner-up/electoral college problem, but that's something else.

more important is that if the government can determine that this election was stolen and overturn the results, then they can also use those same powers to "determine" that some perfectly legitimate election was "stolen" and overturn the results.

[Stinky The Clown]

2. I'm actually not wishing for anything

I'm curious.

Your notion makes perfect sense. But so does the opposite. Do we want clever outside parties to hack our elections until we close the door, and then the door after that, and the one after that . . . . .

It is, indeed, a constitutional crisis sort of question.

[unblock]

5. i think the best solution is open, transparent elections

non-hackable voting systems, full disclosure of donations (no corporate shell crap), etc.

personally, i think having a single election day is problematic. too easy to manipulate and capture a momentary swing instead of a real measure of what the people really want.

then prosecute electoral crimes (as hopefully mueller will be doing bigly). hopefully that will provide reasonable deterrence.

finally, f*** russia. sanctions and then some. they need to pay for messing with us. again, hopefully that will provide reasonable deterrence.

[Eliot Rosewater]

3. We are at the brink of total annihilation, drastic times call for drastic measures.

[unblock]

6. it's too late to save this last election. the question is what do we do about future elections.

[Stinky The Clown]

8. I disagree

Again, not wishing for anything, but a stolen election results in an illegitimate President AND Vice President. That has to have a remedy.

[sarisataka]

13. I must commend you

For not being mealy-mouthed. Many people hint and hem and haw about unprecedented action but very few are willing to come out and say what they actually mean, which is a popular overthrow of the government.

[unblock]

14. institutionally, we have a remedy. impeachment and removal.

it's unfortunate that the republican party is so corrupt that they likely wouldn't remove donnie for electoral crimes, and also unfortunate that they would engineer a republican replacement, rather than hillary or at least some other democrat.

but if i'm putting my "framers" cap on, i'm not sure i can come up with anything better that doesn't have potentially worse defects.


perhaps the real remedy would be some sort of no confidence or recall procedure, where the people can cut a president's term short. not sure what the requirements would be to trigger this.

a downside is that it would lead to constant campaigning, but then we pretty much have that at this point....

the worst of it is that a president could no longer risk doing the right thing for the country if it were temporarily unpopular. that said, forcing the president to properly sell it to the american people might not be a bad thing, most of the time anyway.

[sarisataka]

7. So what action do you recommend

In these drastic times to Stave off total annihilation?

[Eliot Rosewater]

9. New election, but it wont happen. No, when groups of people made their minds

up last year about this and that the fate of the nation was sealed for 40 or more years and if we are not careful everybody dies.

It was a simple choice, a powerful woman or maybe the end of the human race and MANY , not just trumpers, chose risking the end of the human race over a strong woman.

[sarisataka]

11. So we wait

For the next election...

Not very drastic

[Eliot Rosewater]

12. If we dont all die first. And the next election WILL be interfered with by the russians since

they are still doing it

[unblock]

15. that's the real concern. we're doing nothing to prevent a repeat.

some blue states are making electoral improvements, but that's really where the problem is.

we're very wrapped up in getting rid of donnie, but the next election and the next one will be at least as dubious.

in fact, the russians are likely to only get better at it.

[BigmanPigman]

4. There are no real precedents with this one.

However, it another country had this exact same thing happen to them (especially by Russia) I am sure our government would want them to have a do-over or award it to the real winner.