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global1

(25,242 posts)
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 10:49 PM Oct 2017

Papadopoulos Pled Guilty....

what did he plead guilty to? I heard that it was 'lying to Mueller'. What was his lie? And how by pleading guilty and cooperating with Mueller - has he turned that around - and what is his truthful story to Mueller now?

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Papadopoulos Pled Guilty.... (Original Post) global1 Oct 2017 OP
Contacts with Russia greeny2323 Oct 2017 #1
He pled guilty ... NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #2
His truthful story is marylandblue Oct 2017 #3
He plead that the FBI that he communicated with a professor re Hillary emails in April Not Ruth Oct 2017 #4
Thats not accurate at all. You should read the charges: Nevernose Oct 2017 #6
My point is that is does not matter what he plead to, that is not what he did Not Ruth Oct 2017 #7
Theres an allocution Nevernose Oct 2017 #8
Not in this context, no jberryhill Oct 2017 #9
Webster will be ver disappointed without Mr Papadopolous around. Lucky Luciano Oct 2017 #5
 

greeny2323

(590 posts)
1. Contacts with Russia
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 10:52 PM
Oct 2017

He lied to the FBI about his contacts with Russian officials. He was covering up collusion with Russia, the central theme of the investigation.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
3. His truthful story is
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 10:56 PM
Oct 2017

Who his Russian contacts were, who in the Trump administration knew what he was doing, and perhaps most damning of all, he apparently has been wearing a wire for the last three months.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
4. He plead that the FBI that he communicated with a professor re Hillary emails in April
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 11:04 PM
Oct 2017

It was actually March. We have no idea what he really did. The idea of a plea is you plea to a lesser charge. He might have killed an FBI agent and then plead to this April/March email charge to beat the murder charge, for instance.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
6. Thats not accurate at all. You should read the charges:
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 11:19 PM
Oct 2017
https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/politics/george-papadopoulos-charges-and-plea-deal/2253/

The timing is, indeed, mentioned. It’s not a “March/April” thing. That’s a mischaracterization. He lied about when the contact was by claiming to have made contacts with the Russian government BEFORE he was with the Trump campaign. It was before, during, and after.

He told the FBI it was some friendly email banter, hellos, maybe some anti-Hillary bullshitting. Instead, it was introductions to the FSB and Russian government, searching for a quid pro quo to hurt Hillary and help Trump. Not a conspiracy theory anymore: the guy admitted it in court.

(“Putin’s niece” sounds like such an obvious honeypot it’s painful anyone could fall for it. This guy would have donated to free the imprisoned King of Nigeria)
 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
7. My point is that is does not matter what he plead to, that is not what he did
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 11:46 PM
Oct 2017

Like when the nice trooper gives you a ticket for not signaling a lane change, when you were really doing 95mph. You gladly lie and plead guilty to that lane change to avoid doing time.

He plead to a base offense level 6, which is very basic. With little or no criminal history, the sentencing guideline is 0-6 months. By taking the plea, he should be looking at the 0 month option.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
8. Theres an allocution
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 12:14 AM
Oct 2017

Go past the first page and the pro forma plea agreement, and the details of the government’s case are laid out. We know EXACTLY what he did. The link I gave you contains a ten page description of every detail of the crime. What he was charged with is wholly irellevant.

I’m sure there are additional charges they could have added, and probably crimes they left out entirely. They also don’t mention how they got their accurate information (warrants, taps, emails, etc.).

But the offense is way more than “he told the FBI he talked to the Russians in April and it was actually March.”

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