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hlthe2b

(102,234 posts)
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 04:48 PM Oct 2017

Doctors prepare for microscopic study of Las Vegas shooter's brain

As we face another mass casualty event--still with no motive established for the last, I thought I'd see if anyone was reporting "progress" on the Las Vegas investigation. This is probably a longshot, but at least the examination is being done

Doctors prepare for microscopic study of Las Vegas shooter's brain
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Stephen Paddock's brain is being sent to Stanford University for a months-long examination after a visual inspection during an autopsy found no abnormalities, Las Vegas authorities said.

Doctors will perform multiple forensic analyses, including an exam of the 64-year-old's brain tissue to find any possible neurological problems.

The brain will arrive in California soon, and Stanford has been instructed to spare no expense for the work, The New York Times reported. It will be further dissected to determine if Paddock suffered from health problems such as strokes, blood vessel diseases, tumors, some types of epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, degenerative disorders, physical trauma and infections.
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If a disease is found, experts say it would be false science to conclude it caused or perhaps even contributed to the massacre, even if that explanation would ease the minds of investigators and the world at large.

more:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-las-vegas-shooter-brain-autopsy-20171029-story.html
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Doctors prepare for microscopic study of Las Vegas shooter's brain (Original Post) hlthe2b Oct 2017 OP
How about just plain old maniac? The_Casual_Observer Oct 2017 #1
Plain Old Maniac With NRA Approved Access To MANY Guns nt SoCalMusicLover Oct 2017 #7
So it takes a microscope to see that crazy people exist... lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #2
No one is more determined than I that we need to deal with our gun policy insanity hlthe2b Oct 2017 #4
I'm thinking there might be some societal roots. Dave Starsky Oct 2017 #3
Y'know, genetics or medical problems aside...Narcissism tends to be a learned trait. haele Oct 2017 #5
Does this mean the phrenologists are done with his skull? JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2017 #6
You are comparing one of the world's preeminant neuropathologists to a phrenologist? Really? hlthe2b Oct 2017 #10
I was going to be upset by your snark, but... ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #11
I would suggest sending in deceased Trump supporter brains as well... doodsaq Oct 2017 #8
A lot of comparisons are being made BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #9
I doubt his brain was *that* small unblock Oct 2017 #12
Who gives a SHIT Corvo Bianco Oct 2017 #13
You didn't have to post in this thread, you know. I posted it for those who might be interested hlthe2b Oct 2017 #14
I'm sorry. I was not intending to direct my outrage at you. I'm outraged with the daily death toll. Corvo Bianco Oct 2017 #15
Thanks for replying. I could not agree more on the need to address our insane gun society. n/t hlthe2b Oct 2017 #16
You know, from what his gf reported, I started to think... Laffy Kat Oct 2017 #17

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
2. So it takes a microscope to see that crazy people exist...
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 04:50 PM
Oct 2017

...and rather than keep machine guns out of their hands, we'll slice up thier brains AFTER they commit mass murder?

So effed up.

hlthe2b

(102,234 posts)
4. No one is more determined than I that we need to deal with our gun policy insanity
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 04:58 PM
Oct 2017

Still, I do think it important to investigate as fully as possible which includes excluding any physical issues that might have motivated this heinous act.

Guns ought certainly to be the focus, but given they aren't disappearing overnight, we owe it to those who perished to do everything possible to see if there may be "predictors" that might prevent the next horrific act.

haele

(12,649 posts)
5. Y'know, genetics or medical problems aside...Narcissism tends to be a learned trait.
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 05:00 PM
Oct 2017

From what people who knew him said, there wasn't anything suddenly different about him that might have lead to him deciding he could just hunt humans to make some sort of statement - this was a long time in the making.

He might have had some mental issues, probably not something that would show up in an autopsy; since his dad apparently had schizophrenia, he might have been along the spectrum.

But I'm not inclined to think he had some physiological trigger; I'm thinking he was just crazy-mean full of himself, thinking the world owed him something and setting out to punish it when he couldn't get whatever it was he wanted. Medication may have kept him from breaking windows and shooting at crowds with modifications to make his weapons automatic, but he would have had to wanted to get help in the first place.

Haele

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,339 posts)
6. Does this mean the phrenologists are done with his skull?
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 05:07 PM
Oct 2017

Whatever they discover, any conclusion about motive will still be mostly guesswork.

Well, good luck, anyway.

hlthe2b

(102,234 posts)
10. You are comparing one of the world's preeminant neuropathologists to a phrenologist? Really?
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 05:12 PM
Oct 2017

Even if an abnormality is found that will NOT be considered CAUSAL and I have no doubt Stanford would never suggest otherwise.

Yet, would you likewise suggest all those neuropathologists studying CTE among NFL and other athletes are engaged in quackery as well?

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
11. I was going to be upset by your snark, but...
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 05:14 PM
Oct 2017

I realized that any "scientific" exploration is just evading the simple fact that we MUST revise gun control. That does not take a microscope to figure out.

BigmanPigman

(51,585 posts)
9. A lot of comparisons are being made
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 05:11 PM
Oct 2017

between The Texas Tower Shooter 1966 and this case. There was a very good article about how the two had similarities and differences. It raises a lot of good points. Worth the read.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/opinions/texas-nevada-parallels-opinion-lavergne/index.html

Corvo Bianco

(1,148 posts)
13. Who gives a SHIT
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 05:19 PM
Oct 2017

We're going to extrapolate half-cocked theories from this guy's dead brain tissue rather than you know,
taking the GUNS AWAY?

hlthe2b

(102,234 posts)
14. You didn't have to post in this thread, you know. I posted it for those who might be interested
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 06:00 PM
Oct 2017

I find your response to me beyond rude.

Corvo Bianco

(1,148 posts)
15. I'm sorry. I was not intending to direct my outrage at you. I'm outraged with the daily death toll.
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 06:23 PM
Oct 2017

I don't understand why we can't work out gun control. Attempts to look into motive and neural pathways are certainly enlightening, but they seem to me to be a slap in the face to Americans who will be shot today and tomorrow and the next day and the next.... because we can't pass common sense gun control.

I'm glad you posted this because I like to know what's going on. I also have an opinion on the matter. It's nothing personal and I'm sorry if it came off that way.

Laffy Kat

(16,377 posts)
17. You know, from what his gf reported, I started to think...
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 06:50 PM
Oct 2017

There might be a more organic cause at contributing to his behavior. Glad they're looking into it. The more we know the better. Of course, this could have been avoided all together with tougher gun laws.

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