Impeachment articles to be filed before Thanksgiving

[struggle4progress]

... Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Illinois, told the Chicago Tribune the group is currently meeting with constitutional scholars to solidify the case against the Republican president. He did not specify what the charges against Trump would be.

"I assure you we will not leave you lacking for reason," Gutierrez said ...

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/impeachment_articles_to_be_fil.html

[bluepen]

1. Already been done at least once. I know he is promising

a more coordinated effort this time, but I doubt it’ll go anywhere.

Like Pelosi and Schumer, I’ll wait for the Mueller report. Let’s get it right.

[Wwcd]

2. Wish we didn't have to wait another 3 weeks.

Its a toss up whether it will be a success & he will be gone.
Trust Mueller to present the world with facts that leave no other recourse but trump's removal.

[FakeNoose]

15. Yes Mueller & his team will get the job done

In my mind he's like Eliot Ness and the Untouchables.

[Honeycombe8]

17. It's too early, IMO, for Dems to file impeachment papers. Might mess things up

and make the Dems seem too eager to file on the basis of a small amt of evidence (remember, there isn't much connecting Trump directly to Russian conspiracy; it takes a lot or a sure fire thing).

[still_one]

3. That is exactly what needs to happen, wait for te full Mueller report. Absolutely nothing will

result from this under republican control of House, but when the Mueller report is complete, that is when it becomes real if it is going to happen, because it will provide the evidence for impeachment.

The republican House investigation of the Russian links was a sham, the Mueller investigation is independent

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

7. Patience is a virtue. I'm willing to wait, so long as Mueller doesn't take an unreasonably long time

to complete his criminal investigation and report.

[RhodeIslandOne]

8. I agree

I only hope he can finish the investigation before Trump destroys the world.

[Chasstev365]

4. Good for you guys! KEEP DOING IT!

[L. Coyote]

5. Excellent news. Meanwhile, his polls are about to drop like a rock.

[smirkymonkey]

12. Great T-shirt!

Where can we buy them?

[Kirk Lover]

6. Even though I of course believe there is more than enough reason to impeach this very

moment I think it should not be attempted at this time. This needs to play out. Mueller and his million dollar mean dream team ain't no slouches...they got this. Dem's should slow this roll.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

9. Hope you're right in stating that Mueller and his "dream team" has got this.

[moriah]

13. Only because we need Pence solidly implicated too.

If nothing else, we need proof he chose NOT to know about certain things. If there's a pattern that can prove our VP knew hanky-panky of a more than sexual kind was happening and did nothing to stop it, that should be our first priority to identify.

If they'd just impeached Nixon, we'd have had Agnew. We need at the very least proof our modern-day Agnew is deliberately choosing to "see no evil" and to use the leverage from all of this to get someone who doesn't watch the Handmaid's Tale on Hulu for inspiration installed as VP first.

[Kaleva]

20. Agnew had already been replaced by Ford by the time things got hot for Nixon

[moriah]

21. I know. I'm worried this is actually the Religious Right's master plan.

I don't see how so many people claiming to be evangelicals would vote for Trump unless they were counting on him getting impeached.

And then Pence can appoint any VP and get them in with an up/down vote.

[Honeycombe8]

18. +1. I hope the leadership can convince them not to do it at this time. nt

[Generic Brad]

10. Sadly it doesn't matter

Until there are Republicans leading it, it's not happening. Those Russian lemmings only follow their donors and handlers bidding. They do not lead.

[TomSlick]

11. I know that I'm swimming against the current but its too soon.

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This bullet can be fired only once. There is no reason to file an impeachment resolution in the House so long as it would have no chance.

I'm as eager as anyone to see Trump impeached but - please - give Mueller more time to flip more of the Trump minions. As fast as things are moving, the question for me is whether there is an impeachment vote before or after the 2018 election. If the Repugnants think Trump is going to be a drag on their reelection prospects, they will throw him over. Failing that, a Democratic controlled House can proceed after the 2018 election.

The correct order is Ready, Aim, Fire. We're still in the Ready phase.

[BBG]

14. Hold on Slick

There ain’t no double jeopardy on filing impeachment that I ever heard of. Impeach early, often and for all time, practice makes perfect.

[TomSlick]

16. Yes, thank you. I know that double jeopardy only applies to criminal cases.

I'm not talking about double jeopardy or any other legal restraint.

As a political matter, the public will not tolerate multiple attempts at impeachment. Impeachment is a grave matter that must be addressed gravely. If we mean it, we need to act like we mean it.

No prosecutor would file a criminal case until s/he knew the case could be proven. An impeachment is not a criminal case but it would be equally foolish to file articles of impeachment until the ducks are not all marching in a single column.

Ready - then - Aim - and only then - Fire.

[Amishman]

23. This, do it too soon and fail and the second attempt will have far less momentum

We need hard proof from Mueller on Trump himself first. Anything short of Trump's own hand caught in the cookie jar won't do, as successful impeachment will take a significant number of crossover Pubs.

[BBG]

24. Not enough ducks?

File articles of impeachment and find out where the ducks line up. That’s the political thing to do and use any opposition to impeachment in the congressional midterms. Impeaching a popular President like Clinton was a bad move on the republicans. Doing so to an unpopular jackass would be a good move on our part. And the right thing to do to boot.

[Honeycombe8]

19. +1 nt

[bearssoapbox]

22. It probably won't go far

But if the reTHUGliCONS can vote 60+ times to repeal the ACA, then the Dems can file this every few weeks until Trumplethinskin is gone.

Anything to bother and aggravate PINO45 and his crime cabal.

Keep 'em nervous enough to let them know that he/they aren't forgotten.

Treat him with the same respect that President Obama was treated.

They brought up impeachment for President Obama every time he did something they didn't like?

So to hell with the bastards.

Joke 'em if they can't take a fuck.