Morning Jerk made an actually good point: Britain's view of our TWITLER prob vs BREXIT:

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That our problem is ONE MAN WHO WILL EVENTUALLY BE GONE, but their BREXIT thing is a large scale systemic problem not so easy.

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1. Except that the manure whence the orange fungus sprang remains

Sorry, but trading 4 to 8 years of hillary for any length of time of Donnie in the Oval Office does irretrievable damage to America.

I see their point, but I think they figure once Donnie's gone everything goes back to normal.

That's very wrong.

And it also discounts where we could be with a highly capable woman at the top.

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3. Yea, "everything back to normal" ain't happening, not with our tangled system. We need PARLIAMENT!1

Our whole 18th Century system is a ball of being tied up in knots, the supposedly wonderful "checks and balances."

We've got a system where it takes two years of non-stop campaigning/propaganda out of every four, now fueled by oligarchical CASH.

The early Church in the 4th Century rejected 4 years' terms of popes because it would mean PERPETUAL CAMPAIGNING.

The parliament system takes a couple or three months for an election, besides RESPONDING to a turnover time based on a loss of confidence in the government. Here, we're stuck with some rotten a-hole for four years at the minimum.

We've got a rigid four or eight years of BEING STUCK (don't forget the two years of campaigning), while, say, Mexico has a single six-year term (not PERPETUAL campaigning, at least).

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4. as jefferson said, any system eventually gets corrupted.

corporations and party got too powerful for our democratic institutions to contain.

honestly i think changing terms or switching to a parliamentary system is just rearranging the deck chairs.

we need the problem is too much corrupting money in politics and the media.

we need to solve those problems in order to get any real improvement.


massive public funding of campaigns and reinstatement of the fairness doctrine, for instance. that would be a good start.

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6. The conservatives are coming after the courts.

It doesn't matter who gets put in office. All that matters is that they get those icky activist judges who allow baby killing and make things worse for Jay-sus. That's what they're after and it's going to get ugly.

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2. Of course Brexit could still be undone if they really wanted to.

The damage done by the incompetent boobs will last quite a long time, especially the damage to international relations. And even if Republicans actually discovered their backbones and booted his ass, we would still have the worthless Pence.

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5. Stopping Brexit is potentially easier than stopping Trump but unlikely.

If a someone like Tony Blair or Lord Heseltine or another strident pro-European figure returned to the stage and were elected Prime Minister on an unambiguous platform of stopping Brexit, I think all could be forgiven by the EU.

However May or Corbyn trying to walk back Brexit means Brexit would never be embraced.

But I don't think that is going to happen, I think the UK is going to disastrously "crash out" of the EU and Merkel and Macron are going to make it as expensive, painful and humiliating as possible and after some period of time they will impose harsh terms (Euro, Schengen and restitution for Brexit related costs) on a weakened UK for re-entry.

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7. Blair is as popular as a rash, and Heseltine isn't influential. There

Are few ways forward on this, but both require the end of May. Either she is forced out by a Europhile Tory, of whom there are few if any with the gravitas to do it, or she forces a referendum which would mean the certain end of her political career anyway.

The Tories are like the Republicans in the US, both allowed a small radical rump call the shots. The consequences for both I believe, will be catastrophic for them or their countries.