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spooky3

(34,439 posts)
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 10:57 PM Nov 2017

John Kelly is getting the full Lawrence O'Donnell takedown treatment!

LOD is calling him out beautifully on his dishonesty, his sexist and racist attacks on the Congresswoman and racist respect for Robert E. Lee.

I'm going to have to look for this posted on the MSNBC website later.

On edit

Here it is on MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/lawrence-john-kelly-has-lost-the-benefit-of-the-doubt-1086729795608

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John Kelly is getting the full Lawrence O'Donnell takedown treatment! (Original Post) spooky3 Nov 2017 OP
It was brilliant. highplainsdem Nov 2017 #1
I will have to catch it later. sheshe2 Nov 2017 #2
Will have to see it. Kelly is a POS. BootinUp Nov 2017 #3
John Kelly Is A F**king Racist! LovingA2andMI Nov 2017 #4
The "General".... SergeStorms Nov 2017 #5
That was great. And its good to remind ourselves klook Nov 2017 #6
It was a beautiful, artful, fact-filled rant. Duppers Nov 2017 #7
You can send them the video link -- see the OP. highplainsdem Nov 2017 #13
They'd see Lawrence and click off. Duppers Nov 2017 #17
Oh, okay. I think MSNBC usually has transcripts available in about a day. Will watch for that, highplainsdem Nov 2017 #18
Here's the link to find transcripts for The Last Word. Looks like it might takee 2 days to show up. highplainsdem Nov 2017 #19
Thanks! Duppers Nov 2017 #20
Found that Nov. 1 rant Duppers Nov 2017 #23
Repeats at 10:00 pm pacific. oasis Nov 2017 #8
When it became clear that his statement was in error or misremembered Grammy23 Nov 2017 #9
+1 well said Flaleftist Nov 2017 #10
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2017 #14
It's a GOP sin against St. Ronnie to apologize for anything. KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2017 #16
Kelly the Blue Falcon Still In Wisconsin Nov 2017 #11
Kelly Is A Pig Running Interference For The Creep SeattlePop Nov 2017 #12
Kelly is an alt-right liar KT2000 Nov 2017 #15
Lawrence O'D was excellent as usual....so glad he renewed with MSNBC. iluvtennis Nov 2017 #21
Lawrence: John Kelly Has Lost The Benefit Of The Doubt The Last Word MSNBC Gothmog Nov 2017 #22

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
4. John Kelly Is A F**king Racist!
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 11:09 PM
Nov 2017

We have been saying this since his "attack" on Congresswoman Wilson and will NOT take it back one bit. Lawrence did a WONDERFUL job saying what we have said since two weeks ago. We thank him. No Doubt!

SergeStorms

(19,193 posts)
5. The "General"....
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 11:28 PM
Nov 2017

certainly deserves every word of it. He proved how much integrity he has. None. A perfect fit for the Trump mis-administration.

klook

(12,154 posts)
6. That was great. And its good to remind ourselves
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 11:33 PM
Nov 2017

— and our right-wing relatives and friends — that the “honorable” Robert E. Lee was responsible for the deaths of more American soldiers than any other foe, before or since.

Kelly is a turd through and through, and a perfect fit for Trump. Any thought that he would be a “moderating” influence on Herr Drumpf is now obviously ludicrous.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
7. It was a beautiful, artful, fact-filled rant.
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 11:34 PM
Nov 2017

When it's found in print, please, someone, post it. I want to send it to some southern fence-sitters.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
17. They'd see Lawrence and click off.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 01:25 AM
Nov 2017

Thanks, I saw that linked but I must send this great rant in written/print form and not attributed to any well-known liberal, that's the trick. Otherwise, these yahoo, brainwashed, good-ole boys will just be dismissive.






highplainsdem

(48,968 posts)
18. Oh, okay. I think MSNBC usually has transcripts available in about a day. Will watch for that,
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 01:29 AM
Nov 2017

post it here.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
23. Found that Nov. 1 rant
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:06 PM
Nov 2017

Here's the nugget I loved:

"O’DONNELL: John Kelly the amateur historian is full of poisonous
falsehoods about American history that he shares with the most ignorant
president in history. John Kelly doesn’t want to apply the standards of
today to Robert E. Lee. Okay, let’s not.

How about the standards of Robert
E. Lee’s sister who sided with the north in the civil war and whose son
joined the union army?

How about the standards of Robert E. Lee’s nephew who joined the union
army, how about the standards of the 40 percent of the Virginia’s officers
who remained in the service of the union army? John Kelly dishonors all of
them who got it right. Morally right in order to declare the most
murderous traitor in American history to be an honorable man. Robert E.
Lee owned slaves, beat slaves and sold individual members of slave families
to different buyers.

Robert E. Lee did every vile thing that the worst slave owners did at that
time when honorable and decent people knew that it was evil. No one in
American history has been more guilty of treason than Robert E. Lee. In an
1865 editorial “The New York Times” said he has levied war against the
United States more strenuously than any other man in the land and thereby
has been guilty of the crime of treason as defined in the constitution of
the United States.

And three days later Robert E. Lee was indicted for treason. But generals
as we are especially generous to generals and General Ulysses S. Grant
interceded with President Andrew Johnson to get the treason case against
Robert E. Lee dropped. And now retired General John Kelly tries to tell us
that Robert E. Lee was an honorable man. Robert E. Lee is responsible for
the deaths of more American soldiers than all the of the enemies the United
States has ever faced in war combined, including Hitler.

Robert E. Lee killed more American soldiers than Hitler did. And now both
Robert E. Lee and Hitler are champions, champions to the White Supremacists
and anti-Semites who marched in Charlottesville chanting Jews will not
replace us and were declared publicly by John Kelly’s boss to include, some
good people. And so how do you give the benefit of the doubt to a man who
grew up in a racist time and place and who never found the public way that
we know of to take a stand against the racism of his neighborhood and of
his culture.

And who now tells us that a racist slave owner who committed treason in
order to kill more American soldiers than anyone in history is an honorable
man? And he did all that killing to preserve slavery. How do you give the
benefit of the doubt to a man who says that we had the civil war because of
a failure to compromise and refuses to explain what his compromise over
slavery would have been and who has been flagrantly demonstrating his own
personal failure for two full weeks to apologize to a black woman that he
has so willfully and deliberately dehumanized and lied about.

John Kelly has not said a single word in the last two weeks to earn the
benefit of that doubt. We might have to thank John Kelly some day for
preventing a mad man from starting a nuclear war in the middle of the
night, but he deserves nothing but dishonor for his public conduct in the
last two weeks."

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
9. When it became clear that his statement was in error or misremembered
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 11:37 PM
Nov 2017

Or whatever excuse you want to use, he should have been man enough to step back up to the microphone and apologize. No ifs, ands or buts. Just straight up do the right thing. But he has not done that and says he will not.

Any bits of integrity he had left are in shreds. I don’t care how many stars he has, no one should say the vile things he said and refuse to apologize. He proved himself to be a very small man with that decision. In my opinion, he is no better than tRump and when trump’s ship goes down, I hope Kelly goes with him. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and that we needed him to help contain tRump. All of that evaporated in the wind when he revealed himself to be racist, mysoginistic and just vile as a human being.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
16. It's a GOP sin against St. Ronnie to apologize for anything.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 12:57 AM
Nov 2017

Everyone should stop calling him general.

Johnny will do. It rhymes with Ronnie.

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