It appears Donna B fucked up bigly. Aug 2015 agreement says nothing she claims.

[boston bean]

In short there were two agreements. One before she clinched in Aug 2015 which makes no references to controlling the party. And one in June 2016, after she clinched, when she became the head of the party.

She has confused them. Purposeful or not. I leave that for you to decide for yourself.

Follow here:

Link to tweet

Here is a draft of the 2015 agreement hacked from podestas emails by wikileaks.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/fileid/28674/7815

[leftofcool]

1. The damage has been done

She knew exactly what she was doing.

[boston bean]

2. That is certainly a valid opinion.

[GeneMcM]

94. damge done in spades. AND it would be prudent to assume Brazille is now working for the GOP

1. they've been after her for years; she's a veteran strategist and could be a huge asset for their black voter problem. She has strong ties to the GOP world through her long friendship with Mary Matalin (GOP strategist).
2. The Dem party like it or not is in shambles about now. no power anywhere, just regional useless showboats like Sanders working to ensure the few rising stars in California and NJ are hooked by the far left before they get out of the gate that we lose elections in must-wins like the current VA Gov. (I Promise not to go into another rant about how the far left 'progressives' destroyed the party and we let them by continuing to grovel and appease them long past the point we should have shut the door) So what does a veteran strategist living on the high hog do?
3. The timing was surreal. Not only blew up the headlines at a critical time and gave the GOP ammo to do everything from fire Sessions to wave in front of the spoiler left for 2018 (whenceforth they will permanaently redistrict Dems to oblivion). There are no coincidences in politics like this. Someone who worked the DNC and 3 presidential campaigns doesn't not know what the agreement documents cover. And that heart broken sob story was just nauseating.

[NurseJackie]

4. I share your view.

[Tarheel_Dem]

9. +1

[R B Garr]

19. Yes, it was a purposeful manipulation.

Certain audiences only want their bias confirmation and don’t care about facts.

[L. Coyote]

23. As if anyone is really paying attention!

Maybe Donald Trump is watching something about it on Fox.

Firm in Mueller indictment got RNC funds for work on Trump campaign

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article181706066.html

[Ken Burch]

27. Donna was one of HRC's earliest supporters...why would she want to do damage?

n/t.

[onetexan]

48. Cha ching- the more juicy a book the more it sells

[emulatorloo]

51. Because Clinton's done (no money forthcoming) and Donna needs to reinvent herself for future work

w Bernie 20/20 or similar hires. She's pushed back hard on fake "rigged" meme in the past. However embracing it now Is a good marketing move for her.

God forbid she becomes unemployable in the US like Tad Devine did by backing Kerry. I don't want to see her reduced to working for Putin puppets like Device had too. I wish her the best. Doesn't mean I believe her new spin though.

[Ken Burch]

86. If Bernie DID run-I don't think he actually wants to-he's probably staying in "campaign mode"-

because he sees that as the best way to keep his supporters together to fight for what they all support-I seriously doubt he'd take the risk of bringing in someone who's big HRC "reveal" might not be a reveal at all.

It's telling that the guy didn't do anything public with this at the time Brazile called him. Might be a sign that he's not a wrecker after all, or that he's willing to be at least something of a team player.

[emulatorloo]

88. Talking about the motivation of book spin. Not whether her reinvention will be successful or not

Should read "possible motivation" but can't make that fit in header. I guess I have really thought about Bernie in all this, my focus has been on Donna. Bernie's a good guy..

[Ken Burch]

89. Ok. I think we could say this.

She may be angling for that...It's not happening.

[VermontKevin]

72. Yes, she did.

[GeneMcM]

93. With 35 years of working with the DNC and managing campaigns she knew what she was doing. no acciden

[highplainsdem]

3. If that Twitter thread is correct then Brazile, Warren et al owe Hillary Clinton a huge apology.

[leftofcool]

6. That will never happen.

Have you ever known anyone to apologize to Hillary for a lie they told about her?

[Hekate]

17. They sure do, but no one ever will

Hillary Clinton: a pinata for way too many people in this country

[KY_EnviroGuy]

22. And, outside our country.

[lunamagica]

25. Actually, she's admired outside this country

[KY_EnviroGuy]

36. Yes, but I was thinking Russia.

Sorry, I should have been more precise. She didn't exactly jet around the globe making enemies!

[lunamagica]

38. Oh, OK. I get it now

[highplainsdem]

5. Whether or not Brazile intentionally confused the agreements, if she DID confuse them, the

publisher should pull the book.

[ProudLib72]

21. Oh, I HIGHLY support this

It won't happen of course. But I wish that book would never see the light of day.

[Me.]

7. Shameful...She

[betsuni]

8. K&R

[NastyRiffraff]

11. Not the devil...

just your garden-variety liar.

[democratisphere]

12. You don't make mistakes like this. Was it done purposefully?

Democrats need to stop stabbing each other in the back. This behavior is f'ing rediculus.

[procon]

13. Doesn't say much for the factchecking efforts from the author or the publisher. nt

[Spiranthes]

14. I hope someone will,post the signed agreement. That will put Braziles claim down.

The draft agreement looks very air tight and highly ethical.

[TexasTowelie]

15. Talking points.

I noticed that this thread does not include responses from certain individuals. Could it be an intermission break?

[Wwcd]

16. K & R

Did she proofread this book?
Who wrote it ? Edited it?
Gostwriter?

Thanks for posting this

[R B Garr]

18. WHOA, there it is. Ive been wondering why she didnt discuss

actual language from the agreements instead of parroting some emotional subtext (because it’s bul****t!).

Great find, Boston! This little brouhaha couldn’t hold water.

[renegade000]

20. Is this mirrored somewhere other than wikileaks?

For obvious reasons, I'm a bit concerned about downloading docs from there...

[R B Garr]

24. LOL, JPR is going to have a Sad. Eight of 10 threads

from the top were about their new Hero Donna, now a great solid D —

[betsuni]

52. She's gone from being Donna the Debate Rigger to Madonna of the Hillary-Rigged Election.

[R B Garr]

67. "MaDonna" -- that's perfect!

It's amazing how Trump and that crowd think alike... Now Jeff Weaver is on MSNBC bashing the Democrats again, implying that the timing of the debates were such a yuuuge "issue", instead of admitting he needed the debates to get the name recognition he never would have had. ETC., just a rehash of the tired whines that lost in the primary.

[DURHAM D]

26. Contact information for the DNC here -

https://www.democrats.org/organization/the-democratic-national-committee

Demand Donna's removal from office.

[virtualobserver]

28. You are all going to look foolish on this one

Think about it.

[emulatorloo]

30. You're projecting

You're too susceptible to false memes about DNC "rigging". Our primary candidate Bernie Sanders said he lost the primary fair and square. You've bought into nonsense Putin and Trump promoted to manipulate gullible Bernie or Busters.

[virtualobserver]

31. I'll lay it out for you

Hillary's campaign signed an agreement in August 2015


This nonsense that some are saying that Donna Brazile deliberately lied about the content of that agreement.

Hillary's campaign has the actual document that was signed.....they show it to the press.....BOOM....Brazile is toast, and so is her book. Ridiculous.


or

Donna Brazile is an incompetent fool and mixed up the two agreements. Highly doubtful.

[emulatorloo]

33. Bernie signed an agreement with DNC as well,which Brazile pretended in her book except didn't exist.

I think Donna is justified in lying about this as a career move to get future gigs.

Doesn't mean her spin is true tho

[virtualobserver]

35. Because the agreement was of no use to Bernie

Bernie's donors gave $27 dollars a pop. Very few people maxed out to Bernie.

Hillary had donors who donated Hundreds of thousands of dollars to the 32 states, the DNC and 99.5 percent of the money came back to Hillary.

[emulatorloo]

39. That was Bernie's prerogative. I don't question Bernie, just Brazile's sudden conversion from

pushing back hard on the Putin promoted false meme of 'rigging' and 'bias' to promoting it. Actually no, I understand Brazile's about face as she needs to to make a living as a political consultant.

I expect her current embracing false "rigged" meme is a marketing decision she made and more power to her.

[virtualobserver]

40. You are pretty cynical for a former Bernie supporter

[emulatorloo]

42. You're not the first person to try to smear me because I don't buy anti-Democratic talking points

Doubt you'll be the last either. I always support the candidate furtherest to the left in the primaries and was thrilled when Bernie decided to run. That doesn't mean I lost my senses and can't recognize anti-Democratic propaganda when I see it.

[virtualobserver]

43. I'm not trying to smear you.....but you talk about Donna as if she would put a job over principle...

That is not complimentary.

[emulatorloo]

44. I'm realistic about the consultant class. They're hired guns.

I like Donna and I want her to succeed. Doesn't mean I can't view her realistically or understand her strategy to reinvent herself w her new spin in this book.

[Demsrule86]

56. That is exactly what she did. And this little fiasco shows her true character.

What a disappointment. I always liked her.

[fleabiscuit]

49. Dont know where you get that but there is documented alternate reality...

https://storify.com/ahumorlessfem/the-hillary-victory-fund

[betsuni]

53. Thank you for posting that!

[Rincewind]

54. IBM, Boeing, Intel and Lockheed-Martin

only gave $27 each? Who knew.

[KitSileya]

55. No it didn't.

It was clearly earmarked the DNC and the state parties. Only, for a long time they couldn't release the money because BS refused to concede. Only the nominee could release it, so as long as BS refused to see reality, state parties were screwed. Money they needed very sorely in April, when it was clear BS couldn't win, was locked away from being used. Let's not forget that if BS had won, as the nominee he would have had a say in how the money Hillary raised was used.

So no, you're lying when you say 99.5% went back to Hillary. Instead, what happened is that she tried to save the whole shebang by loaning money, and when the *other* money was released, it was used to repay those loans.

[yardwork]

57. We have no idea where Bernie's campaign funding came from.

And since he refuses to release his tax returns, we have no idea where his personal wealth comes from.

[Not Ruth]

59. I thought that Bernies campaign funding came from donations

Every week he announced more donations

[yardwork]

61. I'm sure that he got lots of small donations. And big donations.

[melman]

68. Why not just say it?

It's clear what you're hinting at.

[R B Garr]

70. What are you talking about. There was no "hinting".

It was a request for tax returns and a statement that we don't know where all his campaign funding really came from. Every candidate has to answer for that per the FEC, so no need to make Bernie an exception.

[melman]

71. Of course there was

Read the whole thread.

[R B Garr]

73. Then you point it out since you are actually the one "hinting." There is no

"hinting" in noting that FEC discrepancies have not been addressed and taxes have not been released.

[melman]

78. Nope

No need for me to do that.

[MrsCoffee]

74. So you don't think Bernie should be transparent about his funding and his taxes?

No one needs to read the whole thread to understand the cognitive dissonance on display.

[melman]

79. Ha

Right. Whatever you say.

[MrsCoffee]

80. That's what I thought.

[melman]

82. Thought what?

That I'd find your attempt to bait me laughable? Then I guess you were right.

[MrsCoffee]

83. That your fauxrage was a little too faux.

[R B Garr]

34. Sorry, but reality never goes out of style.

Propaganda is not real.

[virtualobserver]

37. So you believe that Donna Brazile would be either that stupid or that incompetent?

Hillary's campaign signed an agreement in August 2015


This nonsense that some are saying that Donna Brazile deliberately lied about the content of that agreement.

Hillary's campaign has the actual document that was signed.....they show it to the press.....BOOM....Brazile is toast, and so is her book. Ridiculous.


or

Donna Brazile is an incompetent fool and mixed up the two agreements. Highly doubtful.

[R B Garr]

46. Actually, this makes more sense that she morphed the

two agreements, casually misremembering aspects of each one, if you consider her target audience(s). They think alike about demonizing Clinton and would not question anything as long as it meets their set of ideas and as Jake Tapper called them today when questioning Warren, “notions”.

Her recollections seemed too exaggerated for effect, IOW, it wasn’t believable that those demands could or would be committed to writing. Reading the actual document, it’s obvious where and how she got her “notions”.

[virtualobserver]

47. Well, we will probably find out tomorrow

[MrsCoffee]

76. Right. Wait for the Friday talking points.

She fucked up. Big time. She is getting hammered on social media about it. She either comes clean or her career is over. Who in the fuck would ever want her as a consultant after this? Only someone interested in getting back stabbed and losing.

[fleabiscuit]

50. Thats being kind. nt

[Not Ruth]

63. Is what she is doing considered gaslighting?

[Hortensis]

84. Yes. She's writing for those wanting to be fooled.

Usual technique. And the right-wing scoundrels are leaping right in to help her out. Which has to be expected by her, and let's once again note the timing of this. Exactly when the GOP needs it.
Any funding to promote this stuff will come from the right, and from Russia of course.

[boston bean]

90. Who is looking foolish???

[virtualobserver]

92. I read the 2015 agreement, and Donna Brazile was correct

So I can tell you who ISN'T looking foolish. Donna Brazile.

[boston bean]

95. Ph wow!! Haahhahahahah

[emulatorloo]

29. As I've said way too many times, Donna needed to reinvent herself for a new market

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She's pushed back against the false "rigged" meme quite a bit in prior articles.

However she needs to think about getting hired in the future on Bernie 2020 gigs or similar. Clinton's not running again so that money well is dry. I have sympathy for her as political consultant world is tough. I don't blame her for going trying to ingratiate herself w the Berniesphere that vilified her for "leaking" a question about Flint that any idiot knew would be asked.

So yeah this makes sense as a career move for a hired gun political operative. Last thing I wanna see is Donna unable to get work in the US just because she supported a losing candidate in the GE. Look at poor Tad Devine, found it impossible to get hired after Kerry lost. I do not want to see Donna forced to go to the Ukraine and have to work with Manafort types to prop up Putin puppets.

[yardwork]

58. Maybe she already did. There's an election very soon in Virginia.

[joshcryer]

75. Yep, she's banking on that "Democratic Party overhaul" that isn't happening.

Sander's next opponent is not going to be as nice as Clinton was to him. He will go down in fire, unfortunately.

[lunamagica]

41. I hope her book is a failure

[MaryMagdaline]

45. Please don't tell me

Hillary will have to defend herself with a document document leaked by Wikileaks. On second thought ...

[Hortensis]

60. America's drowning in liars and dishonorable people in politics,

who think if they lie often and loud enough they'll be believed -- because it's been working.

But it's dreadfully wrong and destructive, and it's going to destroy us if we don't stop it.

So good riddance to this woman and all others of poor character. She destroyed her career by dishonorable behavior and she's now trying to resuscitate it by joining another team that seems to be drawing this type and doubling down on it.

Speaking of Russians (yes, I know ) and other manipulators through disinformation, when I just googled Tulsi Gabbard (what on earth made me think of her?), I found a flood of stories about how she and Bernie Sanders are going to rule the left in 2020.

Seemingly the Democratic Party electorate is just going to take the election off or something.

Lies, lies, floods of lies.

[Madam45for2923]

62. Something weird going on with Google.

[yardwork]

64. You might even say that Bernie and Tulsi are being anointed.

That's such an Eastern Orthodox word. I've always thought so.

[Hortensis]

66. Yes, they ARE being anointed. But BY WHOM? Sanders doesn't have

the money to do this in a down period between elections when most people aren't paying attention at all. At least, he's revealed no huge new donations.

Part of it, of course, is a media vacuum for the party out of power and their insatiable need for sensationalism. When all they have to talk about is the grim, inch-by-inch trench warfare of a minority party, they have to womp up something more "controversial" to talk about.

But regular media are not a fraction as interested in filling column inches with Sanders' doings, at a time when few will read, as what's flooding the internet suggests.

I smell the immense investments of wannabe American kleptocrats, Murdoch of course, and Russia's cold-warring. Investments in destroying the Democratic Party's chances of regaining power and using it to cancel their uber-ambitious plottings.

[joshcryer]

77. I sense you are correct.

And they're using social media to manipulate this thing into existence. I mean, they were damn effective at literally electing a goddamn meme president. It's incredible.

[yardwork]

98. That's exactly what I think is happening.

[melman]

69. 'Eastern Orthodox '

How clever.

[yardwork]

96. Not very. They should have used a less obvious word.

[melman]

97. So tell me

Why won't you just say it? Why not stop hinting and just say it.

[yardwork]

99. Lol. Say what? That the Russians smeared Hillary?

Are you just now hearing this?

[melman]

100. No that's not it

You know the thing I mean. You hint at it constantly but won't say it. Why is that?

[OnDoutside]

81. Roland Martin is up next on Velshi & Ruhle, to break this down....

[ismnotwasm]

85. She is confusing the crap out of me

Now She tweeted this this morning

Link to tweet

[yardwork]

101. Too late, Donna.

[ecstatic]

87. Was she duped by Russian disinformation? nt