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applegrove

(118,622 posts)
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 02:50 AM Nov 2017

Just heard Grover Norquest claim that the US experienced only 2%

growth under Obama because of higher taxes. CNN No. GOP would not allow Obama infrastructure spending or anything Keynesian because they were worried about the deficit. That is why growth did not come back quicker after the Republican sub prime mortgage crisis. Why is the GOP no longer worried about the deficit with their tax cuts?

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Just heard Grover Norquest claim that the US experienced only 2% (Original Post) applegrove Nov 2017 OP
Because they all have accounts in places more secure than Cyprus... pbmus Nov 2017 #1
I wouldn't believe Grover Norquist if his tongue came notarized n/t emulatorloo Nov 2017 #2
It's never been about deficits, it's always been about the elimination of the "great society". AJT Nov 2017 #3
Yep. nocalflea Nov 2017 #4
And the eradication of The New Deal. no_hypocrisy Nov 2017 #5
And Aside From The Points Made... ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #6
Grover is lying by ignoring higher inflation with Bush Cicada Nov 2017 #7
I overstated illegal gdp by a factor of ten Cicada Nov 2017 #8
The GOPee isn't really worried about deficits.... lastlib Nov 2017 #9

AJT

(5,240 posts)
3. It's never been about deficits, it's always been about the elimination of the "great society".
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 03:17 AM
Nov 2017

Nothing left of the federal government but the military and the court system.

ProfessorGAC

(64,998 posts)
6. And Aside From The Points Made...
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 06:32 AM
Nov 2017

...by others on this thread, the 2% is also a flat out lie! Provably false by any possible review of the metrics!

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
7. Grover is lying by ignoring higher inflation with Bush
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 06:34 AM
Nov 2017

Adjusting for inflation, using figures for real growth rather than including imaginary inflation, Clinton, who raised taxes a lot in 1994, had average annual gdp growth of 3.8%. Bush after huge tax cut had just slightly over 2%. Obama had about 1.5% but he inherited a raging recession. If you take away the first 18 months of recession he inherited then Obama is similar to Bush. Taxes probably have only a trivial impact. Economists predicted a slowdown after Clinton because the work force is shrinking. The baby boomers are retiring. That is why growth after Clinton has slowed. Also Obama deported 5 million illegals. Only some were replaced. Five million illegals certainly produce more than 1.5 trillion dollars per year, maybe more than 2 trillion. Maybe 75% was replaced but still that is a measurable loss. Bush and Obama had lower growth because of a smaller workforce.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
8. I overstated illegal gdp by a factor of ten
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 06:38 AM
Nov 2017

So fewer illegals cost maybe 100 billion, maybe a quarter of one percent net.

lastlib

(23,216 posts)
9. The GOPee isn't really worried about deficits....
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 06:52 AM
Nov 2017

They're only a weapon to bludgeon Dems with when then they get in the way of making the rich richer.

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