Brazile book excerpt may describe Joint Financing Agreement *after* primary was won

[ehrnst]

In the absence of the signed, dated August 2015 agreement that Brazile claimed to find, this is the most likely scenario.

I submit Brazile’s excerpt about Clinton campaign control over the DNC is very likely in reference to an updated 2016 agreement entered after Clinton won the primary election. All signs are that the 2015 agreement had no provisions that gave the Clinton campaign unusual control over the DNC, and this is supported by supposed document leaks from last year.

News articles in August 2015 reported on the HFA JFA
https://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/dnc-democratic-committee-hillary-clinton-fundraising-agreement-2016-121813
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/27/clinton-campaign-signs-joint-fundraising-agreement-with-dnc/?utm_term=.bb7fa6bb2ffa

*No reference to provisions by which the Clinton campaign had control over DNC messaging or staffing*

The Bernie campaign signed a JFA in November 2015
https://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-2016-fundraising-dnc-215559
At various points described as the same or similar

The chief purpose of the agreements is to facilitate personal donations to the greater cause of the campaign in excess of limits on donation to a single entity through a loophole the Supreme Court opened in McCutcheon vs FEC striking down aggregate donation limits. Portions of funds must be segregated and reserved for the general campaign, whoever is the winner

This basic pattern disadvantaged Sanders over Clinton to the extent his campaign had far fewer large donors to take advantage of the arrangement

Starting in April 2016, the Sanders campaign loudly complained about the financing provisions of the HFA JFA. It did fundraise from small donors with this line
https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/sanders-clinton-dnc-campaign-finance-laws-222102
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/sanders-accuses-dnc-clinton-campaign-illegal-scheme
https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Bernie-2016-Letter-to-DNC-1.pdf
https://berniesanders.com/press-release/clinton-dnc-joint-fundraising-raises-serious-campaign-finance-concerns/


More complaints about the fundraising in May 2016
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/clinton-fundraising-leaves-little-for-state-parties-222670
https://berniesanders.com/press-release/politico-exposes-clinton-campaign-money-laundering-scheme/

I have not found that any actual violation was ever sustained. Our campaign finance laws are terrible after the Supreme Court gutted controls

Later in the year, a purported dump of John Podesta’s emails includes an unexecuted JFA with no language about control

Link to tweet

Clinton delegate count guarantees victory by June 7, 2016, widely reported

On Jun 9, CNN reports talks on a new JFA to start using funds for the general

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign-dnc/index.html

“Hillary Clinton, in an effort to entirely turn her focus to the general election, will begin raising money for the general election and Democratic National Convention on Wednesday by filing paperwork on a new joint fundraising agreement with the Democratic Party, according to a spokesman.”

On Jun 16, CNN reports HFA has taken control of party
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign-dnc/index.html
”Hillary Clinton's campaign is taking the reins of the Democratic National Committee, installing a new top official on Thursday to oversee the party's day-to-day operations through the general election…."

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/2/1712064/-Chasing-links-Brazile-book-excerpt-may-describe-Joint-Financing-Agreement-after-primary-was-won

[OnDoutside]

1. IF she's wrong, I hope they hammer the crap out of her reputation, for the damage she would

have done to the Democratic Party.

[ehrnst]

3. The debunking of the Comey letter didn't convince a lot of people

supposedly progressives, that HRC wasn't under the threat of indictment.

This is red meat for those who are annoyed by Hillary, and they will hang onto it as confirmation bias, even if it turns out to be completely erroneous.

[OnDoutside]

4. So true, though if this story is bull, the DNC need to jump all over it ASAP.

[ehrnst]

7. Probably need to do it in a way that doesn't make some people

very disappointed, who will turn around and get even madder at the DNC for not groveling and apologizing to other candidates anyway.

[OnDoutside]

12. You're never going to make everyone happy (clearly !), but if this is false, they need to get the

truth out there immediately.

[ehrnst]

22. I think that the financial officer she talked to, Gary Gensler

needs to clarify their conversation as well.

She states that he "said the party is under full control of the campaign," but that conversation happened after HRC was the nominee, and did as all nominees do once they are confirmed. She spins it as though he meant that it had been since 2015.

[R B Garr]

17. There is already an outrage machine against Tom Perez who wasn't even there

at the time. They don't care about facts, it's all about what supports the anti-establishment narrative that has propelled Bernie.

This is excellent-- bookmarked for more comments later. Thanks. It's hard to imagine the legalese that would have gone into giving Clinton the kind of control that Donna alleges was committed to writing via some document. It looked like some mishmash she was serving up.

[ehrnst]

41. Here's the memo

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/memo-reveals-details-hillary-clinton-dnc-deal-n817411

[OnDoutside]

42. Thanks, so Brazile conflated the two agreements.

[StevieM]

39. Exactly. People have been given the tool they need to believe something bad happened.

And it won't matter that the facts contradict this claim.

[OnDoutside]

2. And here's a gratuitous kicking from the Orange One

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Thanks Donna ! For nuttin'

[ehrnst]

5. Our Revolution is also milking it for every penny.

Quick - before the fact checking starts...

Not that it will make much difference to their email list.

[RockaFowler]

9. I saw that as well

I wanted off their mailing list after getting the last letter from Nina Turner

[sheshe2]

18. Seems, some are giving Dotard his talking points.

This is not a good thing. I wish people ie Brazile would be more careful with their words. Also, for gawd sakes people the PRIMARIES ARE OVER. This is all about 2018 first and foremost and then 2020. The GOP and Russia are praying we lose both, please do not fall into the trap and sow division where their is none.

Come together and get the hell out to vote. Our lives depend on it.

[ehrnst]

20. All of the sudden, Brazile is DT's most trusted source after vilifying her during the campaign.

Donald J. Trump
October 20, 2016 ·
DNC Chair Donna Brazile is SO corrupt! SAD. She's just another arm of Crooked Hillary's RIGGED system -- coordinating with convicted criminals and paying people to start violence at my rallies! The system is UNBELIEVABLY RIGGED and believe me, as President, I will END the corruption and once again, your government will be by, for and of the people! #DrainTheSwamp #RIGGED

[treestar]

50. The reaction of the Orange Toxin

should make it obvious to everyone just how this stuff works. Why do people let it work on them?

[FarPoint]

6. Donna Brazile.....

She is " No One"...

[EffieBlack]

8. Too late

All anyone will remember is the original “Hillary and DNC rigged the primaries” version.

[ehrnst]

13. It would be very awkward for her publisher if she doesn't produce the document

that she read with the date. Because people are starting to point out that there were two agreements, and the one she calls the "cancer" sounds like the updated one that was signed in June 2016, after Clinton cinched the nomination, and before Brazile came on in July...

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/2/1712064/-Chasing-links-Brazile-book-excerpt-may-describe-Joint-Financing-Agreement-after-primary-was-won

[uponit7771]

10. Yeap, I wouldn't doubt it at all

[NurseJackie]

14. Good information here. A lot to digest, but...

... it's easy to see what's going on here.

Thanks for this post! You rock!!

[ehrnst]

19. The biggest implication is her own words...

Brazile indicates she didn't even know about the agreement signed in June, which clarfies why DWS wasn't in more control when she came on in July 2016.

Debbie was not a good manager. She hadn’t been very interested in controlling the party—she let Clinton’s headquarters in Brooklyn do as it desired so she didn’t have to inform the party officers how bad the situation was. How much control Brooklyn had and for how long was still something I had been trying to uncover for the last few weeks.

If she had read the new agreement, or maybe she could have brought herself to watch CNN, she would have discovered that it started June 9:

“Hillary Clinton, in an effort to entirely turn her focus to the general election, will begin raising money for the general election and Democratic National Convention on Wednesday by filing paperwork on a new joint fundraising agreement with the Democratic Party, according to a spokesman.”

And on June 13 - Politico described exactly what Brazile was "trying to get to the bottom of."

Hillary Clinton's campaign is taking the reins of the Democratic National Committee, installing a new top official on Thursday to oversee the party's day-to-day operations through the general election.

Brandon Davis, national political director for the Service Employees International Union, will become the general election chief of staff for the Democratic Party. His selection formalizes the coordination of the Clinton campaign and the committee, a stark contrast to Donald Trump who is currently at odds with his party.

Wasserman Schultz welcomed Mook and Davis to party headquarters on Thursday morning. While she will remain in her position as the party's chairwoman, at least through the convention next month in Philadelphia, her role diminishes with the Clinton campaign's takeover of the committee.

The appointment of Davis is intended to allay some of the concerns about party leadership. It is a standard transition, as Clinton becomes the presumptive Democratic nominee.

"This is in fact what happens," Howard Dean, former Democratic Party chairman, told CNN. "Debbie will still have the title, but somebody else will be the effective operator of the DNC. It's Hillary's pick."

In an interview on Thursday, Dean recalled how he transitioned immediately to simply raising money and campaigning for Barack Obama in 2008 after Paul Tewes, a trusted Obama aide, stepped in to lead the committee.
"We basically just turned it over to him and I left the building to him. He ran the DNC," Dean said. "It was very clear I wasn't going to be running the DNC as soon as there was the a nominee."

I suppose we will need to wait for confirmation from HRC, Gary Gensler and Tom Perez concerning Brazile's claims, but her own breathless writing seems to indicate that she didn't have a handle on what was and wasn't going on in terms of who was supposed to be running the DNC and when.

[loyalsister]

15. This is the real problem that should have been the focus

States were starved with the focus on the presidency at all costs. We barely lost winnable races here in MO. 3 blue executive branch offices went red, and Jason Kander barely lost. That happened all down ticket, too.

Hillary Clinton should have been left out of the title. The hysterical defensiveness is directing attention away from the damage done by ignoring some states.

[Snotcicles]

21. +1

[Me.]

16. She Needs To Leave The DNC

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[dalton99a]

24. +1

[seaglass]

23. Something is wrong with her thinking, clearly. Now, no rigging.

Link to tweet

[SunSeeker]

25. K & R & bookmarked!

[The Polack MSgt]

26. Kick... NT

[virtualobserver]

27. so easy for either the DNC or Hillary to release the signed agreement.....

so easy for them to debunk this if Donna Brazile was lying....

Her book is released in 4 days.......

[Madam45for2923]

29. Yep it is ALWAYS UP TO HRC EH!??? She must do this or that! She must get in the MUD!

virtualobserver
27. so easy for either the DNC or Hillary to release the signed agreement.....
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so easy for them to debunk this if Donna Brazile was lying....

Her book is released in 4 days.......

[virtualobserver]

32. Truth isn't mud

Critics of Donna Brazile would have you believe that she is either an idiot or a liar. Why would the former head of the DNC and former campaign manager for Al Gore suddenly have no credibility from Democrats on this site?

[Madam45for2923]

45. Well, now!

[emulatorloo]

52. Lol

[Madam45for2923]

30. DONNAB: Trump looks 4 a daily excuse 2 distract from his job. No, d primary system wasnt rigged!

Trump looks for a daily excuse to distract from his job. No, the primary system wasn’t rigged! States control primary ballots.

Link to tweet

[Madam45for2923]

28. So whoever continues this erroneous "rigging" narrative is choosing 2 gaslight & support kooky CTs

just to sabotage us.

[aikoaiko]

31. Its really hard to believe that DB confused the docs and her editor and politico didn't fact check.

But it is possible.

I hope the DNC produces the documents because the truth will help set us free.

[comradebillyboy]

33. If she's not confused it appears that she is a liar.

[virtualobserver]

34. incredibly unlikely

If it wasn't true, they would produce the documents.

[ehrnst]

36. We shall see. (nt)

[ehrnst]

37. Well, look. They produced the document.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/memo-reveals-details-hillary-clinton-dnc-deal-n817411

[pnwmom]

38. They did produce the documents. NBC got them. n/t

[ehrnst]

35. I'm sure that they are convening now to see who will make a statement

I'm betting that they are doing better fact checking than Brazile..

Her own words tell us she was unaware that HRC's campaign had taken over once she had the confirmed number of bound delegates to secure the nomination in June 2016, just as Obama had done in 2008. Brazile talks about how after she came on in July how she tried for weeks "to get to the bottom of why everything had to be cleared through Brooklyn..."

She herself makes the case that she didn't know about that second, updated JFA that HRC signed in June, let alone the roles that the campaign then played...

Makes sense that when she found the 2016 update, she thought it was the one that candidates had signed in 2015.

[joshcryer]

40. Looking very likely. I expect a revision to this thing before it gets released.

Hey, Brazile got the requisite pre-sales she needed. A lot of people aren't going to refund their pre-sales.

[ehrnst]

48. And she's far more likely to get a job now

At Our Revolution, likely one of the few places she has a shot at one.

She's not going to get a job in media or campaigns.

[Gothmog]

43. K&R

[KitSileya]

44. Good job on the fact check.

Seriously, that we get this attack right now is completely unbelievable. It is becoming clearer and clearer that there's something seriously wrong in American politics, and the only ones who saw through all this bullshit were Hillary supporters. We need to sideline anyone who didn't support Hillary, so that they cannot shoot us in the back while we try to fight Trump.

[brer cat]

46. Thank you, ehrnst.

K&R

[Jamaal510]

47. K&R

[treestar]

49. K&R

What obvious ratfucking.

[yardwork]

51. Brazile is being used to create chaos among Democrats.

It's obvious to me that Donna Brazile is not well, either cognitively or emotionally. I don't know what is going on with her personally, but I hope that she gets the help she needs.

In the meantime, it's become obvious that Brazile is being used by people who want to create chaos among Democrats. There are obvious lies in her book - it's not clear to me if Brazile herself understands that these are lies, or she's simply very confused - that are being used to promote the meme that the DNC is in chaos.

All this the weekend before an important election.

[ehrnst]

53. I am reminded of Norma McCorvey. (nt)