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Robert S. Mueller 1969 (Original Post) Cattledog Nov 2017 OP
Wouldn't want to be on that guy's shit list. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #1
I didn't realize he was there the same time as my dad. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2017 #2
That guy was a true Bad Ass. Would not cross him! GulfCoast66 Nov 2017 #3
And we're supposed to believe this guy is the liar... mreilly Nov 2017 #4
he's a liar working for clinton/obama 'deep state' because we let 1500 radio stations certainot Nov 2017 #62
Love the "No Bone Spurs" Comment Stallion Nov 2017 #5
+1 n/t GallopingGhost Nov 2017 #42
I don't think Mueller is skeered of anything Trump can do, but clearly Trump is procon Nov 2017 #6
Now Trumpf knows how the country feels. nt SusanaMontana41 Nov 2017 #33
I'm a bit resistant to deify Mueller at this point, at least not yet, but one thing is certain... Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2017 #7
I had the same thought... HopeAgain Nov 2017 #10
Trump is no conservative IronLionZion Nov 2017 #11
Whatever his political leanings he's putting his country first. SusanaMontana41 Nov 2017 #34
Exactly. Boomerproud Nov 2017 #35
I know, I want to be a believer. mountain grammy Nov 2017 #64
Mueller does strike me as a principle over party guy. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2017 #71
I hope so mountain grammy Nov 2017 #72
pssst Donald! Lookie here who's coming! PearliePoo2 Nov 2017 #8
However, conspicuous in its absence Bob Loblaw Nov 2017 #15
Get real! maddiemom Nov 2017 #79
Yup... USMC combat vet, Bronze Star, Purple Heart, 2x Navy Commendation Medals... Still In Wisconsin Nov 2017 #9
Heres trump volstork Nov 2017 #12
Lol grantcart Nov 2017 #13
Pic here BumRushDaShow Nov 2017 #21
A google search indicates that DT, in college, played baseball and football... SwissTony Nov 2017 #36
With enough $$ BumRushDaShow Nov 2017 #37
Them bone spurs flared up the exact nanosecond the college deferment thing ran out Brother Buzz Nov 2017 #63
That guy on the left central scrutinizer Nov 2017 #38
LOL BumRushDaShow Nov 2017 #39
Reminds me of a certain former president: sandensea Nov 2017 #43
Amazing, they let him hold the ball. L. Coyote Nov 2017 #53
That one on the right... BumRushDaShow Nov 2017 #67
Robert Mueller, 1962 mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2017 #14
Very cool. nt SunSeeker Nov 2017 #17
Awesome! Is this lacross or rugby? FakeNoose Nov 2017 #19
Lacrosse... BumRushDaShow Nov 2017 #22
Those are some old school wooden sticks. mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2017 #23
My high school BumRushDaShow Nov 2017 #24
Hmmm. I know of a high school where the girls are still started out on wooden sticks. mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2017 #25
My Cousin got his PhD form Baylor on a Badminton scholarship . Jim Beard Nov 2017 #56
Cool. BumRushDaShow Nov 2017 #68
I'm sorry, but I just can't help myself. EarnestPutz Nov 2017 #41
Even considering this was a prep school, they have to be proud of these alumni karynnj Nov 2017 #58
K & R SunSeeker Nov 2017 #16
Love the replies, like this one: SunSeeker Nov 2017 #18
Damn it! My Make America Cats Again app failed here. Glimmer of Hope Nov 2017 #20
I just threw up a little in my mouth! FM123 Nov 2017 #26
bone spurs need rest Motley13 Nov 2017 #27
Just volstork Nov 2017 #32
such a pretty boy Angry Dragon Nov 2017 #52
Best not fuck with this guy, Republicans. (nt) Paladin Nov 2017 #28
Great post, great thread with historical peacebuzzard Nov 2017 #29
k&r DesertRat Nov 2017 #30
Thanks for pics of Mueller at school and in VN bobbieinok Nov 2017 #31
Cheeto, around the same time: sandensea Nov 2017 #40
The "Heartbreak of Bone Spurs" Stallion Nov 2017 #46
To say nothing of his "personal Vietnam" sandensea Nov 2017 #48
Trump desperately wanted to be there, but his bone spurs prevented him from going. Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #44
But If Not for Those Nasty Bone Spurs .... DoctorJoJo Nov 2017 #45
He was the Perfect Toy Soldier Stallion Nov 2017 #47
Trump will be going to VN soon. keithbvadu2 Nov 2017 #75
I would not want to mess with him Lifelong Protester Nov 2017 #49
Sir, how do you like you coffee? leanforward Nov 2017 #50
I am Very proud to have served in Phu Bai at the same time as pbmus Nov 2017 #51
Glad you (and Mueller) made it back, pbmus. SunSeeker Nov 2017 #65
I guess that would be the OTHER way to get a Purple Heart. TrollBuster9090 Nov 2017 #54
Everything I can find on the Google Machine TomSlick Nov 2017 #57
Yes, like GeoWilliams said below, I found the same image in an article about the 25th Infantry TrollBuster9090 Nov 2017 #59
Not entirely sure whether this is Robert Meuller or not GeoWilliam750 Nov 2017 #55
I had the same question Sam McGee Nov 2017 #60
I noted that too. leanforward Nov 2017 #61
USMC used the single stripe for a PFC sarge43 Nov 2017 #69
Yep, that's the 25th Infantry Div patch... malthaussen Nov 2017 #73
So Nobody here is worried that he will be fooled by people like Trump and Carter Page ? JI7 Nov 2017 #66
Those big league losers? Not a chance. Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #74
I'd want him to have my back Norbert Nov 2017 #70
Mueller's a bad ass DashOneBravo Nov 2017 #76
3rd Marine Division shanti Nov 2017 #77
And hes STILL serving his country honorably. calimary Nov 2017 #78
 

mreilly

(2,120 posts)
4. And we're supposed to believe this guy is the liar...
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 02:36 PM
Nov 2017

... while draft-dodging bone spur Donny, who was playing golf and screwing women while Bob Mueller was in Vietnam (even if you don't agree with that war as I do not you must respect his courage and commitment), who has been named in literally thousands of lawsuits, who is ranked the worst liar in politics by multiple independent fact-checking sites, who has cheated on his wives, plowed through numerous marriages, ignored business commitments, abandoned pledges and promises like used toilet paper, and contradicted himself on numerous occasions...

is the one telling the truth?

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
62. he's a liar working for clinton/obama 'deep state' because we let 1500 radio stations
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 11:57 PM
Nov 2017

say so every day to 50 mil a week

that's what limbaugh has been saying and the other 300 pukes on 1500 radio stations are saying the same and after 30 years of them taking free pot shots at good americans doing good the dems/liberals/left continue to ignore republican hate radio with a passion.

we even let 88 major universities support 257 limbaugh stations!

procon

(15,805 posts)
6. I don't think Mueller is skeered of anything Trump can do, but clearly Trump is
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 02:57 PM
Nov 2017

terrified of what Mueller is doing.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,173 posts)
7. I'm a bit resistant to deify Mueller at this point, at least not yet, but one thing is certain...
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 02:58 PM
Nov 2017

....the dude does seem sufficiently bad ass.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
10. I had the same thought...
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 03:57 PM
Nov 2017

Lots of people have disappointed us before. Most on here assume he has made it his specific mission to bring down the President. I don't know that to be true, he may be focused on other things. This guy undoubtedly has conservative in political leanings, which may still affect his approach. I will withhold judgment until we see more.

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
11. Trump is no conservative
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 04:05 PM
Nov 2017

Mueller is, but is well respected by both parties and has a long record of impartial justice.

Boomerproud

(7,951 posts)
35. Exactly.
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 06:34 PM
Nov 2017

The process and final outcome aren't even close. I have no idea what is going to happen in future, and cannot stand to have my hopes dashed again.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
64. I know, I want to be a believer.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 12:15 AM
Nov 2017

But Kelly was a Marine General and, as it turns out, full racist, religious nut. I don't see it in Mueller, but he's a repub.. I'm nervous.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,173 posts)
71. Mueller does strike me as a principle over party guy.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 08:52 AM
Nov 2017

We’ll see.

Right now we have no choice but to trust him.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
72. I hope so
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 09:12 AM
Nov 2017

but the so called principled repubs confirmed DeVos, Sessions, Pruitt, Price, Perry, Carson, and even Tillerson and McMasters. Who have I left out, oh yeah Gorsuch, not to mention some of the other judges being confirmed.. No such thing as principle over party with this bunch. Of course, Mueller doesn't have to answer to the batshit base, but still a repub. But, you're right, we have no choice but to trust him.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
8. pssst Donald! Lookie here who's coming!
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 03:12 PM
Nov 2017

Mueller's military decorations and awards include:
Bronze Star Medal with Combat "V", Purple Heart Medal, two Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medals with Combat "V", Combat Action Ribbon, National Defense Service Medal, Vietnam Service Medal with three  3⁄16" bronze stars, Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross, Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal, and Parachutist Badge.



K&R

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
79. Get real!
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:11 PM
Nov 2017

I've heard Mueller was actually on Kerry's swift boat. Waiting for those guys from 2004 for to show up again, now that these pictures are out.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
9. Yup... USMC combat vet, Bronze Star, Purple Heart, 2x Navy Commendation Medals...
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 03:49 PM
Nov 2017

I don't think he's scared of Donald J. Bonespurs or BLUE FALCON Kelly.

SwissTony

(2,560 posts)
36. A google search indicates that DT, in college, played baseball and football...
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 07:07 PM
Nov 2017

with a bit of soccer thrown in. Apparently, he could also bowl and play basketball.

Were those bone spurs sudden onset?

Brother Buzz

(36,416 posts)
63. Them bone spurs flared up the exact nanosecond the college deferment thing ran out
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 12:09 AM
Nov 2017

Incredible coincidence, no?

central scrutinizer

(11,648 posts)
38. That guy on the left
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 07:31 PM
Nov 2017

Reminds me of an old joke. A minister meets one of his parishioners walking down the street holding a loaf of bread in one hand and his other hand in his pocket. Minister, “I see you have the staff of life in one hand. What’s that in your other hand?” “A loaf of bread.”

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,393 posts)
14. Robert Mueller, 1962
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 04:32 PM
Nov 2017

He's in the front row, number 32. Sitting behind him, number 23? That's John Kerry.



1962 St. Paul's School including future Senator John Kerry #23.

There's an enlargement at the end of this article:

The Trad in Washington

FakeNoose

(32,633 posts)
19. Awesome! Is this lacross or rugby?
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 04:57 PM
Nov 2017

Looks like he was tough even as a kid. Don't mess with Bobby Three Sticks!

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,393 posts)
23. Those are some old school wooden sticks.
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 05:06 PM
Nov 2017

You can still get them, but they fell out of favor around 1970, when plastic heads on aluminum shafts started showing up.

BumRushDaShow

(128,844 posts)
24. My high school
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 05:15 PM
Nov 2017

(all girls) had a lacrosse team and I think they may have still had the wooden sticks (this was mid-'70s). I played badminton with cork and feathers shuttlecocks. Better not have been in my way when I did a backhand smash.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,393 posts)
25. Hmmm. I know of a high school where the girls are still started out on wooden sticks.
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 05:26 PM
Nov 2017

They can change to the "new" sticks later on. Quite a successful team too.

BumRushDaShow

(128,844 posts)
68. Cool.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 06:58 AM
Nov 2017

Didn't realize they had scholarships for that but why not? I played all 4 years in high school (2 years junior varsity doubles, 2 years varsity doubles).

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
58. Even considering this was a prep school, they have to be proud of these alumni
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 11:00 PM
Nov 2017

Though politically on different sides, they share a seriousness, conscientiousness, and thoroughness in their efforts.

peacebuzzard

(5,167 posts)
29. Great post, great thread with historical
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 05:56 PM
Nov 2017

Images, archival quality. Thanks for this, amigos, after all the creepy crappy shit thrown at us everyday with this WH cabal it’s nice to see real heroes and people who can possibly change our world right now.

Kingofalldems

(38,451 posts)
44. Trump desperately wanted to be there, but his bone spurs prevented him from going.
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 07:49 PM
Nov 2017

He begged his doctors but they said no.

 

DoctorJoJo

(1,134 posts)
45. But If Not for Those Nasty Bone Spurs ....
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 08:02 PM
Nov 2017

... he would have been the best soldier, the bravest soldier, probably have won the Medal of Honor--in his warped mind! My brother served two tours of combat in Vietnam, he would have been 72 today!

JoJo

leanforward

(1,076 posts)
50. Sir, how do you like you coffee?
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 08:33 PM
Nov 2017

We'll never know the kind of BS this man has encountered.

Now with regards to the photo preceeding my comment, "no comment" concerning the pRezident russian in the white house.

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
51. I am Very proud to have served in Phu Bai at the same time as
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 08:50 PM
Nov 2017

Robert S. Mueller....the 3rd Marine Division lost 6869 men during their time in Vietnam.

My hats off to those who gave the ultimate sacrifice. :

Rest assured that every cave, rabbit hole, bush, dumpster, garbage pit, will be thoroughly explored, looked into and examined until the truth is found. And the guilty are known...it will be up to our judicial system, representatives and law enforcement to decide who will do the perp walk...

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
54. I guess that would be the OTHER way to get a Purple Heart.
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 10:06 PM
Nov 2017
"I always wanted a Purple Heart..."




And, do my eyes deceive me? Is Mueller a PFC? I thought he graduated from Princeton before going to Vietnam, and assumed he'd have been an officer. If he graduated from Princeton, and then served as a regular grunt by choice, that's amazingly impressive.

TomSlick

(11,097 posts)
57. Everything I can find on the Google Machine
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 10:41 PM
Nov 2017

says he served as a Marine officer in Vietnam. I don't find a source of a commission. Might this be a pre-OCS photo?

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
59. Yes, like GeoWilliams said below, I found the same image in an article about the 25th Infantry
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 11:17 PM
Nov 2017

25th Infantry Division in Vietnam in 1968. So, I don't know if it's Mueller or not. *shrug*

GeoWilliam750

(2,522 posts)
55. Not entirely sure whether this is Robert Meuller or not
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 10:31 PM
Nov 2017

Found this image on Pinterest with a much different - and very specific - provenance.

Vietnam, 1967 - 1968, 25th Infantry Division, 9th Regiment, 4th BN, C Company. Taken after an all night operation and sweep of a village on Easter Morning. Ed Episcopo. A $12 Kodak Instamatic cartridge camera was used for all photos. Photos were scanned and restored with Nikon's Capture NX2 software.

Photo by Ed Episcopo on flickr

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/156218680803715610/

Also, although the photo quality is low, it also appears (could just be shadow) that this man has a single stripe, but Robert Mueller was an officer. What about the unit insignia on his shoulder? Can anyone identify it?

 

Sam McGee

(347 posts)
60. I had the same question
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 11:25 PM
Nov 2017

The guy pictured in the photo identified as Mueller is wearing a single stripe on his sleeve, indicating he is an Army private. There may be a rocker under the stripe indicating a Private First Class. Mueller was a USMC platoon leader . . . a 2nd Lieutenant.

From Wikipedia:

Mueller was accepted for officer training in the United States Marine Corps in 1968, attending training at Parris Island, Officer Candidate School, Army Ranger School, and Army jump school.[18]

In July 1968, he was sent to South Vietnam where he served as a rifle platoon commander with Second Platoon, H Company, 2nd Battalion, 4th Marines, 3rd Marine Division;[8][19] he eventually became aide-de-camp to 3rd Marine Division's commanding general.[18] In April 1969, he received an enemy gunshot wound in the thigh, recovered, and returned to lead his platoon until June 1969.[20] For his service in and during the Vietnam War, his military decorations and awards include: the Bronze Star Medal with Combat "V", Purple Heart Medal, two Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medals with Combat "V", Combat Action Ribbon, National Defense Service Medal, Vietnam Service Medal with three  3⁄16" bronze stars, Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross, Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal, and Parachutist Badge.[8][20]

leanforward

(1,076 posts)
61. I noted that too.
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 11:43 PM
Nov 2017

I don't want to diminish this thread or anyone's time in RVN. The troops or marines (gentlemen) out on the sweeps or strong points have seen some BS. I've seen these gentlemen coming into the base camp. They've all had a haunted look.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
69. USMC used the single stripe for a PFC
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 08:38 AM
Nov 2017

Apparently what the Corps didn't use were unit patches (top of left sleeve). So yeah, that photo is shaky. I'm sure Mueller did look and was that bad ass - basic requirement.

malthaussen

(17,187 posts)
73. Yep, that's the 25th Infantry Div patch...
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 10:05 AM
Nov 2017

... more obvious if you blow it up. A lightning bolt in a pineapple.

-- Mal

Norbert

(6,039 posts)
70. I'd want him to have my back
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 08:44 AM
Nov 2017

If the shithead set foot in 'nam in '69 he would likely soil his boxers out of fear.

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