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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe cannot win on this platform....
We are not them.
As much as I despise practically anyone with an R behind their name. We just cannot lean on the fact that they are bad, so therefore vote for us.
We must present a real reason that reaches out and rebuilds the big tent.
IMHO.
So, what are those things that we can succinctly put out there as a platform for the misinformed that might bring them to our side?
Remember who we are talking to. Small sentences. To oppose fear, we must offer hope. How do we turn the message of fear that the pubs put out there and counter it with feelings of hope and that tomorrow will be better instead of worse.
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justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)That shows some polling. On taxes Dems poll very, very well. In Russia scandal, not so much.
I truly believe they need to talk about taxes and healthcare and issues that matter to most people. Sadly, the Russia scandal isnt one of those issues.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Without total unity across the board it'll be another x vs y & people will be so turned off & burned out the message will be lost by the same in fighting we still deal with since 2015/16.
The assault on the Dem Party will bring a divided base & Repubs will end up ahead.
We'll see by then if there is real unity.
GeneMcM
(69 posts)gvstn
(2,805 posts)Hillary did talk about heathcare and taxes but got no teevee coverage. CNN at least, was wall to wall Trump. He was a celebrity and said outrageous easy to repeat phrases. I blame CNN for Trump's win in no small part.
There was almost zero coverage or interviews on policy. It was all watch--it's the Apprentice guy who will fire everyone in D.C., the hell with the issues or policy. Let's go have a beer with him.
ck4829
(35,069 posts)Vote, but don't put all your eggs in the voting basket, especially when the voting system is tainted. Join and support groups that influence issues from the outside.
Putin can not be ignored though, he is a murderer, and he and his little friends tried to stir up hate against classes of people, people I include among my loved ones... so I'm sorry, but Putinism has to end.
Matthew28
(1,798 posts)a new new DEAL!
Jobs and stronger unions
More anti-trust that is enforce that favors the small business
Higher minimum wage for the workers
A national law to strengthen union membership and power.
Human rights for all people no matter who.
1 trillion dollars in added infrastructure investment over the next 4 years.
Single payer healthcare
etc
This is how we win
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)It wasn't good enough for some then, so why would they be ok with them again?
Rinse repeat. No one cared to listen to her tho she had every one of those in her platform.
Matthew28
(1,798 posts)the republicans and never allow them to control the message! Acting nice won't win us anything.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)listen & find out for ourselves what the policy plan is for all the promises a candidate makes.
How about educating ourselves before believing a bunch of strangers on social media.
It really sickens me to see the 2020 wish list here when every one of them were addressed, down to the policy how-t by HRC.
We wouldn't be in this craphole fightung for survival if people had read the label on the koolaid they drank by the gallons.
Maybe they can copy n paste Hills 2016 platform & call it someething else next time.
Thanks for doing the hard work Sec Clinton.
What an insult.
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)negative campaigning They will be smeared as all Democrats are...so be prepared for that. And I must say...is there any OP where you don't sneak in a dig about Hillary Clinton? I would also like to point out that few people actually vote on a series of issues...one issue catches fire or one person...so all this message stuff simply doesn't take into account how people actually vote.
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)...a certain Senator named Barack Obama.
He had two qualities that made him a better (not just different) messenger -- he is an inspirational campaigner and had very little political baggage to spin against him.
Again, this is just my opinion.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)I agree.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)To truly recover the spirit of the new deal, we need to bring back a robust financial safety net. We went all in betting on capitalism to work for everyone and failed. Acknowledging that people are left out, and that poverty is a natural reality of an economy based on competition.
We need a UBI or an expanded financial support for people who are unemployed as well as those who have insurmmountable odds when it comes to finding employment that will provide real economic security.
Expansion of nutritional supports, public transportation, affordable or subsidized healthcare and daycare, better supports for k-12 education. AND shift away from the ideology that places a greater value on people based on their employment and education.
All people should matter. Not just those who aspire to be millionaires, or want to acquire advanced education. We need to meet more people where they are rather than offer rhetoric rocky path policies for goals that are often unattainlable.
delisen
(6,042 posts)Maybe we need to tell the truth.
leftstreet
(36,106 posts)beaglelover
(3,468 posts)David__77
(23,372 posts)...
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)The electorate gets it that all of that happened, but they(the broad mass of people who aren't political junkies like we are) won't vote for us simply because that happened.
Voters will only vote for a party that gives them something to vote FOR, rather than simply saying what to vote against.
We need to teach our candidates to say "here's what we're about...here's what we will do...here's how what we offer will help you...and here's why we're proud to say all of that".
Elections are won by candidates who win the argument.
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GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Is supports Americans right to own a firearm for self defense.
The problem is that a Democratic candidate who exposes the platform is attacked by the radical anti gun party members. Can is automatically called a centrist or right wing.
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Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)That's a radical NRA talking point.
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Kingofalldems
(38,452 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)Can you give me an idea of what he posted?
Kingofalldems
(38,452 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)Thanks.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)as well as everyone else, he, nor anyone like him, is going to vote for today's Democrats, even if they give everyone a couple of guns, racist bumper-stickers, and bump-stocks.
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)if we get soft on guns.
billh58
(6,635 posts)to leave without saying goodbye.
billh58
(6,635 posts)to promote the Second Amendment absolutist NRA point-of-view did you? You sound familiar -- what was your former screen name Bubba?
Squinch
(50,949 posts)Just like a window pane...
billh58
(6,635 posts)that MIRT saw right through him.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)go stronger on gun control.
billh58
(6,635 posts)already a Trump supporter.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)Response to Squinch (Reply #42)
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Squinch
(50,949 posts)to the future of the Democratic party is abandoning the pursuit of sensible gun control?
What could be the motive for that, you ask? Gosh. I couldn't say.
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billh58
(6,635 posts)too much Bubba.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)say that this farcical conversation is over now.
billh58
(6,635 posts)as well. Playing with trolls is only entertaining for a short while.
billh58
(6,635 posts)for your concern for we Democrats. We really appreciate it bigly Bubba...
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MaryMagdaline
(6,853 posts)Is disproportionately women. Maybe no men will leave but failing to at least address gun violence will tamp down female vote. It's a dilemma for anyone running as a Dem.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,500 posts)billh58
(6,635 posts)room from Ted Nugent.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,500 posts)riiiiight.
Hoyt
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)billh58
(6,635 posts)with a brand new screen name. They always come back...
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billh58
(6,635 posts)precious...
Squinch
(50,949 posts)billh58
(6,635 posts)http://news.gallup.com/poll/21496/gun-ownership-higher-among-republicans-than-democrats.aspx
Other surveys show that most of the Democrats who own guns are in favor of more stringent gun control measures.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)billh58
(6,635 posts)when they're sleeping...
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billh58
(6,635 posts)independents who have no political or moral stances.
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billh58
(6,635 posts)are so funny, Less gun control? The majority of Americans are in favor of more gun control, but your Republican congress critters are too afraid of their masters at the NRA to act on the will of the People.
Go back to Ted and Wayne and tell them that you were a brave little soldier fighting the big, bad meanies at DU, but unfortunately you failed.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)of the Democratic Party. Look it up, read it, and tell us if you support it. That platform was written by Dems and progressives together. It reflects common cause and is the platform of the party until 2020. Perhaps the discussion you may be seeking is how to better articulate what we stand for together.
I was think, how about THIS platform
https://www.democrats.org/party-platform
FSogol
(45,481 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,585 posts)single, focused message for the primaries beside just being "anti 45" and was told that we shouldn't for the midterms and only for the presidential. For some reason it would hurt the candidates in the House and Senate and not unify the party. I do not understand that theory.
Matthew28
(1,798 posts)1. That the republicans want to take your SSI, Medicare, medicaid away. We need to attack this hard with facts and sources that people can look at.
2. The republicans want to give it all to the rich that have already hurt us through decades of outsoucing and offshoring. Explain every night that trump lied about fixing this and has turned out to be the snake!
3. Explain how the republican party aims to undermine human rights in this country.
Maybe in passing talk about how we'd be better served by having single payer that works world wide and other such issues.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Clinton ran on not being Trump. That was her main argument. Trump's argument was that "I am schmuck who will give you what want."
We are still doing it. Trump is still a schmuck, and nobody cares. If we get rid of Trump, we get an ever bigger schmuck, and then we can have another candidate lose with the argument "I am not the big schmuck."
We need a message and a messenger that works. And a party that can get behind it. Not a circular firing squad.
Putin's revenge indeed. He's even poisoned DU, and he didn't need a single troll to do it ( even though he probably has them).
emulatorloo
(44,118 posts)them all the time.
That's why she won with voters whose top concerns were Jobs and The Economy.
Now I understand you may have not seen that on cable news because they always cut away when she talked issues.
But I assume you saw several of the Trump HRC debates. If you think all she said was "I'm not Trump" you weren't paying attention.
coolsandy
(479 posts)coolsandy
(479 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)There was a percieved culture of corruption that he was able to tie Clinton too. Never mind he was part of it, he had plausible deniability in the mind of some. My poont though, is it is not enough to run against Trump, and it's not enough to have a good platform or a well qualified candidate. Sad that theose things don't matter, ut tbis where we are.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)emulatorloo
(44,118 posts)billh58
(6,635 posts)get out the Democratic vote. When our people vote, we win. We have seen that a percentage of our country is made up of racist, misogynistic, white-nationalist sociopaths, and I don't believe that there is room for these misfits in a Democratic tent of any size -- big or small.
We must convince Democrats, and those "undecided voters" who lean Democratic to actually get off their butts and go to the polls. We need to get back to Dean's 50-State strategy and preach to the choir, because the choir has been staying home.
ileus
(15,396 posts)All we need is something simple for the final 5%.
delisen
(6,042 posts)we should be supporting.
c-rational
(2,590 posts)It may be a little long but effective I hope.
I Want My Country Back
I propose the following 5 point Platform to address the ills of our country.
1. Minimum wage of $15/hr.
2. Medicare for all. It has been too long without any input on how to solve our national problem by the AMA or the insurance companies. Lets solve it for them. Having 18% of our GDP go to our health care outcome is unacceptable. The problem has never been addressed truthfully. Thanks MSM. I say we pull 10% from the military budget and build national medical schools with applicants accepted on merit and graduating without debt they work in public health clinics for a reasonable salary. We should not be looking to make money off our fellow Americans sickness. Also, when our % of GDP rises this high is does affect our national security. This involves war powers act. Is not this how the interstate highway system was built so we could move military items around this country quickly. I would initially said improve the ACA but at this juncture even it were improved (including Medicare at 55) and included a public option, private insurance could not compete, nor should it in a so called Christian Country.
3. A four(4) trillion dollar infrastructure program over 10 years (That is the American Society of Civil Engineers cost estimate). With a national economy generating 160-180 trillion over that period to say you cannot afford to maintain your house is not only appalling it is failing in your fiduciary duty as a public servant to at least say what the right thing to do is. Thanks for nothing McConnell and Ryan.
4. A tax plan to make all sound over 30 years. This would include a significant inheritance tax of all estates over 10 billion. I would also suggest a 90% tax on all foreign money not brought back to the States within 6 months. When asked why he robbed banks, Butch Cassidy said thats where the money is. Well guess what, when you tax people you have to tax those that have it. And since too many moneyed morons refuse to open their eyes to reality, well, let a seasoned Democratic team help. Oh, and by the way, we call the price tag for infrastructure improvement an assessment
no new tax.
5. My Marshall plan for our country. Another trillion dollars invested over 10 years. Half to coal country. The men and women in his country brought china to the table and energy to the world. They were given the short end of the stick, then the coal companies ripped the tops off the mountains and left the tailings to pollute. Clean and heal the countryside and people. Start a Manhattan Energy project to find new ways to bring green power to all. The other half would go to the Midwest and manufacturing zones. And while we are at it, institute National Service for all (serve one year from 17 to 27) If we want to be a community we need to act like one. Retool and adapt. Many of the old jobs will never come back. The art of making buggy whips was also lost. Change we must.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)but I suggest reading the 16 platform...how about Social Security, Medicare , Medicaid, ACA, Russia, and job just off the top of my head.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)fight Trump with every bone in our body...and midterms usually favor the party out of power. The idea that pointing out the problems with the other guy isn't effective during an election is simply not true...everyone claims to dislike negative advertising and campaigning, but it works...alway has and always will.