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Sophiegirl

(2,338 posts)
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 03:23 PM Nov 2017

We cannot win on this platform....

“We are not them.”

As much as I despise practically anyone with an “R” behind their name. We just cannot lean on the fact that they are bad, so therefore vote for us.

We must present a real reason that reaches out and rebuilds the big tent.

IMHO.

So, what are those things that we can succinctly put out there as a platform for the misinformed that might bring them to our side?

Remember who we are talking to. Small sentences. To oppose fear, we must offer hope. How do we turn the message of fear that the ‘pubs put out there and counter it with feelings of hope and that tomorrow will be better instead of worse.

Sof

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We cannot win on this platform.... (Original Post) Sophiegirl Nov 2017 OP
I saw a tweet yesterday justiceischeap Nov 2017 #1
Same points we campaigned on last time. Wwcd Nov 2017 #5
problem isn't the plaform it's the framing and we don't have a reliable base of footsoldiers GeneMcM Nov 2017 #64
The thing is gvstn Nov 2017 #10
That's why we need a multi-pronged approach ck4829 Nov 2017 #27
The platform we win on is Matthew28 Nov 2017 #2
Those were the exact things Hillary listed in her campaign platform 2016 Wwcd Nov 2017 #7
We have to attack Matthew28 Nov 2017 #11
Nice? How about not believing online social media & actually Wwcd Nov 2017 #21
A different messenger might be received better. aikoaiko Nov 2017 #76
Thats an insult. Wwcd Nov 2017 #85
I promise you a different messenger will get the tar beat out of them by the GOP in terms of Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #87
I agree that a different messenger would be smeared, too, much like... aikoaiko Nov 2017 #89
So our current platform... GulfCoast66 Nov 2017 #9
More than that loyalsister Nov 2017 #30
The jobs soon being replaced by automation? delisen Nov 2017 #78
Medicare For All n/t leftstreet Nov 2017 #3
+1,000,000 beaglelover Nov 2017 #23
Thats a good one. David__77 Nov 2017 #80
And we can't win on "Comey-The Russians-Voter Suppression". Ken Burch Nov 2017 #4
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Read the platform GulfCoast66 Nov 2017 #12
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The Democratic party doesn't oppose the 2nd amendment. Crunchy Frog Nov 2017 #16
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Ted Nugent you say? Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #34
I missed reading my troll's reply. Crunchy Frog Nov 2017 #81
He said he is Ted Nugentlike when it comes to the 2nd amendment. Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #82
So basically he's admitting that he soils himself. Crunchy Frog Nov 2017 #83
Ted Nugent is a confederate flag waving white wing gunner. You know, Hoyt Nov 2017 #37
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Fine. Folks who vote for white wing racists (AKA, Republicans) now, aren't going to go Democratic Hoyt Nov 2017 #58
Well, that was rude of the troll billh58 Nov 2017 #73
Joined just today billh58 Nov 2017 #40
LOL! Seriously? You're Nugent level 2nd Amendment? Are you Trump level pro Russia too? Squinch Nov 2017 #45
And he was so transparent billh58 Nov 2017 #74
Which proves that the gun humpers won't vote Democratic anyway. So we might as well Squinch Nov 2017 #26
I suspect that this one is billh58 Nov 2017 #41
Yes, I would have to agree. Squinch Nov 2017 #42
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Why would someone use bizarre statements to try to convince Democrats that the key Squinch Nov 2017 #52
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I think that you protest waaaay billh58 Nov 2017 #62
My theory? Maybe cat scratch fever? And given that you are offended by the word "sensible," I'd Squinch Nov 2017 #65
And it's over for me billh58 Nov 2017 #68
Thank you very much billh58 Nov 2017 #54
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Democratic base MaryMagdaline Nov 2017 #66
That and the fact you don't know what a "tenant" is. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2017 #69
Maybe he rents a billh58 Nov 2017 #71
And I bet that room smells like shitty underwear. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2017 #72
I lulz'd KG Nov 2017 #18
Oh BS. Gun-fanciers, for the most part, vote GOPer. Hoyt Nov 2017 #35
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Yes, they are racist gun-humpers like your idol Ted Nugent (that you mentioned earlier). Hoyt Nov 2017 #38
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Sure you did. Hoyt Nov 2017 #48
A rabid gun-humping retread billh58 Nov 2017 #44
Yep. When they mention Ted Nugent as a mentor, you know they aren't Democrats. Hoyt Nov 2017 #47
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Isn't that just billh58 Nov 2017 #51
You've been listening to Ted Nugent for too long. Squinch Nov 2017 #53
They (gun humpers) are fond of statistics billh58 Nov 2017 #49
How these gun-fanciers can claim otherwise, is beyond explanation. Hoyt Nov 2017 #55
Their guns whisper to them billh58 Nov 2017 #57
LMAO. Gunz are truly magical for these folks. Hoyt Nov 2017 #70
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Who cares? They'[re billh58 Nov 2017 #60
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You Trump people billh58 Nov 2017 #67
Why don't you read the platform Skidmore Nov 2017 #8
Yup ismnotwasm Nov 2017 #14
Exactly. n/t FSogol Nov 2017 #15
I posted the same thing yesterday and was told that Dems shouldn't have a BigmanPigman Nov 2017 #13
Here is a few ideas to repeat over and over again! Matthew28 Nov 2017 #22
So it's a good thing that's not our platform. Squinch Nov 2017 #17
Nobody reads the platform, probably not even the people who wrote it marylandblue Nov 2017 #19
Clinton had shitloads of policy proposals on jobs, economy, healthcare and talked about emulatorloo Nov 2017 #29
Thank you!! coolsandy Nov 2017 #31
Trump actually ran on LOCK HER UP and Make America Great Again, as he trashed America on every turn. coolsandy Nov 2017 #32
Yes that's true, but he had a little more marylandblue Nov 2017 #33
Dems will restore the money that Pubs are stealing from you. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #20
That's not our platform tho emulatorloo Nov 2017 #28
The real answer is to billh58 Nov 2017 #75
We are not them nets our 47% of the vote. ileus Nov 2017 #77
I would love to hear from you on which jobs delisen Nov 2017 #79
I Want My Country Back c-rational Nov 2017 #84
Did you ever hear of a 50 state strategy...we are Democrats and there different viewpoints... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #86
Also, our platform isn't opposing Trump...our duty as Democrats and Americans compels us to Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #88

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
1. I saw a tweet yesterday
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 03:26 PM
Nov 2017

That shows some polling. On taxes Dems poll very, very well. In Russia scandal, not so much.

I truly believe they need to talk about taxes and healthcare and issues that matter to most people. Sadly, the Russia scandal isn’t one of those issues.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
5. Same points we campaigned on last time.
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 03:31 PM
Nov 2017

Without total unity across the board it'll be another x vs y & people will be so turned off & burned out the message will be lost by the same in fighting we still deal with since 2015/16.

The assault on the Dem Party will bring a divided base & Repubs will end up ahead.

We'll see by then if there is real unity.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
10. The thing is
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 03:37 PM
Nov 2017

Hillary did talk about heathcare and taxes but got no teevee coverage. CNN at least, was wall to wall Trump. He was a celebrity and said outrageous easy to repeat phrases. I blame CNN for Trump's win in no small part.

There was almost zero coverage or interviews on policy. It was all watch--it's the Apprentice guy who will fire everyone in D.C., the hell with the issues or policy. Let's go have a beer with him.

ck4829

(35,069 posts)
27. That's why we need a multi-pronged approach
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 04:38 PM
Nov 2017

Vote, but don't put all your eggs in the voting basket, especially when the voting system is tainted. Join and support groups that influence issues from the outside.

Putin can not be ignored though, he is a murderer, and he and his little friends tried to stir up hate against classes of people, people I include among my loved ones... so I'm sorry, but Putinism has to end.

Matthew28

(1,798 posts)
2. The platform we win on is
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 03:27 PM
Nov 2017

a new new DEAL!

Jobs and stronger unions
More anti-trust that is enforce that favors the small business
Higher minimum wage for the workers
A national law to strengthen union membership and power.
Human rights for all people no matter who.
1 trillion dollars in added infrastructure investment over the next 4 years.
Single payer healthcare
etc

This is how we win

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
7. Those were the exact things Hillary listed in her campaign platform 2016
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 03:35 PM
Nov 2017

It wasn't good enough for some then, so why would they be ok with them again?

Rinse repeat. No one cared to listen to her tho she had every one of those in her platform.

Matthew28

(1,798 posts)
11. We have to attack
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 03:40 PM
Nov 2017

the republicans and never allow them to control the message! Acting nice won't win us anything.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
21. Nice? How about not believing online social media & actually
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 04:16 PM
Nov 2017

listen & find out for ourselves what the policy plan is for all the promises a candidate makes.

How about educating ourselves before believing a bunch of strangers on social media.

It really sickens me to see the 2020 wish list here when every one of them were addressed, down to the policy how-t by HRC.

We wouldn't be in this craphole fightung for survival if people had read the label on the koolaid they drank by the gallons.

Maybe they can copy n paste Hills 2016 platform & call it someething else next time.

Thanks for doing the hard work Sec Clinton.
What an insult.


Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
87. I promise you a different messenger will get the tar beat out of them by the GOP in terms of
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 06:53 AM
Nov 2017

negative campaigning They will be smeared as all Democrats are...so be prepared for that. And I must say...is there any OP where you don't sneak in a dig about Hillary Clinton? I would also like to point out that few people actually vote on a series of issues...one issue catches fire or one person...so all this message stuff simply doesn't take into account how people actually vote.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
89. I agree that a different messenger would be smeared, too, much like...
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 05:46 PM
Nov 2017

...a certain Senator named Barack Obama.

He had two qualities that made him a better (not just different) messenger -- he is an inspirational campaigner and had very little political baggage to spin against him.

Again, this is just my opinion.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
30. More than that
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 04:50 PM
Nov 2017

To truly recover the spirit of the new deal, we need to bring back a robust financial safety net. We went all in betting on capitalism to work for everyone and failed. Acknowledging that people are left out, and that poverty is a natural reality of an economy based on competition.
We need a UBI or an expanded financial support for people who are unemployed as well as those who have insurmmountable odds when it comes to finding employment that will provide real economic security.
Expansion of nutritional supports, public transportation, affordable or subsidized healthcare and daycare, better supports for k-12 education. AND shift away from the ideology that places a greater value on people based on their employment and education.

All people should matter. Not just those who aspire to be millionaires, or want to acquire advanced education. We need to meet more people where they are rather than offer rhetoric rocky path policies for goals that are often unattainlable.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
4. And we can't win on "Comey-The Russians-Voter Suppression".
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 03:30 PM
Nov 2017

The electorate gets it that all of that happened, but they(the broad mass of people who aren't political junkies like we are) won't vote for us simply because that happened.

Voters will only vote for a party that gives them something to vote FOR, rather than simply saying what to vote against.

We need to teach our candidates to say "here's what we're about...here's what we will do...here's how what we offer will help you...and here's why we're proud to say all of that".

Elections are won by candidates who win the argument.

Response to Sophiegirl (Original post)

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
12. Read the platform
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 03:40 PM
Nov 2017

Is supports Americans right to own a firearm for self defense.

The problem is that a Democratic candidate who exposes the platform is attacked by the radical anti gun party members. Can is automatically called a centrist or right wing.

Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #12)

Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #16)

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
37. Ted Nugent is a confederate flag waving white wing gunner. You know,
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 05:40 PM
Nov 2017

as well as everyone else, he, nor anyone like him, is going to vote for today's Democrats, even if they give everyone a couple of guns, racist bumper-stickers, and bump-stocks.

Response to Hoyt (Reply #37)

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
58. Fine. Folks who vote for white wing racists (AKA, Republicans) now, aren't going to go Democratic
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 06:16 PM
Nov 2017

if we get soft on guns.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
40. Joined just today
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 05:47 PM
Nov 2017

to promote the Second Amendment absolutist NRA point-of-view did you? You sound familiar -- what was your former screen name Bubba?

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
45. LOL! Seriously? You're Nugent level 2nd Amendment? Are you Trump level pro Russia too?
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 05:53 PM
Nov 2017

Just like a window pane...

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
26. Which proves that the gun humpers won't vote Democratic anyway. So we might as well
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 04:38 PM
Nov 2017

go stronger on gun control.

Response to Squinch (Reply #42)

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
52. Why would someone use bizarre statements to try to convince Democrats that the key
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 06:09 PM
Nov 2017

to the future of the Democratic party is abandoning the pursuit of sensible gun control?

What could be the motive for that, you ask? Gosh. I couldn't say.

Response to Squinch (Reply #52)

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
65. My theory? Maybe cat scratch fever? And given that you are offended by the word "sensible," I'd
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 06:27 PM
Nov 2017

say that this farcical conversation is over now.

Response to billh58 (Reply #54)

MaryMagdaline

(6,853 posts)
66. Democratic base
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 06:27 PM
Nov 2017

Is disproportionately women. Maybe no men will leave but failing to at least address gun violence will tamp down female vote. It's a dilemma for anyone running as a Dem.

Response to Hoyt (Reply #35)

Response to Hoyt (Reply #38)

Response to billh58 (Reply #44)

billh58

(6,635 posts)
49. They (gun humpers) are fond of statistics
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 06:07 PM
Nov 2017
Republicans also are more likely than independents or Democrats to say they personally own a gun. About 4 in 10 Republicans (41%) say they own a gun, while 27% of independents and 23% of Democrats say this.

http://news.gallup.com/poll/21496/gun-ownership-higher-among-republicans-than-democrats.aspx


Other surveys show that most of the Democrats who own guns are in favor of more stringent gun control measures.

Response to billh58 (Reply #49)

Response to billh58 (Reply #60)

billh58

(6,635 posts)
67. You Trump people
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 06:28 PM
Nov 2017

are so funny, Less gun control? The majority of Americans are in favor of more gun control, but your Republican congress critters are too afraid of their masters at the NRA to act on the will of the People.

Go back to Ted and Wayne and tell them that you were a brave little soldier fighting the big, bad meanies at DU, but unfortunately you failed.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
8. Why don't you read the platform
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 03:37 PM
Nov 2017

of the Democratic Party. Look it up, read it, and tell us if you support it. That platform was written by Dems and progressives together. It reflects common cause and is the platform of the party until 2020. Perhaps the discussion you may be seeking is how to better articulate what we stand for together.

BigmanPigman

(51,585 posts)
13. I posted the same thing yesterday and was told that Dems shouldn't have a
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 03:43 PM
Nov 2017

single, focused message for the primaries beside just being "anti 45" and was told that we shouldn't for the midterms and only for the presidential. For some reason it would hurt the candidates in the House and Senate and not unify the party. I do not understand that theory.

Matthew28

(1,798 posts)
22. Here is a few ideas to repeat over and over again!
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 04:24 PM
Nov 2017

1. That the republicans want to take your SSI, Medicare, medicaid away. We need to attack this hard with facts and sources that people can look at.
2. The republicans want to give it all to the rich that have already hurt us through decades of outsoucing and offshoring. Explain every night that trump lied about fixing this and has turned out to be the snake!
3. Explain how the republican party aims to undermine human rights in this country.

Maybe in passing talk about how we'd be better served by having single payer that works world wide and other such issues.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
19. Nobody reads the platform, probably not even the people who wrote it
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 04:00 PM
Nov 2017

Clinton ran on not being Trump. That was her main argument. Trump's argument was that "I am schmuck who will give you what want."

We are still doing it. Trump is still a schmuck, and nobody cares. If we get rid of Trump, we get an ever bigger schmuck, and then we can have another candidate lose with the argument "I am not the big schmuck."

We need a message and a messenger that works. And a party that can get behind it. Not a circular firing squad.

Putin's revenge indeed. He's even poisoned DU, and he didn't need a single troll to do it ( even though he probably has them).

emulatorloo

(44,118 posts)
29. Clinton had shitloads of policy proposals on jobs, economy, healthcare and talked about
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 04:49 PM
Nov 2017

them all the time.


That's why she won with voters whose top concerns were Jobs and The Economy.

Now I understand you may have not seen that on cable news because they always cut away when she talked issues.

But I assume you saw several of the Trump HRC debates. If you think all she said was "I'm not Trump" you weren't paying attention.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
33. Yes that's true, but he had a little more
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 05:02 PM
Nov 2017

There was a percieved culture of corruption that he was able to tie Clinton too. Never mind he was part of it, he had plausible deniability in the mind of some. My poont though, is it is not enough to run against Trump, and it's not enough to have a good platform or a well qualified candidate. Sad that theose things don't matter, ut tbis where we are.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
75. The real answer is to
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 06:57 PM
Nov 2017

get out the Democratic vote. When our people vote, we win. We have seen that a percentage of our country is made up of racist, misogynistic, white-nationalist sociopaths, and I don't believe that there is room for these misfits in a Democratic tent of any size -- big or small.

We must convince Democrats, and those "undecided voters" who lean Democratic to actually get off their butts and go to the polls. We need to get back to Dean's 50-State strategy and preach to the choir, because the choir has been staying home.

c-rational

(2,590 posts)
84. I Want My Country Back
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 08:53 PM
Nov 2017

It may be a little long but effective I hope.

I Want My Country Back
I propose the following 5 point Platform to address the ills of our country.
1. Minimum wage of $15/hr.
2. Medicare for all. It has been too long without any input on how to solve our national problem by the AMA or the insurance companies. Let’s solve it for them. Having 18% of our GDP go to our health care outcome is unacceptable. The problem has never been addressed truthfully. Thanks MSM. I say we pull 10% from the military budget and build national medical schools with applicants accepted on merit and graduating without debt they work in public health clinics for a reasonable salary. We should not be looking to make money off our fellow Americans sickness. Also, when our % of GDP rises this high is does affect our national security. This involves war powers act. Is not this how the interstate highway system was built – so we could move military items around this country quickly. I would initially said improve the ACA but at this juncture even it were improved (including Medicare at 55) and included a public option, private insurance could not compete, nor should it in a so called Christian Country.
3. A four(4) trillion dollar infrastructure program over 10 years (That is the American Society of Civil Engineer’s cost estimate). With a national economy generating 160-180 trillion over that period to say you cannot afford to maintain your house is not only appalling it is failing in your fiduciary duty as a public servant to at least say what the right thing to do is. Thanks for nothing McConnell and Ryan.
4. A tax plan to make all sound over 30 years. This would include a significant inheritance tax of all estates over 10 billion. I would also suggest a 90% tax on all foreign money not brought back to the States within 6 months. When asked why he robbed banks, Butch Cassidy said that’s where the money is. Well guess what, when you tax people you have to tax those that have it. And since too many moneyed morons refuse to open their eyes to reality, well, let a seasoned Democratic team help. Oh, and by the way, we call the price tag for infrastructure improvement an assessment…no new tax.
5. My Marshall plan for our country. Another trillion dollars invested over 10 years. Half to coal country. The men and women in his country brought china to the table and energy to the world. They were given the short end of the stick, then the coal companies ripped the tops off the mountains and left the tailings to pollute. Clean and heal the countryside and people. Start a Manhattan Energy project to find new ways to bring green power to all. The other half would go to the Midwest and manufacturing zones. And while we are at it, institute National Service for all (serve one year from 17 to 27) If we want to be a community we need to act like one. Retool and adapt. Many of the old jobs will never come back. The art of making buggy whips was also lost. Change we must.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
86. Did you ever hear of a 50 state strategy...we are Democrats and there different viewpoints...
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 06:51 AM
Nov 2017

but I suggest reading the 16 platform...how about Social Security, Medicare , Medicaid, ACA, Russia, and job just off the top of my head.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
88. Also, our platform isn't opposing Trump...our duty as Democrats and Americans compels us to
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 06:59 AM
Nov 2017

fight Trump with every bone in our body...and midterms usually favor the party out of power. The idea that pointing out the problems with the other guy isn't effective during an election is simply not true...everyone claims to dislike negative advertising and campaigning, but it works...alway has and always will.

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