Well, well: NBC News obtains August 2015 Clinton-DNC memo read this important caveat:

[kpete]

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there was no conspiracy. Brazile was wrong.



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/memo-reveals-details-hillary-clinton-dnc-deal-n817411

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ok, then, enough of that, hugs & back to work......kp

[mcar]

1. Thanks kpete

I await all the retractions from media and social media. But I won't hold my breath.

[Control-Z]

2. Thank you for the post, kpete.

K&R

[Justice]

3. unbelievable. How could Donna have gotten that so wrong?

Why didn't Politico demand to see actual document?

[Control-Z]

9. When you know what you're looking for...?

I guess she found what she wanted to find even though it wasn't really there.

[onetexan]

138. I get the feeling both Brazile & Warren want to further divide the party

[fleabiscuit]

185. It's probably more of a reflex to jump to conclusions if more than $27 is being talked about. nt

[GeneMcM]

189. Neither are newbies, esp Brazille. she's a veteran. I think they think the Dem Party is fiinished an

Warren is trying to do a Sanders and cut out her little corner of regional relevance with the far left. Brazille. I don't know. Maybe she has more debt than I know about. The GOP has been courting her for years and she was all buddy with Matalan I'd like to see HER tax returns.

[DownriverDem]

219. Not Finished

Neither Warren or Brazille are newbies. They know to keep their eyes on the prize: To beat the crap out of the repubs. I do not believe that the Democratic Party is finished either.

[renegade000]

11. Politico and the hill have been putting out a lot of false hit pieces recently...

Trying to run interference for trump...

[Hortensis]

17. Yes, and Politico's hitting the Brazile lies hard.

[Clarity2]

81. The Hill

Is the one that put out the opinion piece Sean hannity used for the uranium story, and ended up legitimizing it to repubs

[kerry-is-my-prez]

34. Hey, she has a book to sell and money to make.

Gotta make a book juicy....

[Skittles]

38. she is trying to sell a book

[rzemanfl]

97. +1 Skittles. n/t

[guillaumeb]

4. Recommended.

An interesting addition to the continuing debate.

[boston bean]

5. Donna Brazile must never ever be given a role in democratic politics again.

There must be consequences.

[Madam45for2923]

8. She needs to edit her book.

[pandr32]

82. Agreed

[joshcryer]

10. There will be. She will never be trusted again.

If she can so easily throw her party under the bus for some potential future gig, she has lost. No one will trust her after this.

[Hortensis]

21. Probably insiders knew a lot of this some time ago.

Her extremely unethical supposed attempt to pass debate questions to the Hillary campaign wouldn't just cost her one position, but probably all future.

If all those stolen DNC emails taught us anything it's that they normally scrupulously turned down unethical offers. Nothing else remotely like Brazile's actions surfaced. In any case, Hillary could have answered those questions in her sleep (and probably still does).

Brazile's trashing of the Democratic Party as part of joining Sanders (surely she could have just announced with dignity and honor that she was joining him) makes me wonder just when she first decided to attack the party. The slimy email business happened during the primary.

[joshcryer]

27. I'm sure she's always been trying to get a nice book deal.

This attempt just clenched it for her.

[Hortensis]

36. Yes! But, she lost her jobs with the party and with CNN.

Her reputation is in the sewer. Sure, she wants her book to be published and sell well, but forever burning her bridges with the Democratic Party via a major hit job timed to damage the party even more seems a bit overkillish.

She needs a job that'll keep her out front and is trying to join Sanders. Did Sanders want Brazile before? Why would he? Is this her version of resume building? Will he give her a job now? Tulsi Gabbard was allowed to introduce him at a few events after she theatrically torched the DNC and endorsed him, but not much more.

[quartz007]

149. Brazile will make MILLIONS from the book deal

and she will need those millions, because she will never work for DNC or CNN or MSNBC.

[fleabiscuit]

201. Highly doubtful the book will earn anything. Perhaps a few paid appearances on fox. nt

[quartz007]

216. Famous authors get a front end bonus

from the publisher. It can go as high as $10 million if the author is very famous. This bonus is before a single book copy is sold! The fame can be good or bad. It does not matter.

[DURHAM D]

22. She is currently a member of the Democratic National Committee. nt

[boston bean]

62. She must be forced to resign!!

[DURHAM D]

74. Couldn't agree more.

DNC does not seem to be answering their phone today. I left messages (nice ones) and no response.

[True Blue American]

207. UN Presidented?

Does that mean we all,”Unfriend,” her,the way the old Lady in the cartoon does?

[Baitball Blogger]

6. Hope snopes.com can sort this thing out in an easy read for quick reference.

[joshcryer]

7. Donna Brazille just ended her career.

[Boomerproud]

14. Her career should have ended when she proved she couldn't run a campaign.

n/t

[joshcryer]

15. She ran the talking head circuit for well over a decade.

That was her "job" for the past 15 odd years. She did it OK. Now she should quietly go away.

And publishing that book is a disaster.

[Baconator]

33. Ha...

[lunamagica]

89. ICAM. She was a disaster for Gore

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

176. Thought Gore won, but for Florida fraud... that's what happened...

or doesn't that count anymore?

[GeneMcM]

191. it should never have been close enough for that to be all it took.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

205. Sounds familiar.

[ehrnst]

225. Interesting that now Donna is suddenly the most competent, reliable

and honest person in the DNC for many who thought her a worthless shill for so long.

[calimary]

146. Well, let's hope so, anyway. She is F-U. Fucking USELESS.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9791151

[Kingofalldems]

12. Boom!

Internet Trump trolls destroyed.

[MaryMagdaline]

13. Class act

Once again Hillary has to prove her innocence. And she did it without calling anyone a liar. Hope Donna sells a lot of books at our expense. Virginia election days away. Wonder what it will be like in 2018 and 2020 with a republican in governor's office securing the vote.

[58Sunliner]

198. She better not have a book signing that I can attend.

Actually- a good idea. How about we all protest any appearances? Shame her.

[ehrnst]

212. I'm betting Hachette is kicking themselves for agreeing to publish. (nt)

[bdtrppr6]

16. WTF

are the dem leaders doing? this is such a whole bag of nothing and totally division/diversion. brazile needs to be heavily raked over the coals for this. be one good use for coal, i guess.

"Mr Mueller, can you check her accounts for rubles also?"

[spanone]

18. K&R...

[lamp_shade]

19. Kick

[ismnotwasm]

20. Thank you

[NCTraveler]

23. No hugs for ratfuckers.

Hopefully it sends them back to their basement.

[Scurrilous]

24. K&R

[Me.]

25. She Needs To Be Booted

I hope the harm isn't irreparable.

[Bleacher Creature]

50. Permanently booted.

If it doesn't screw up VA or NJ on Tuesday, there really shouldn't be much long term damage as we can count on President Bonespurs to continue doing stuff to bring us all together. But if it does cost us, especially in VA, it will empower him and Congressional Republicans, which could do unimaginable amounts of damage.

[Cattledog]

26. Thanks for the info!

[Rilgin]

28. Do you have a link

I have heard reported that Bernie (not sure about Martin OMalley) had a similar agreement. Do we have any real details on that or those agreements. I would be curious. It would not change some of my feelings about general bias in the DNC or the use of the Victory Fund to avoid campaign finance restrictions but would change some of my opinion about the agreement itself.

Mostly I am curious if they contain the same control provisions. It would be hard to give 2 candidates the same type of rights over personnel. The document you provide gives the DNC the right to select amongst candidates provided by the Clinton campaign. Not sure if you could actually give another party the same rights because it might not practically work.

In any event, since you found this memo, do you know if the details of the Bernie agreement are anywhere online?

[kpete]

31. NBC

Memo Reveals Details of Hillary Clinton-DNC Deal
by ALEX SEITZ-WALD

WASHINGTON — The Democratic National Committee struck a deal with Hillary Clinton in 2015 that gave her campaign input on some party hiring and spending decisions, but related only to preparations for the general election, according to a memo obtained by NBC News. It also left the door open for other candidates to make similar arrangements.

The document provides more context to the explosive claims made by former DNC Interim Chair Donna Brazile in a forthcoming book, an excerpt of which was published this week.

The August 26, 2015, memorandum of understanding from Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook to DNC CEO Amy Dacey details the relationship between Clinton's campaign and the DNC long before she won her party's nomination.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/memo-reveals-details-hillary-clinton-dnc-deal-n817411
MEMO HERE:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/TODAY/z_Creative/DNCMemo%20(002).pdf

[ProudProgressiveNow]

29. K&R nt

[delisen]

30. I do not trust Donna Brazile.

This is not a small mistake.

[mucifer]

32. NPR said there were two separate DNC deals with Hillary. It was confusing to me.

[SunSeeker]

107. Hillary's JFA was amended after she secured the nomination.

More fact-checking of Brazile's claims here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029788867

[virtualobserver]

35. That document reads EXACTLY as Donna Brazile said it did.

[lapucelle]

40. ...

[virtualobserver]

42. It's funny because it's true

[lapucelle]

52. ...

"Nothing in this agreement shall be construed to violate the DNC's obligation of impartiality and
neutrality through the nominating process. All activities performed under this agreement will be
focused exclusively on preparations for the General Election and not the Democratic Primary.
Further we understand you may enter into similar agreements with other candidates."

And they did!

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-2016-fundraising-dnc-215559

[virtualobserver]

57. and as you can see, it doesn't have the money laundering feature with the state parties

Bernie's agreement just is DNC only.

[lapucelle]

69. There was no "money laundering feature". There is a federal statute

that prohibits disbursement of money raised from joint fundraising agreements until after a nominee is determined. Someone made the states wait until July 12, 2016 for their money.

What some people call a "money laundering feature", the FEC calls "a provision of federal election law".

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/102.17

[virtualobserver]

117. it is still a loophole that allows individual donors to give, in this case, $353,000

Donna said that 99.5 percent of the state and DNC money was funneled back to Hillary

The law only allows for $2700 per donor to a campaign, but by using this loophole it allows for single donors to ultimately donate $353,000 to Hillary

It is legal, but it defeats the spirit of the law.

It allows some large donors undue influence with candidates. To reach the $80 million figure, you would only need 227 rich donors.

[lapucelle]

126. Sanders had the same provision in his agreement with the DNC.

Here's the allocation formula for Hillary's agreement.

Allocation Formula
Contributions from individuals will be allocated as follows: the first $2,700 will be allocated to Hillary for America and designated for the primary election. The next $33,400 of a contribution will be allocated to the Democratic National Committee.

Here's the allocation formula for BS's:

The move, which comes more than two months after Hillary Clinton's campaign signed such an agreement in August, will allow Sanders' team to raise up to $33,400 for the committee as well as $2,700 for the campaign from individual donors at events
https://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-2016-fundraising-dnc-215559

[lapucelle]

140. No she didn't.

The state money was deposited as per federal law in a separate accounts until the loser conceded in July 2016.

"The Victory Fund will establish a depository account to be used solely for the receipt of contributions and for the making of disbursements in furtherance of this agreement as provided for by law and FEC regulations. The Committees will amend their Statements of Organization, as necessary, to reflect this account as an additional depository."

The fundraising effort allowed the DNC to pay down $22,000,000 in debt. She "funneled" the money to the DNC's creditors. Damn that woman!

[virtualobserver]

143. She raised $80 million through the state funnel

some of that "debt" was money loaned to the DNC by Hillary,

[lapucelle]

155. She raised $80,000,000 for the DNC and Democratic candidates.

That money was allocated according to the allocation formula and "funneled" back to state parties and candidates after the loser conceded, as per federal law.

[virtualobserver]

163. not according to Donna Brazile, who happened to be head of the DNC

[emulatorloo]

166. Donna Brazile has zero credibility now. Because of the article posted by OP

[Demsrule86]

167. Who is now a proven liar or completely incompetent...you will at some point have to admit that this

is true...what I wonder is why does it matter? 16 is over...and folks voted...and that is how the nominee is chosen...so all of this flailing around what is the purpose?

[lapucelle]

218. You don't seem to know much about actual facts.

None of the $24,000,000 dollars in debt that a review of the books revealed in August 2015 was money owed to or lent by Clinton. By July 2016, that debt was paid down $22,000,000 with a $2,000,000 debt remaining.

[stonecutter357]

203. #fakenews.

[R B Garr]

215. Thank you, lapucelle! He had the same agreement, he just didn't perform

so there were no funds for him to direct. Is she supposed to raise money for him??

Those agreements look like boiler-plate documents with language generic to the industry. There wasn't some room full of lawyers committing to writing how Hillary was going to rig things. How absurd and absurdly unbelievable.

Great posts, lapucelle.

[Gothmog]

223. Thank you for posting the facts on this

[ehrnst]

224. Donna seems to have some problems with math: $158,200,000 is not 99.5% of $529,943,912

https://www.opensecrets.org/jfc/summary.php?id=C00586537

I think some heads are going to roll at her publisher's office, unless they release her "memoir" as fiction.

[ehrnst]

130. It's like talking to a Trump supporter about Benghazi...

[Demsrule86]

168. Yes...and we see how strong the feelings still are...

[moriah]

105. Really? We have the full text of the HFA agreement.

Do you have the text of the agreement with Bernie?

I'd love to read it, since you're so certain Hillary and Bernie's agreements differed significantly in giving Hillary more power over primary-related DNC activities?

[virtualobserver]

135. Bernie's agreement does not include the state parties

The state party agreement was designed to capture donations of $353,000.....there was no reason for Bernie to make that kind of agreement with $27 donors

[moriah]

142. So you agree it's a nothingburger then?

Because if that's all you've got... hell, I don't even think this nothingburger has a bun.

[virtualobserver]

147. funneling $80 million supposedly raised for state parties back to Hillary isn't a nothingburger

this has grown tiresome

[Demsrule86]

174. That is untrue...and one of the reasons states waited for their money is that the race went on too

long.

"Here are the facts: of the $529 million Clinton raised under the Agreement, more than $107 million eventually went to the DNC while state parties received about $264 million. She only kept $158 million for her own campaign.

It is true that Clinton ended up holding that money in a bank account for longer than she might have liked. But she could not disburse those funds until she was the official nominee, which did not happen until more than a month after the POLITICO hit piece."

https://deepstatenation.com/primary-error-donna-brazile-mixed-up-two-different-clinton-dnc-agreements/

[virtualobserver]

177. I trust Donna Brazile over this "deep state nation" site........lol

[JHan]

192. FFS the source for those figures is opensecrets.org

https://www.opensecrets.org/jfc/summary.php?id=C00586537

smh

[stonecutter357]

204. Seems Legit lol.

[moriah]

208. You know that is untrue.

OpenSecrets.org shows it is untrue. You can see what state parties transferred to the DNC in total for those states that actually report it.

In North Carolina, the HVF gave them $3.4 million. The DNC gave them $12 million. They transferred back less than half a mil to each.

And at least Hillary was out there trying to raise money for the party. And to be blunt, while I'm glad Bernie is a friend to Democrats, this once again proves that he's essentially the DNC's "friend with benefits" of his own choice vs being in a serious relationship with us. I love FWBs. I know sometimes they're broke. But if they are only going to help pay for dinner if they like the friend we're dining with, and could move in to save money and take lots of friends out but choose not to until it's convenient for them, it's not my fault I have to wait to take other friends out and certainly not the FWB's place to say I'm a bad friend to those people he didn't want to split the cost to take to dinner.

Your ignorance of campaign finance laws you disagree with is rather astounding. I've always thought it was good to know the details of what I dislike, vs simply deciding to dislike it without information to inform my opinion.

[ehrnst]

145. So Bernie declined raising money through a joint financial agreement...

And any control over that money that agreement covered.

And?

[virtualobserver]

151. He did not believe in the subversion of campaign finance laws created by the Supreme Court decision

Sorry

[ehrnst]

152. Again, that was his choice. He walked away from the JFA, and Hillary did not.

And as a result, the Democratic Party, that Sanders was so relying on for the credibility to run for POTUS, didn't go belly up.

He should be thankful.

And you should be thankful for the party you support that didn't show Bernie the door, when he showed up one morning asking for their credibility for a run.

[yardwork]

206. Then why won't Bernie release his tax returns and campaign finance reports?

What is Bernie hiding?

[ehrnst]

213. Yes, that seems to be a question very easily answered with some financial transparency

on Sanders' part.

I can't understand why he would refuse to release his taxes, if there was nothing in them that is problematic.

[ehrnst]

226. None were subverted by HRC. As has been shown. (nt)

[ehrnst]

133. So, why didn't Bernie say that when the agreement was reported in the Post?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democratic-party-fundraising-effort-helps-clinton-find-new-donors-too/2016/02/19/b8535cea-d68f-11e5-b195-2e29a4e13425_story.html

And Politico?


https://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/clinton-puts-tight-grip-on-dnc-wallet-119748

From August 2015:

The Clinton campaign points as a model to Al Gore’s 2000 campaign: well ahead as a front-runner himself long before he was the nominee, Gore also demanded restrictions on DNC spending out of his joint fundraising agreement until his campaign took full control.

[58Sunliner]

199. As long as we are suggesting-how about Old Towne Media?

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/07/how_bernie_spent_his_millions_was_anything_but_revolutionary.html
Jane Sanders excellent friends.

[OilemFirchen]

41. Actually, it doesn't.

What it does do, however, is provide the context Brazile "accidentally" omitted.

[virtualobserver]

45. no "context" can change the implications of the words in that document

[OilemFirchen]

54. Did you read what you just wrote?

I'm embarrassed for you.



N.b.: Actually, I'm not.

[virtualobserver]

63. The agreement gave Hillary control of hiring and strategic decisions of the DNC

....and Hillary was funding the DNC.....just as Donna Brazile said.

[OilemFirchen]

68. That was addressed quite adequately by others. I'll simply add this:

"Nothing in this agreement shall be construed to violate the DNC's obligation of impartiality and neutrality through the Nominating process. All activities performed under this agreement will be focused exclusively on preparations for the General Election and not the Democratic Primary,"

Objection laughingly overruled.

[paleotn]

123. Good god, man, will you give it a rest?!

[ehrnst]

154. There were two separate staffings - one for the primary, one for the general

Prior to September the DNC Communications Director was Mo Elleithee.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/06/politics/dnc-adds-new-communications-staff/index.html
After September it was Luis Miranda,where she says""I am grateful to DNC Chair Wasserman Schultz for asking me to serve at this historic moment as the American people prepare to elect their next president,” said Miranda.".................. "I am proud to join a DNC team that has been critical to those successes, and that is working to elect a president who will keep America moving forward.”
https://www.democrats.org/Post/dnc-chair-announces-luis-miranda-as-dnc-communications-director

And then this "“I am thrilled to announce these new members of our communications team,” said DNC Communications Director Mo Elleithee. “With their wealth of communications experience, these new members will help us aggressively take the Democratic message to a wider audience as we work to help elect the 45th President of the United States and other Democrats all across the country in 2016.”
http://www.p2016.org/parties/dnc033015pr.html

So that could be entirely true that they hired the Communications Director for the General in 2015 and had a separate primary one.

You seem to think that there is something very wrong with the Democratic leadership - which gave Bernie's campaign the Party credibility that the Green Party could never have.

[NCTraveler]

83. It was kind of funny.

And getting pretty transparent.

[joshcryer]

43. Denial.

[virtualobserver]

46. No, I can read.

[joshcryer]

48. Can you explain how a coms director only working on the General...

...has any influence on the primary?

[virtualobserver]

53. your first reading error

The communications director to be hired on Sept 11, 2015 -- which would be the communications director for the primary

any other questions?

[ismnotwasm]

56. And?

[virtualobserver]

59. It means that Hillary got to pick the DNC communications director.....

just as Donna Brazile said

[joshcryer]

64. Sanders had the same option.

Now we know why he refused to raise funds for the DNC.

[virtualobserver]

70. Bernie did not have that kind of agreement with the DNC

http://www.npr.org/2017/11/03/561976645/clinton-campaign-had-additional-signed-agreement-with-dnc-in-2015

In addition to that joint fundraising agreement the DNC reached with both campaigns, the party and the Clinton campaign struck that separate memorandum of understanding giving the campaign staffing and policy oversight.

[OilemFirchen]

75. He had the option to exercise a similar memorandum as well.

He opted not to participate.

[virtualobserver]

79. Oh, please

[OilemFirchen]

92. Since you asked so politely,

what can I do for you?

[joshcryer]

87. I said he had the option.

No where did I suggest Sanders campaign was competent, as it was rife with controversies, including stealing Clinton's voter file, among some.

[virtualobserver]

94. Bernie did not have megadonors that would allow him to fund the DNC with $353,000 donations....

to the Hillary victory fund....Bernie's donors gave $27

[joshcryer]

98. It's rather simple, you start raising money.

But he never had any intention of raising money for the DNC, as proven by history.

This despite having signed a contract that he might raise money for them.

Now we know why.

[virtualobserver]

112. whatever

[ehrnst]

211. Sounds as though you have a scenario in mind that isn't being confirmed by the evidence.

Whatever.

[ehrnst]

148. So why are you concerned with an agreement that he chose to ignore? (nt)

[virtualobserver]

173. I'm not....I'm concerned that people on this site are calling Donna Brazile a liar

when clearly she was absolutely correct.

People are smearing her.

[ehrnst]

210. Then she was terribly mistaken

Especially where she expresses there is this sinister secret reason that people were clearing everything through Hillary's campaign in July and August of 2016....

At best she was clueless about what happens once the nominee has been confirmed. As she headed up Gore's campaign in 2000, when Gore was pushing for control over party finances before he was confirmed, perhaps she got amnesia...

At worst she is lying and trying to gin up book sales with very soap-opera esque prose that implies a vast conspiracy to put Bernie in a corner.

Option two seems to be the most likely, judging by the results.

[Demsrule86]

169. Neither did Barack Obama in the beginning but he still won. Of course, President

Obama was a great candidate...in most races there is a candidate that is better known.

[ismnotwasm]

71. Where does it say that?

[virtualobserver]

73. Did you....

[ismnotwasm]

80. Never saw that movie? TV show?

You are trying very hard, and I get that, but I honestly the evidence that you are evidently seeing that back up your statements.

[virtualobserver]

85. I read the memo

It says exactly what Donna Brazile said. As head of the DNC, she could see the implications of that agreement.

When you combine Hillary's funding the DNC and controlling hiring - that is complete control - not to mention the fact that her 2008 campaign manager was DNC chair.

[lapucelle]

100. ...

[OilemFirchen]

110. You keep saying that.

The agreement—signed by Amy Dacey, the former CEO of the DNC, and Robby Mook with a copy to Marc Elias—specified that in exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised. Her campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff. The DNC also was required to consult with the campaign about all other staffing, budgeting, data, analytics, and mailings.

Where does it allow for Clinton to "control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised" (my emphasis)? And where was the DNC "required to consult with the campaign about all other... data, analytics, and mailings" during the primaries?

[virtualobserver]

114. Apparently you either haven't read the agreement or you didn't read it carefully

It is stated pretty clearly

Do I have to go through it line by line with you?

[OilemFirchen]

116. You don't have to go through fuck-all.

I've been quoting it to you. You're certainly welcome to continue avoiding the citations, but don't lay ignorance on my doorstep.

[virtualobserver]

119. you have not been quoting the agreement

you have been quoting Donna Brazile. Read the agreement.

[OilemFirchen]

121. Just stop.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9792437
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9792653

Edited to add Permalinks.

[virtualobserver]

124. I've read it....you clearly know how to link to it

You should read it.

[OilemFirchen]

125. Do you think my cat is posting these excerpts?

Cite the relevant language that backs-up Brazile's assertions in question. Or have your own pet do it.

[virtualobserver]

127. If you have read it.....and you can't see it....

why would my pointing anything out help?

[OilemFirchen]

129. Buh bye.

[ehrnst]

159. Yes, like so many right wingers still see something in Benghazi...

When Sanders supporters really should be grateful to HRC for keeping the party that Bernie needed for credibility afloat with the money that she raised.

You can't see it, so why would anyone pointing out facts to you help?

[ehrnst]

156. The Democratic Party provided Sanders with the credibility to run for POTUS

That's why he didn't go with the Green Party.

The Democratic Party gave him more than any other party could or would.

A thank you is in order.

[Demsrule86]

171. Yes line by line...because I don't see it either.

After she became the candidate...there is a different agreement.

[Eko]

60. Not necessarily

That could have been the director for the General and they had another for the primary, not really sure just pointing out what you are assuming.

[joshcryer]

61. Wrong, it explicitly states:

"All activities performed under this agreement will be focused exclusively on preparations for the General Election and not the Democratic Primary."

[virtualobserver]

66. From that moment forward Hillary funded the DNC and had control of hiring and strategic decisions

....Just as Donna Brazile said,

[ismnotwasm]

72. Where does it say that?

[Eko]

76. A little bit of interweb sloothing.

Prior to September the DNC Communications Director was Mo Elleithee.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/06/politics/dnc-adds-new-communications-staff/index.html
After September it was Luis Miranda,where she says""I am grateful to DNC Chair Wasserman Schultz for asking me to serve at this historic moment as the American people prepare to elect their next president,” said Miranda.".................. "I am proud to join a DNC team that has been critical to those successes, and that is working to elect a president who will keep America moving forward.”
https://www.democrats.org/Post/dnc-chair-announces-luis-miranda-as-dnc-communications-director

And then this "“I am thrilled to announce these new members of our communications team,” said DNC Communications Director Mo Elleithee. “With their wealth of communications experience, these new members will help us aggressively take the Democratic message to a wider audience as we work to help elect the 45th President of the United States and other Democrats all across the country in 2016.”
http://www.p2016.org/parties/dnc033015pr.html

So that could be entirely true that they hired the Communications Director for the General in 2015 and had a separate primary one.

[virtualobserver]

78. Well, no...

http://www.rollcall.com/news/policy/mo-elleithee-leaving-dnc-for-georgetown

[joshcryer]

86. Your post does not disagree with the above poster in any way.

[virtualobserver]

91. the poster suggested maybe there were two comm directors - there were not.....just one

the one that Hillary chose.

[Eko]

108. I do have to say this.

It seem Bernie Sanders signed or was offered the same agreement, the fact that he chose not to use the agreement like Clinton did because he has small donors means he thought that small donors was stronger than the agreement. His choice.

[Eko]

96. I couldnt find anything about keeping a communications

director for the primary, maybe they figured they didnt need one? There is also this,
" Specifically, the DNC agreed to hire a communications director from "one of two candidates previously identified as acceptable to HFA." And while the DNC maintained "the authority to make the final decision" on senior staff in the communications, technology and research departments, the party organization said it would choose "between candidates acceptable to HFA."

The memo stipulates the DNC had to hire a communications director by September 11, 2015, months before the first nominating contests in early 2016.

However, the memo also made clear that the arrangement pertained to only the general election, not the primary season, and it left open the possibility that it would sign similar agreements with other candidates. "

"Still, it clearly allowed the Clinton campaign to influence DNC decisions made during an active primary, even if intended for preparations later.

"Nothing in this agreement shall be construed to violate the DNC's obligation of impartiality and neutrality through the Nominating process. All activities performed under this agreement will be focused exclusively on preparations for the General Election and not the Democratic Primary," the memo states.

"Further we understand you may enter into similar agreements with other candidates," it continues.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/memo-reveals-details-hillary-clinton-dnc-deal-n817411

That seems pretty convincing.

[Hamlette]

67. Then why did Donna have to apologize to Bernie?

I give Amazon my money I expect to have a say over what they send me. How is this a cancer or rigged?

[Demsrule86]

175. She didn't ...it is bullshit for her book...she and others seem to think Sen Sanders can get them

stuff so they kiss up to him...certainly not his fault. In the coming days Ms Brazile will have to admit to the fact she either lied or was mistaken. I am sad...I liked and respected her before this.

[Demsrule86]

132. No it doesn't I posted both agreements to you earlier...the second agreement is what Donna used...

face it, a primary was had somebody won because the voters chose this person...and that's all she wrote. Move on past 16. It is over.

[virtualobserver]

137. no, here is the august 2015 agreement

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/memo-reveals-details-hillary-clinton-dnc-deal-n817411

It reads just as Donna Brazile said

[Demsrule86]

178. MSNBC and NBC have posted that there were two documents.

Hillary Clinton, in an effort to entirely turn her focus to the general election, will begin raising money for the general election and Democratic National Convention on Wednesday by filing paperwork on a new joint fundraising agreement with the Democratic Party, according to a spokesman.

The new deal will open up Clinton's general election account, which allows individuals who have already given to Clinton's primary campaign to donate another $2,700 to the campaign, according to Josh Schwerin, a Clinton spokesman. Clinton's campaign will begin soliciting donations for the account Wednesday.

The deal also allows Clinton's donors, even those who have already maxed out to other accounts, to funnel more money to the Democratic Party. According to Federal Election Commission rules, donors can now give $100,200 to the convention account and $100,200 to the DNC's headquarters account, two accounts the Clinton campaign had not raised money for before. Campaign aides see this as an urgent need, too, given that the convention in Philadelphia is only seven weeks away.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/08/politics/hillary-clinton-fundraising-dnc-democratic-national-convention/index.html

Look I get it...I was a Deaniac. It broke my heart when he did not win the nomination. Take the word of someone who has been there...let it go. Let's put our energy into defeating Trump and the evil GOP.

[virtualobserver]

181. Trashing Donna Brazile is wrong

The document that I posted was the 2015 document and it confirms what Donna Brazile said.

This attempt to smear Donna Brazile is sickening.

[OilemFirchen]

187. Trashing Donna Brazile is wrong

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9507315

Star Member virtualobserver (8,759 posts)
275. It isn't just about how effective the cheating was....

but every article that I read indicated that she forwarded MULTIPLE questions.

Plus she initially denied doing it.

Not a good way to build trust.

This attempt to smear Donna Brazile is sickening.

[virtualobserver]

196. I was speaking the truth about her, not smearing her

Now
I defend her, because I can see that she is speaking the truth

[OilemFirchen]

200. A little bedtime melody, just for you:

[Demsrule86]

134. He it is again...

Both documents...Brazille mixed them up or did it deliberately...some (not saying you) want to believe it...even though clearly it is not true

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9791150

https://deepstatenation.com/primary-error-donna-brazile-mixed-up-two-different-clinton-dnc-agreements/

[ehrnst]

161. I think you may be thinking of this:

From June 2016:

“Hillary Clinton, in an effort to entirely turn her focus to the general election, will begin raising money for the general election and Democratic National Convention on Wednesday by filing paperwork on a new joint fundraising agreement with the Democratic Party, according to a spokesman.”

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign-dnc/index.html

Is that clearer?

[virtualobserver]

164. no I was reading the actual 2015 agreement

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/memo-reveals-details-hillary-clinton-dnc-deal-n817411

[ehrnst]

165. You mean the one that says that it refers to the general election

and not the primary?

Seriously - Hillary's joint agreement kept the Democratic party that Bernie needed to run a serious campaign.

A thank you is in order to Hillary and the Democratic leadership from Bernie and his supporters.

[fleabiscuit]

202. I dont think you get it.

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BS knew there was little chance that he would get the nomination. Why would he enter into an agreement where money he might raise would just be shared with state Democrats? A career built on bashing everyone on both sides of the isle with virtually nothing of consequence accomplished is coming to an apex. A little extra scratch in a safe place might be hard to resist. And taxes never revealed. But that is just a made up story. Nothing to see here. Right?

[lapucelle]

37. The book needs to be pulled and revised.

I wonder why Wikileaks never released this document?

[StevieM]

39. CBS and ABC News repeated the false version just now. That is what people will take from this.

Most people will never hear the whole story--in other words, that the story is a fraud.

Come to think of it, that is what happened during the fake email scandal. False statements were made by Comey and nobody ever heard the corrections that came later.

[lapucelle]

44. Her publisher's legal department will be interested in the whole story.

[LenaBaby61]

77. "Most people will never hear the whole story--in other words, that the story is a fraud."

THIS ^^^

UNFORTUNATELY

[NastyRiffraff]

47. Not. The. Primary. Season.

How hard is that to understand, Donna? You can light all the candles you want for Bernie, but that memo of understanding had nothing to do with the primary, or to him.

[frazzled]

49. I KNEW that must be the case

But didn’t want to say it because I hadn’t seen the agreement.

The DNC doesn’t endorse or fund primary candidates. But once there is a nominee, it’s all hands on deck.

Shame on Donna Brazile. And shame on anyone ( including senators) who still believes the untruth that the Democratic primary was “rigged.” And shame on anybody who continues to try to ratchet up division and doubt based on lies.

[Thunderbeast]

51. To all that were sucked in to this hysteria....

Time to come out of the woodwork and admit that this was a false narrative. To save her career, Senator Warren must clarify that she did NOT have all the information needed to make her declaration of a rigged nominating process.

I am guessing that the trolls in Putin's cyber army blew this one up before anyone in the party could challenge the veracity of the narrative. Brazille owes Democrats and Hillary Clinton an apology.

[LenaBaby61]

88. To all that were sucked in to this hysteria....

I have Bernie supporter friends who were calling me yesterday, and they were LIVID, amongst other things telling me that they were MAD as hell and shouldn't have even voted for Hillary in the GE and that they shouldn't have trusted her. IF what happened was the truth, then But you know something, and I don't know why, but I told them to hold their horses because something's not quite right about this whole thing. Just wait a few days to see if this is ALL true. IF it is again, I said oh well, and a pox on Fill in the blank _______________________.



As Ricky Ricardo used to say, "Somebody's (DONNA) got some 'splainin to do."

[BannonsLiver]

104. Good thing Festivus is coming up.

They can let loose during the airing of the grievances.

[lexington filly]

55. OK. Primary not rigged. So now can we cremate

all the doings about the election that ended a year ago, the resentments, disappointments, hatefulness and put the ashes aboard the next mission to the space station, then launch it all into deep space and focus on being a united Democratic Party???
Please?

[Tarheel_Dem]

58. All this fuss just to sell a few books? What honest person would do that? Bad move Donna.

[Hamlette]

65. Warren jumped the shark on this one!

I'm in the minority I'm sure but I've never been a fan of Warren. If this is the agreement (we'll need to hear from Donna) then she put her foot in it.

[LenaBaby61]

93. Warren jumped the shark on this one!

And at the very least, stepped in it ...








LIZ

[USALiberal]

144. Wow, what is it about Warren you never liked? Too liberal? n/t

[Demsrule86]

179. She attacked the Democratic Party by jumping on the Brazile train...I am (was) a big fan...

but I won't vote for her in a primary now...naturally if somehow she made it to the election...she and any Democrat has my vote.

[David__77]

84. Caveat, or fig leaf.

The language on impartiality strikes me as a fog leaf if there was control over personnel decisions as early as 2015.

[Hekate]

90. KnRnTY

My gods.

[Starry Messenger]

95. What a disappointment some people have turned out to be.

I'm enraged and saddened.

[boston bean]

111. She chaired during the GE. She obviously has some serious issues

with Hillary.

How unfair tobhave someone so contemptible running the dnc while hillary was the nominee.

[JI7]

115. I don't think she has issues with hillary. I think she was trying to sell her book

Add something that sounds controversial and news media picks it up and her book gets mention.

[emulatorloo]

172. I don't think she has issues w HRC. I think she wanted to reinvent herself for the

"Our Revolution" set. So as to get work in the future. Or maybe she really didn't get she confused two different agreements? Dunno.

[-Steph-]

209. Honestly, when I read about all of this, I immediately started thinking back to that incident

during the primaries when it was revealed that Donna Brazile had leaked a debate question to the Clinton campaign, unsolicited. Knowing now that Brazile was in the tank for Bernie, it seems very strange to me that during the primaries she would go out of her way to leak a debate question to the Hillary campaign, when she was rooting for Bernie Sanders? Something seems extremely off about that to me. Instead of trying to help Hillary, I've now been wondering if Brazile was deliberately trying to sabotage her by doing what she did.

[Demsrule86]

180. That is how I feel.

[Amimnoch]

99. She should be ashamed of herself.

The Hillary bashing crowd that I've blocked must be out in force. There's a lot of missing post numbers in this thread!

Last post count # I saw was 95, but I'm only seeing maybe 15-20 posts here.

[lunamagica]

101. K&R. Thank you, Kpete! Shame on you, Donna Brazil

[Billsmile]

102. From the NBC Article...

"Still, it clearly allowed the Clinton campaign to influence DNC decisions made during an active primary, even if intended for preparations later."

[Bleacher Creature]

106. There's no way this wasn't intentional.

I'll give Brazile the benefit of the doubt (which she doesn't deserve) and assume that she wasn't actively trying to hurt the party, but she absolutely knew that she was stretching the truth to sell books. It's a two page document, with the key language easy to spot.

I also agree with others in this thread that she should be booted from the party, and her book needs to be pulled and either cancelled or revised, in each case at her expense.

I'm sure she'll do fine for herself in that she probably just earned a standing invitation to appear on Fox News anytime (and does anyone really believe that CNN won't still have her on?), but if she had any integrity she won't represent the party ever again.

[Dawson Leery]

109. Follow the Europeans and ban these types of people from the parties.

I hope this does not fuck up the VA Governors race.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

113. Oh those pesky facts

They're no fun

[RandomAccess]

118. I think you're overlooking something

This paragraph in your linked story:

The agreement supplemented a separate Clinton-DNC standard joint fundraising agreement, which was first reported over a year and a half ago, but gained new attention this week with Brazile’s book.

which refers to the agreement discussed in this article from Feb 2016:

Democratic Party fundraising effort helps Clinton find new donors, too
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democratic-party-fundraising-effort-helps-clinton-find-new-donors-too/2016/02/19/b8535cea-d68f-11e5-b195-2e29a4e13425_story.html
Behind the scenes at the Democratic National Committee’s summer meeting in Minneapolis last August, campaign officials for Hillary Clinton were making a hard sell to the state parties.

In private huddles, they urged state officials to sign on to an ambitious fundraising endeavor that would allow Clinton’s presidential bid, the DNC and the state parties to scoop up and share big checks from wealthy donors. It would mark the earliest creation of a joint fundraising committee between a presidential candidate and the party, and it would be the biggest ever, thanks to a 2014 U.S. Supreme Court decision that knocked down a cap on how much donors could give to federal campaigns in a single year.

A record 32 state parties signed on to the fund, allowing the committee to solicit donations 130 times greater than what a supporter can give to Clinton’s campaign for the primary.

But the states have yet to see a financial windfall. Meanwhile, Clinton’s campaign has been a major beneficiary, getting an infusion of low-dollar contributions through the committee at a time when rival Bernie Sanders’s army of small donors is helping him close in on her financially. The fund is run by Clinton campaign staff, and its treasurer is Clinton’s chief operating officer.

More at link

[Demsrule86]

183. That was just before the convention ...money was needed for the convention...

https://deepstatenation.com/primary-error-donna-brazile-mixed-up-two-different-clinton-dnc-agreements/

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/memo-reveals-details-hillary-clinton-dnc-deal-n817411

[RandomAccess]

188. Then --

why -- in fact HOW -- could the Washington Post be reporting the same thing as Brazille outlined in FEBRUARY 2016 ??

From your link:

There is absolutely nothing in the Clinton campaign’s 2015 Joint Fundraising Agreement that gave her any such “control” — not even in the draft version of that document hacked by Russian intelligence and published by WikiLeaks.

Whereas Brazile claimed that Clinton wanted to “wield control of [DNC] operations” in 2015, she never assumed any such powers until June of 2016,
https://deepstatenation.com/primary-error-donna-brazile-mixed-up-two-different-clinton-dnc-agreements/

And here's my link again, WAPO, Feb 20, 2016 -- way before your June 2016 "agreement."

That's why I said "I think you're overlooking something" (to kpete).

[lapucelle]

120. Donna negotiated Gore's joint fundraising agreement in 2000.

The Clinton campaign used that agreement to establish precedent:

"The Clinton campaign points as a model to Al Gore’s 2000 campaign: well ahead as a front-runner himself long before he was the nominee, Gore also demanded restrictions on DNC spending out of his joint fundraising agreement until his campaign took full control."

[Billsmile]

136. From Donna's Piece.

"When I was manager of Al Gore’s campaign in 2000, we started inserting our people into the DNC in June. This victory fund agreement, however, had been signed in August 2015, just four months after Hillary announced her candidacy and nearly a year before she officially had the nomination."

[lapucelle]

141. And?

Which "Clinton people" were inserted?

[Demsrule86]

184. Completely untrue. She confused the two agreements...deliberately I think.

[joshcryer]

160. Did some digging, looks like Al Gore was a major bundler / financeer for the DNC.

Which got him a lot of heat back in the late 90s early 2000s.

Seems this meme has reared its ugly head again, only this time, we have social media and a lot of conspiracies.

[highplainsdem]

122. Thanks! K&R

[Demsrule86]

131. This was out there... I posted a copy of both agrements...some just want to believe a certain thing

and will be unhappy when the truth comes out. Hillary should sue the hell out of Brazille.

[RandySF]

139. K&R

[Persondem]

150. Thank you for posting this. K & R nt

[MFM008]

153. Selling a book

I won't read.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[MrScorpio]

157. Well, whadayaknow

Mighty fine poking around there, kpete. Mighty fine.

[calimary]

158. Well, well, well.

Next question: will any news outlet cover THIS part of it, or must we always assume that only Hillary Rodham Clinton must always be exempt from the "innocent until proven guilty" fundamental of the American justice system? She alone has to face things the opposite way: "guilty until proven innocent."




FUCK!!!! LEAVE HER THE FUCK ALONE FORCRYINGOUTLOUD!!!!!!!

[emulatorloo]

162. Publishers should pull Donna's book. And sue her.

Politico should run a correction. At the top of the article.

[VOX]

170. Thanks, kpete.

Your good efforts are much appreciated.

[Satch59]

182. CNN panel on Anderson 360 debunking

Donna's claim... Toobin in particular was going over the agreement and saying this is nothing: it states the campaign has ability to "participate" in certain things, not run the DNC... Bernie signed it also but didn't give them money. The only naysayer was a Trump advocate and Toobin sarcastically said "your sympathy for Bernie warms my heart"...lol

[JHan]

194. Thank Goodness, maybe there's hope left.

[Blue_Tires]

186. I'm also waiting....

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Guilded Lilly]

190. Yo, Donna. Pfffft.

[JHan]

193. Days of ceaseless bullshit, better spent focusing on Trump

Finally we have some clarity. Smfh

[Ilsa]

195. And no one who felt glee over

Brazile's revelations will give a shit about this news, the actual truth. The whole story will get dumped, I bet, over the weekend, with the stink still on HRC instead of brazile.

[58Sunliner]

197. I hope Donna lights a candle and sheds a tear for her lost integrity.

I also hope her book tanks.

[Catch2.2]

214. BERNIE SANDERS 2020!!!!

BERNIE SANDERS 2020!!!!

[George II]

222. For what?

[Gothmog]

217. The memorandum does not back up Brazile's claims

[Progressive dog]

220. More attacks against Hillary based on lies

This time apparently to hype a book. Probably the DNC didn't pay Brazile enough so she's getting even and advertising her book.

[Nitram]

221. Is Brazile a Russian agent? WTF?

[INdemo]

227. this is all well and good but Debbie Wasserman Schultz did not

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hide her partiality towards Hillary beginning with the Iowa Caucus when she stopped the recount after 64 precincts were recounted revealed that Bernie Sanders actually won the Iowa Caucus.
However Donna Brazile should know by now that regardless of any facts true or otherwise that you can't give the fucking Republicans any thing to build their talking points on. Its like in 2004 with Kerry saying "voted for before he voted against" or Michael Dukakis with his tank photo or Gary Hart with his mistress picture...
Republican strategists are trained to tell lies,repeat those lies till the media repeats them and to build on anything the Democratic Party is feuding about..

Donna must think she can help Republicans win so as to not face higher taxes on her book contract.

Her comments serves no purpose or benefits except for Brazile's ego and book sales