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chelsea0011

(10,115 posts)
3. Shooter is being reported to have been dishonorably discharged from Air Force.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 08:14 PM
Nov 2017

Does a back ground check preclude you from getting a firearm if you have this type of discharge? Or is it not a factor. Just asking.

LuvLoogie

(6,973 posts)
6. One could be dishonorably discharged for a number of reasons.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 08:20 PM
Nov 2017

It could be hard to draw a line between a given reason and a firearms restriction.

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
7. Probably not a dishonorable...
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 08:22 PM
Nov 2017

That's what Bergdahl got...

That's pretty much a felony right there with all that entails.

He probably got an 'Other than honorable' and just got sent home...

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
12. Like I said... Maybe...Maybe not...
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 08:48 PM
Nov 2017

Last edited Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:35 AM - Edit history (1)

... but that often comes with other convictions like murder or rape or something like that.

I suspect, that it was just someone using imprecise language.

Bad conduct... Other than honorable... Administrative... etc.. Different types of discharges that can seem interchangeable to a layman.

https://themilitarywallet.com/types-of-military-discharges/

I found the quote on CBS and that is indeed what they said. I'll look later to see if it shakes out.

You've really got to fuck up to get that kind of discharge though. MTF...

Edit...looks legit...I stand kind of corrected...

Edit 2... Nope.. Right the first time...



Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
15. I've seen more than a few booted
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:35 PM
Nov 2017

With "other than honorable" because they were basically wound up WAY too tight for the military. Most large organizations have ways of weeding people out.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
8. Dishonorably discharged, has a bunch of weapons, even a ballistic vest, shows off his guns, etc.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 08:24 PM
Nov 2017

and no one asks a question about him.

Are we stupid, or what?

Igel

(35,293 posts)
13. We don't get the statistics backwards.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 09:39 PM
Nov 2017

Let's assume that Group X is responsible for nearly 50% of murder suspects according to eyewitnesses but make up a reasonably small percentage of the population.

The assumption is that this group is somehow special. It is. But the assumption carries with it a special emphasis on tracking members of that group, of suspecting that they're all bad, encouraging fear of each and every one of them.

And for many this seems reasonable. It's not. In fact, that's the actual numbers for a particular ethnic group in a Western country, and to single out every member of that group as worthy of special attention is viewed as profoundly discriminatory. Because it is. Such a view gets the stats backwards.

Given that murders aren't common, it's a very small percentage of Group X responsible for the disproportionate stats. At the individual level, the group stats say precious little about the individual and certainly doesn't merit special scrutiny.

It works for ethnic groups. It works for the usual way that we define the set of deviants that love their guns. I know lots of them. None has every so much as lifted a finger to hurt another person in the decades I've known them. This is consistent with the facts viewed accurately. Now, do some of them go and do bad things? Sure. But just as we don't like ethnic profiling because it's based on a statistically false conclusion, so we don't profile "gun humpers" because such scrutiny would also be based on a statistically false conclusion.

And, yes, some say we're stupid for opposing racial profiling. Mostly we just suck at intuitive approaches to probability and statistics. Just ask nearly anybody who's taken the class. Our intuitions tend to betray us every time.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
14. The fact they support more gunz in more places and train to shoot people is just cause.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:13 PM
Nov 2017

Most of them are racist, violent and at a minimum, just don't give a damn what their sick obsession does to society. I have no tolerance for that.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
10. Yes, a dishonorable discharge is a felony.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 08:30 PM
Nov 2017

He probably purchased the gun from an individual (individual sales do not require a background check; it's the "gun show loophole" ).

https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2010/09/dishonorable-discharge-and-nfa.html

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
4. Who? The Shooter, Who Showed Off a Photo of a Rifle on Facebook, yeah the NRA got a lot of
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 08:18 PM
Nov 2017

damage control work to be done ASAP

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