I think we should spare a thought for the former military personnel who need

[malaise]

medical attention to deal with PTSD and never get it. There was one who killed several cops and now 26 innocents are dead.
Maybe they should stop destroying young men in their illegal invasions and wars.

You don't get to ditch these young men after you use them in wars - they too need healing.

[GP6971]

1. I haven't seen his bio

other then I read somewhere here that he was Air force and was court martialed out.

Need to wait for confirmation though.

[Glorfindel]

2. Sadly, history does not bear you out, malaise.

"These young men" are disposable. Always have been, always will be. The message from the government and people of the USA?
"Good night and thank you, whoever. You've completed your task, what more could we ask of you now? Please sign the book on your way out the door, and that will be all. If we need you, we'll call. But I don't think that's likely somehow." (With apologies to lyricist Tim Rice and Lord Andrew Lloyd Weber.)

[malaise]

4. +1,000

I know

[GusBob]

3. Early reports of courts martial and dishonorable discharge

Might preclude things in this case.

In general, I agree with you tho

[malaise]

5. Didn't see that but read he was in the military

If the photo I saw was really him, he clearly is not mentally well.

[coolsandy]

7. Where did you see his photo? I haven't been able to locate one.

[eleny]

10. my google search

https://www.google.com/search?q=Devin+Kelly&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

[malaise]

12. Someone posted it on Louis' thread

Thanks

[GusBob]

9. Per CBS news/ huff post

It has been discussed in a couple of threads here.

His actual military service is unknown, nor the reason for his court martial and discharge

People are claiming a dishonorable discharge is a felony and you can't own a gun

Don't know if that is true

[malaise]

11. Wow!

Guns are easy to get

[GusBob]

15. Following the link provided above

He served at an air base in New Mexico. I don't think he saw combat so PTSD may not be an issue in this case

[malaise]

16. Yep just read that

He appears to be a gun humper with no cause.

Still there are many young men who need help.

[Lee-Lee]

22. Yes, Dishonorable Discharge is considered the same as a Federal Felony conviction

It’s one of the questions specifically asked on the 4473 and a disqualification under a NICS check.

I’m betting on straw purchase by the wife/girlfriend. We will probably know fairly soon...

[spanone]

6. ...

[Irish_Dem]

8. Bush's legacy lives on. :(

[malaise]

13. +1,000

Lots of damaged young men (and women) who are not getting medical help.

[Irish_Dem]

14. This will haunt the US for decades.

[bdamomma]

17. Mental Health is a big issue

and no one is talking about it or doing something about it. But you get these filthy repigs who want to give mentally challenged people the right to buy guns. I know both are separate issues, but mental health issues should not be swept under the rug. Oh by the way, we have dangerous case in the WH.

[mopinko]

19. brain injuries. if they addressed only that

it would alleviate a great deal of suffering.

[Nevernose]

18. The vast majority of PTSD sufferers aren't veterans

Are not military personnel, former or otherwise, and have never seen combat.

Maybe this latest guy saw way more combat than most Air Force veterans (I've got an uncle that actually saw quite a bit of close-and-personal combat in the Air Force in three different wars). Statistically the odds are low.

Totally agree that we fight a lot of illegal invasions and wars, and totally agree that we treat veterans as disposable. The implication that mass shooting is -- in any way, shape, or form -- symptomatic or related in the least to PTSD is, frankly, a little offensive.

[malaise]

20. Actually this guy didn't see any combat because he was dishonorably discharged for abusing his

wife and child.
I was not implying that mass shooting is related to PTSD - I gave two examples of recent shootings by ex-military and clearly this Kelley guy had other issues.
That said veterans do not receive the help they need.

[Lee-Lee]

21. Please quit feeding into the broken/dangerous veteran stereotype

This guy was a cargo handler in the Air Force and was kicked out because he didn’t meet standards.

He doesn’t have PTSD related to military service.

The assumption that because he was vet that must be the cause of this is offense and noting more than a harmful anti-veteran stereotype. Most vets don’t have PTSD and most who do it very rarely manifests itself as making them dangerous to others.

The media, however, immediately runs with the “he was a veteran he probably had PTSD” nonsense as soon as they lean that he served and speculation like that just feeds the fire of this nonsense and leads to more bigotry against veterans.

And the entertainment industry does it too. When is the last time you saw a major character in a movie or TV show that was a vet that wasn’t portrayed as either “broken” or crazy or super “gung-ho”? Can you name any character on a show who was just a well adjusted person who had served?

That stereotyping and bigotry is already everywhere else. We don’t need it here. It just serves to further turn people away from vets and stigmatize those who actually have PTSD.